Creature ai and email management

[Audrel 2,223]

This wasn't an April Fools joke. An April Fools joke would have been something cosmetic, like changing everyone over to chickens for the day.

This was just another horrible implementation not thought out.

 

No no, not at all! Just grind FS, pay a couple silver for a weapon, a couple silver for armor, a couple silver for barding, buy a couple more animals to have in reserve, and buy a couple more templars and never expect a guard to get there in time to help. I think it was well thought out. You can take legal enclosures going away the bank too.

 

Becoming less of a fool all the time.

[Evening 2,302]

Just witnessed some trolls bashing a fence on a friend's deed and killing his hitched bisons; if this is an April Fool's joke, is a very bad one, and those who developed it have a lot of bats in their belfry.

 

 

I understand how this update pisses off a lot of people, on the forums at least. The annoyed people are always more vocal.

My personal opinion is that the freedom servers are too easy, there is NO DANGER at all, no incentive to pay attention to anything, and it's the reason I keep quitting wurm for months on end.

 

There is always plenty of space on Epic, where everything is more challenging, if you don't like Freedom servers. People who play on Freedom play here for safety, not for harassment, being it from players or from developers.

 

For some weird reason, seems like Rolf slept on the wrong side lately and wants to turn Freedom into a kind of DvP - developers against players. Guards are moving slower than an 80 y/o man with a walking stick, you can find an aggro mob every two tiles or so, and now bisons, cows and pretty much any other peaceful animals are sentenced to extinction. If you don't own a huge plot of land to breed dozens of bisons, soon you will have to hitch villagers or whatever to your wagon, or just stop using it (not to mention how hard is to ride a wagon and engage in combat anyway, since you can't see anything behind you).

 

And what about new players, as someone stated earlier? They cannot fight to protect their animals, they had a hard time finding some hitching animals and before (steppe isn't the most friendly place a new'ish player could walk on), most of them are not even sure they want to play the game and are only giving it a try, no way for them to have enough silver to buy some bred 5speed bisons (and surely won't buy silver from shop for some - already dead - animals).

 

Just a suggestion .. make sure your developers are sober and they didn't eat/smoke any 'shrooms before allowing them to .. uhm .. develop anything.

[KunAlt 844]

How many pages of people complaining about this unfortunate update did you ned to revert it?

 

I mean, did you people in charege read this forums time to time? or even care about the concerns of your customers?

 

Couple of hours ago, a poor soul loged on to find that 2 trolls bashed their way into his deed and obliterated his herd, Cows, Bulls, calfs that he was carefully breeding all is gone now.

 

Did I need not only hire Templars, but also some Chinese ciber slave to guard my deed 24/7 while I can´t be on game. WOW have gold farmers, we gona  have housekeepers lol.

[Trepper 78]

Just in case you all forgot:

 

 

 

 

WURM IS A SURVIVAL GAME.

 

I refuse to believe that all "PvE" players want the game to be as easy as possible. You already have it easy unless you're going into the wilderness without nothing at all and on your own. Some people consider that fun too.

 

It makes good sense that carnivores would hunt animals. If the team feels confident that the server can now handle that extra level of simulation, then sure why not. It means we might actually see some predators that are not permanently "starving".

Yep and when all the easy to kill cows and dogs and sheep ectera are gone (like most areas in wurm) then they start attacking each other for food.  If we followed you logic we would find each area dominated by one preditor typs and dead mobs all over the place no wait they would be eaten so no dead bodys from the kills either.  SInce peredators spawn in larger numbers then pray (also unreal).  THIS WURM logic has no place...........if it did we could lower our sails instead of docking our ship with its dails up hopeing a small anchor would hold it in place and each time you beached your ship you would have to repair all the damage and .....want me to go on to all the things in wurm tht arnt like the real world.  PVE worm is a SAND BOX GAME where players work hard to change the world in to their idea of a awsome home and make friends.  PvP is a Survival Game...........

[mrfusion 21]

Yeah, our deed is a smaller subset of tiles that are fenced in.  Mobs spawned in the non-deed tiles sometimes.  We would just kill them off in good time, increase our FS a bit, and Wurm life went on.  We became accustomed to this life because this was the way of the world.  Or so we thought. 

