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You don't even tolerate AI on the title even tho it is an AI produced suggestion. Do people who read the suggestion not have a right to know? I think you are worried the AI spammers will make genuine AI users ignored by the community leading to their suggestions being ignored even if they contain valuable content. However, the reality is that the suggestions we have had so far that were written by AI have all been really bad and lazy suggestions. That means those need to be handled seperately. Sure, there needs to be something to prevent spammers who clearly troll without even trying to hide what and why they are doing it. We still need to know if the suggestion has been produced by AI or a human before reading the long suggestion (which how AI generated suggestions tend to be). If you are reading a long suggestion, often times you are doing it thinking there is a human behind this who put the time and mental effort into it, cared enough about it to write it so detailed. I don't want to give up on reading long and detailed suggestions just because there are a lot of AI generated long suggestions. So, I would like to know which ones are produced by AI on the title, before I have to look at or read anything. Is that really too much to ask?
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If I could upvote this 1 million times, I would.
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Someone could have 4 really good suggestions within 1 week while staying silent for a whole year. Should that person not be able to suggest those just because AI spammers exist? It is easy to forget an idea or lose the itch to post it on the forums after 1 week.
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AI or not, the issue is the spam, no one should post more than one suggestion per week, and even that is overkill. A possible solution is to change the guidelines to allow only one suggestion per week. If someone does not comply, the rest of the forum users should report them, and they would be muted for two weeks. Period. Enough is enough. That forum section has become a garbage heap. We won't be marking the calendar just to report forum users, but if anyone blatantly ignores the guidelines repeatedly, they should be treated accordingly.
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I disagree that Ai suggestions should have their own subforum. I disagree that AI suggestions should have AI on the title. The use of auto-generated suggestions should be considered trolling. I've made my point obvious beyond question too - AI is an acceptable writing tool, they are just giving bad prompts and suggestions, or no prompts at all and its at the point where it is trolling. The use of AI to aid in writing should not be discredited, the use of AI to entirely form a prompt should be - and those should be quickly deleted as the prompts/suggestions obviously are trolling and are aware of the backlash they've received and continued to do so, thus, trolling. I am under the belief that those currently using the AI are doing so as their writing skills are not upto scratch but its really not the AI that is the issue, its the fact that the prompts they give it bare nothing but trolling or misinformation or outlandish suggestions and then they post the BS that comes out of it - whether it was AI or not they are posting BS and should be dealt with.
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Blazecraze I get that AI can be useful but it is not what has been happening so far. There's been another person who's been using AI and didn't seem like a troll (unlike Darnok) but the suggestions still looked like mindless mix and match spam. People just make it write massive wall of text for some quick basic idea they thought about for a split second and let AI dish it out. The last time I've checked, ChatGTP is not playing Wurm Online. Even if it is, it is not the one that is producing these questions. Are you agreeing with my suggestion or disagreeing with it? Do you think AI suggestions shouldn't be required to have AI on the title? Do you think AI suggestions shouldn't have their own subforum but continue to be posted on the suggestions subforum?
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You responding to me asking for the second time whether you use AI or not to generate these wall of texts after not responding to it the 1st time even tho you answered to it by quoting it, completely ignoring the AI part.
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[09:04:20] The items silently disappear from the spirit cottage. You expect them to reach Baalder in less than ten minutes. Thank you for your business. They are in your box now enjoy. -
Where did this idea of AI come from? English is not my first language, so I use Google translate and try to write briefly and maybe not very descriptive, because quality of translation is a big problem. 1. Like so they don't have to create mines near my deed? 2. I guess it's interesting in PvP, but in PvE stealth is rather irrelevant at the moment.
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yeah they are quite the glass cannons, if you give them and oportunity time can wreck you, but are relativly easy dispatched.
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I'll say that hellhounds are less dangerous than trolls. Hellhounds can do damage to you easily, but they can't take alot of damage when it's given to them as well. For a newer player, definitely try to run away and get in shelter or close enough to a guard tower that you can call the tower guards to help.