 

We never paid for a Templar (too expensive)

We never bothered fencing in the 'exact' border of our deed.  Why would we?  We imagined expanding someday, so perhaps our large fenced in area would eventually be all deed tiles.  Maybe, maybe not.  So many variables.  Nearby deeds.  Nearby structures.  A neighbor reappeared after 5 months of being idle and reclaimed his area.  So we were content with our area.  Expansion at this point would mean disbanding to move the token.  (Crazy idiotic logic...why must we pay so much?)  

But all that aside, I was working on a Knarr, the wife tending the fields and the animals.

One day, we log on.  I drag myself out of virtual bed and head to the wagon outside my house.  I embark as the driver. Why won't my wagon move? I look down.  There are dead bison all around me.  The horror! 

Much ranting in Freedom and CA HELP ensued.

Standard responses from standard people, obviously either unaffected by the change, or simply mind-###### by previous screw-overs similar to this one.

The wife and I say that it must be an April fools joke.

She lost all her cows.  They took a long time to acquire and breed, without spending any silver I might add.  

We realize this is just a small aspect to the game overall, but she spends most of her time either farming or doing Animal Husbandry stuff.

 

I would just like to state that this was the first time that a ninja-patch on Wurm has severely affected our game play.   We've heard other people whine and complain over the last 6 months about different things, and how Wurm has 'always been doing stupid things like XYZ.'    But this is the first time that really burned us.....

 

Again, if this is an April Fools joke, then congratulations, it looked extremely convincing.  But just knowing a few things about database and how clients interact with servers, i doubt very much if I could pick up the corpse of a 'fake dead' bison.  So congrats.  You might've lost yet more customers.....customers that would have probably been content paying your 60% higher subscription fees for at least a few more years.

[NeeNee 855]

I can't believe all these stories about trolls bashing to get at cattle. It's been ONE day and people have lost this many animals. One day and we lose all our work. I raise cows to make better QL meals (cheese) and raise my AH skill and some troll is going to eat the calves that take over a week to be born? Maybe I can get my Australian neighbor to petsit my cows while she is on, and vice versa. *sarcasm*

 

I'd better update my deed auction to mention that the animals are not guaranteed because there could be a troll right now, making BBQ. This is out of control. The only bit of reprieve is that I transported some pigs and chickens and they survived. So far, those animals are safe. Until tomorrow maybe, when they bring in foxes.

Edited April 2, 2014 by NeeNee

[Revelation 288]

I like how people are labeling wurm according to what they think it should be and then kicking up a stink because they pay a few euros and expect the Dev to give up what his vision is.

To the people who worked for their animals and stuff... sorry I guess, better luck next time, don't settle near trolls.

 

So whoever was going on about 2s here 2 s there for barding and guards and extra animals, why not get the skills to do it yourself if you're so fed up spending money on this and that? Nobody's forcing you to even have any animals.

 

/edit: Either move out of troll country or bash the spawn.

Edited April 2, 2014 by Revelation

[NeeNee 855]

Troll spawners move, so we can't predict where they might show up. "We can't stop here; this is troll country."

[KunAlt 844]

I like how people are labeling wurm according to what they think it should be and then kicking up a stink because they pay a few euros and expect the Dev to give up what his vision is.

To the people who worked for their animals and stuff... sorry I guess, better luck next time, don't settle near trolls.

 

So whoever was going on about 2s here 2 s there for barding and guards and extra animals, why not get the skills to do it yourself if you're so fed up spending money on this and that? Nobody's forcing you to even have any animals.

 

/edit: Either move out of troll country or bash the spawn.

 

Did you know that trolls don´t need a Troll Mound to spawn rigth?

 

Did you know that trools can spawn on deed caves rigth?

 

Maybe you did´t know that trolls have a chance to spawn anywhere, even on deed tiles?

 

Did you play this game?

 

I have 75 FS, and a nice gear, enough to confront most wurm critters on my own, sadly I have the disvantage of being a simple human being and can´t remain logged in game 24/7, I have to eat, sleep, work, take baths(along with some others activities that take place on the same room, like shave, look at my reflection in the mirror, etc.), walk the dog, watch porn, etc, etc.

[Audrel 2,223]

No, they are not forcing me to have them. Seems they are going to force me to not have them. Maybe you missed the point about the silvers, eh? The point is, these nerfs seem to be designed to send you to the store to buy silvers to spend on things that used to be very good and are now useless. Bison were up to 4s before this. How much now? 10s? Bankrolled. That's the point. It has nothing at all to do with trolls. It has to do with people logged in to dead animals with no warning that they needed to better protect them. They may or may not have bought them. They may or may not buy more. That's beside the point. The point is they lost time and/or money over a ninja nerf.

[ScarfaceRo 79]

There is always plenty of space on Epic, where everything is more challenging, if you don't like Freedom servers. People who play on Freedom play here for safety, not for harassment, being it from players or from developers.

I don't like PVP, but I don't like carebears amd thing handled on a silver plate either. I like a bit more realism, an extra challenge. At the end of the day this is marketed as a surviving game, not another minecraft or farmville.

One just has to adapt and play smarter. About your case of troll bashing fence, entering deed and killing livestock - it could have been easily prevented following two easy steps:

- build your fences one tile inside the deed, not on deed edge or even on perimeter - this gives time to templar(s) to attack intruders before they start to do damage

- hire one more templar; one templar will not kill a troll, but two will - 1s per month is really not a fortune

Also, when travelling, either skill up FS and gear up a bit or stick with the known / safe roads which are all covered by guard towers.

PVE stands for player vs hostile environment not for player against nothing... survival of the fittest.

[Revelation 288]

Bison were up to 4s before this. How much now? 10s? 

 

Son someone is playig silly buggers with your silvers, Bison are free.

[Audrel 2,223]

Son someone is playig silly buggers with your silvers, Bison are free.

 

Really? Guess you are missing out an a huge opportunity then.

http://forum.wurmonline.com/index.php?/topic/81983-release-linkoping-market-horses-bisons-5-speed-weapons-tools-chain-armor-50-80-jewelry-50-enchanted-items/

 

Have a read.

[Revelation 288]

Really? Guess you are missing out an a huge opportunity then.

http://forum.wurmonline.com/index.php?/topic/81983-release-linkoping-market-horses-bisons-5-speed-weapons-tools-chain-armor-50-80-jewelry-50-enchanted-items/

 

Have a read.

Ah, well bred bison are a different story, although I think 4s is ridiculous beyond belief xD

 

Guess people will have to use slightly slower and much cheaper/free animals to do their heavy lifting.

[Audrel 2,223]

Ah, well bred bison are a different story, although I think 4s is ridiculous beyond belief xD

 

Guess people will have to use slightly slower and much cheaper/free animals to do their heavy lifting.

 

There won't be free ones. They are lunch. Remember? And yes it is. I have only bred 3 speeds and too slow to replace if all 4 of mine get whacked.

[Rhiannone 55]

There won't be free ones. They are lunch. Remember? And yes it is. I have only bred 3 speeds and too slow to replace if all 4 of mine get whacked.

Indeed, if you happen to somehow find a wild bison, better grab it! He/she won't last long. I know in rl, you would find bison in herds so it wouldn't be a big deal. But here, we only use the rl aspects that seem fun, like having carnivorous animals kill grazers. So, in rl, a wolf would come upon a herd of deer and yes the wolf would attack and prob kill/eat a dear. In wurm, the same thing happens now (so that it is more realistic) except there is only one deer, not 50! Its called half brained thoughts to " improvement  that wasn't requested". To prevent future tweaks like this, be sure to make the dumbest suggestions you have in forums, that way you can be sure they will not happen! As, it seems that popular suggestions are ignored and stuff noone ever brought up is suddenly implemented over night.

[Kadore 926]

PVE stands for Player VS Environment not for Players Without Dangers.

 

PVE should not be easy. FFS this IS A SURVIVING GAME.

 

I am yet to die in this frigging game. Why? Because I played smart - I chosen my targets wise, I remembered to travel lightly so I can out run mobs, I remembered to never get on low than 50% hp. I also scouted the area to know where the closest tower or templar is. I hired a templar on my little deed and I also built a guard tower. I keep my horses on deed in a double fenced pen (because you know ###### happens) - and those pens are not on deed edge so if a troll gets in he will be attacked by templar before he bashes my fences.