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+1 yeah, considering they are the strongest creature, always made no sense to me that they only give cohineal like regular scorps. from hell creatures also horses don't give coal which was always immersion break for me, but since they can be bread i guess they fear people will farm 100ql coal with ease + the hide
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They never gave coal
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I can see that, though use of AI to help write something isn't inherently bad and I honestly don't think that its the angle you should be coming at. If the correct prompt is given, Ai can write a perfectly capable and acceptable suggestion. The issue is with the prompt itself - I think we should be focusing on the core issues here; 1. There is an insane amount of spam going on. 2. The proposed changes to systems reference mechanics that the suggester doesn't understand even on a basic level. 3. The suggested changes don't fit within the games theme or play style. 4. Said player is aware of what they are doing and are even suggesting systems now that we are aware would upset themselves, meaning they are suggesting things for either the sake of starting arguments or spamming - i.e trolling.
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If you butcher them, they don´t give coal? Thought they did...
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I put a lot of thought into my reply this is my own words, probably idk I didn't take time to read it
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An AI generated suggestions sub forum would be the woodscraps without the name. It is worse than woodscraps because woodscraps actually has something to offer. If people think AI generated suggestions are amazing and it is the new cool thing, they can then go spend time on that subforum. I don't want AI generated spam to overtake suggestions sub-forum.
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The problem is they can keep AI spamming for them while people who actually thought out every detail and write it all down themselves get their suggestions shoved behind the AI suggestion spam.
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Being AI is the least of it all, if he wants an AI to word his stuff to aid in his inability to articulate himself thats fine by me. Like my post above said, the issue is that he doesn't even have a clue on what he is proposing changes in almost all of his posts. I am fine with someone incapable of writing a digestible post prompting AI to word it for them, the issue here is that even the prompt being used to generate the text is clearly vacant of thought, experience and being made with no regard for the system its proposing changes to.
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He pretty much said it is AI.
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At this point in time I don't even know if its AI, its mainly the approach or number of suggestions aren't even the egregious part of this spam - its the clear lack of understanding of inherent and easily digestible game systems that keep having out of pocket and ridiculous suggestions made to them. Out of the last handful of suggestions, the players in question have even suggested features literally promoted in roadmaps or update posts. Its literally spam and trolling. Thats all it is. Staff refusing to punish this player or at least banish the posts to woodscraps is now my actual major concern with this issue. A suggestion to a game mechanic that doesnt even exist or even function in the way the suggestion proposes isn't a suggestion.
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He is letting the AI generate these so don't even bother reading them. His short suggestions are very likely to be manually written by him but the long wall of texts are all AI generated. He is spamming the forum with his AI generated suggestions by the press of the button while expecting and hoping for people to read all of it and argue about it for days. It is peak trolling.
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My experience, you mileage may vary... Hellhounds are dangerous, but for the players who haven't encountered them yet... if they can remember this: they are slower that Trolls and other mobs, so you can lead them to guardtowers and have the guards dispatch them (or you can simply outrun them), once you get acquainted with hellhounds they are irritating but manageable. Because they are slow you can lead them away from where your working/living and leave them behind while you return to your place.
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This suggestion is very simple. I don't think AI generated suggestions should be allowed on the forums. They are always detached from the game itself and the playerbase. It has always been a massive long text with bad ideas. There has been two frequent AI generated suggestion posters and neither of them ever got positive feedback for their AI generated suggestions. If AI generated suggestions are going to be allowed, there should be a seperate sub-forum for them so people who don't even want to see AI generated nonsense from lazy suggestion spammers don't have to ever see them or get manually thought and written suggestions overshadowed by the AI generated suggestion spam. At the very least, the person should have to point out the suggestion is AI generated on the title. For example, they could write AI - New animals on the title letting the reader know that the suggestion is AI generated when they are making a suggestion about new animals. This is a temporary quick solution so I hope the AI generated suggestions are seperated to another sub forum so they don't keep overriding the actual suggestions with their spam.
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I am sorry Darnok but this is the most ridiculous one you've come up with mate, its glaringly obvious you don't play this damn game. How can someone that cried over some ###### marble veins be so happy to "Field, tree, bush or animal, it is turned into a shadow, a dark tree or dark animal, which also disappears after eclipse ends." Why would people want all of their veins they are busting to just fill up suddenly? Do you even understand what the hell stealth is in this game? Or how there is no movement restrictions on the armour you've mentioned? Please for the love of god staff this is getting ###### ridiculous at this point.