 

Just don't expect to can go and afk or leave your cart in the middle of nowhere, near aggressive animals and don't worry about it. Just don't expect to have impenetrable deeds where noone will ever get in and where you never have to repair anything. Stop asking everything to be handed to you on a silver platter and actually learn to play the game smart and to prove that you are the fittest if you want to survive.

 

One again - great change. Totally support it!

How am I to be offline and prevent bad things from happening to my deed and animals, you seem to have a ###### answer for everthing, please enlighten me.

[Deathangel 427]

Did some reading

Solution: keep the new feature but remove horses and bison from "prey" category. This or prevent the feature ondeed or if the "prey" is hitched.

Don't think I've had any of these problems personally though, lol. Lots of walls between the wild and my horses.

[Rhiannone 55]

How am I to be offline and prevent bad things from happening to my deed and animals, you seem to have a ###### answer for everthing, please enlighten me.

oh, gl with that! Seems noone cares really, the only answer is be here 24/7 guarding them. Don't tell me you have a life, job, kids..need to eat sleep..etc.

[Deathangel 427]

Like My post above if you agree

[Rhiannone 55]

Did some reading

Solution: keep the new feature but remove horses and bison from "prey" category. This or prevent the feature ondeed or if the "prey" is hitched.

Don't think I've had any of these problems personally though, lol. Lots of walls between the wild and my horses.

Yes this is true but what about tomorrows ninja update? hm? You just never know! Goal: nothing is ever safe from anything anyone Score: 90/100. Keep going dev team, you are getting there!

[ScarfaceRo 79]

How am I to be offline and prevent bad things from happening to my deed and animals, you seem to have a ###### answer for everthing, please enlighten me.

Have two hired templars; should be enough to kill any mob maybe except champ trolls

Keep animals on deed and have the pens not on deed's edge, so templars have time to catch any intruders.

Eventually, if possible, have more than onr line of defense; use long houses instead of walls - learn a bit from how pbpers build their deeds.

Edited April 2, 2014 by ScarfaceRo

[Rhiannone 55]

Have two hired templars; should be enough to kill any mob maybe except champ trolls

Keep animals on deed and have the pens not on deed's edge, so templars have time to catch any intruders.

Eventually, if possible, have more than onr line of defense; use long houses instead of walls - learn a bit from how pbpers build their deeds.

Um, k gl getting around off deed, or wait are you one of those who already sit on deed? Not to even mention your typos, this post is just down right pointless.

[Kadore 926]

Have two hired templars; should be enough to kill any mob maybe except champ trolls

Keep animals on deed and have the pens not on deed's edge, so templars have time to catch any intruders.

Eventually, if possible, have more than onr line of defense; use long houses instead of walls - learn a bit from how pbpers build their deeds.

So more work, we have pens a deed guard, I'm not sure if you have a clue what a few trolls on a deed can do to fences.

 

I've played pvp at times and have a clue how to build deeds, if the answer is more work as it always seems to be to make the game satisfy those with a sense of survival but need their hand held to achieve such survival in an open sandbox environment I find a major flaw with this line of thinking.

 

Mob's too easy to kill, use lower quality armor and weapons, take on more creatures than you can handle, stop adding ###### gimmicks to punish players for those that want either an E job or a need to make everyone conform to some pipe dream of a true survival game that hasn't really ever worked to this point.

 

Creatures mining in caves anyone?

[Rhiannone 55]

So more work, we have pens a deed guard, I'm not sure if you have a clue what a few trolls on a deed can do to fences.

 

I've played pvp at times and have a clue how to build deeds, if the answer is more work as it always seems to be to make the game satisfy those with a sense of survival but need their hand held to achieve such survival in an open sandbox environment I find a major flaw with this line of thinking.

 

Mob's too easy to kill, use lower quality armor and weapons, take on more creatures than you can handle, stop adding ###### gimmicks to punish players for those that want either an E job or a need to make everyone conform to some pipe dream of a true survival game that hasn't really ever worked to this point.

 

Creatures mining in caves anyone?

This update with carnivorous creatures attacking domestic creatures has absolutly nothing to do with deeds. Its a matter of general survival OFF DEED. Don't let trolls and ill informed people confuse and irritate you.