Posted February 18, 2014 Breeders could castrate so people could not replicate traits, bloodlines, or names. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 18, 2014 I don't see reason to not let them? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 18, 2014 Im a breeder and this is not something i personally am worried about slaughtering would about the same Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 18, 2014 as some have voiced, it could also be used for population control Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 18, 2014 But what population control? Animals don't breed on their own. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 18, 2014 Ability to Castrate players Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 18, 2014 as some have voiced, it could also be used for population control Roll tide, Im thinking more along the lines of I spend a few months breeding and getting bloodlines right, good names, and then sell the horses. Nothing really prevents someone from buying 4 nice horses and starting a nice breeding farm. If people sold castrated animals it would force people to buy new horses more often or force someone to work AH to get primo horses. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 18, 2014 Roll tide, Im thinking more along the lines of I spend a few months breeding and getting bloodlines right, good names, and then sell the horses. Nothing really prevents someone from buying 4 nice horses and starting a nice breeding farm. If people sold castrated animals it would force people to buy new horses more often or force someone to work AH to get primo horses. 100% incorrect here.......Want to know why? 1 breeder is going to sell un-castrated animals to sell his, so people don't buy from the other guy........The entire point of this has just been thrown out the window. Wouldn't help in any cases at all, so gonna say. -1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 18, 2014 100% incorrect here.......Want to know why? 1 breeder is going to sell un-castrated animals to sell his, so people don't buy from the other guy........The entire point of this has just been thrown out the window. Wouldn't help in any cases at all, so gonna say. -1Would like to have the option at least. I think most breeders would rather make more money in the long run. Sure, un-castrated animals will be sold but it still would be useful. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 18, 2014 Would like to have the option at least. I think most breeders would rather make more money in the long run. Sure, un-castrated animals will be sold but it still would be useful. It won't hurt to put it in by any means, but with everyone already have 5/7 traited horses, I don't really see it "helping" the market for breeders at all, To many already out there, and to many breeders wouldn't castrate them.......Just because nobody would then buy em. >_< Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 19, 2014 I think selling castrated animals in order to reduce players abilities to start there own breeding options would affect choas and epic servers more than freedom. Th reason for this being that horses die a lot more on pvp servers and are therefore in more demand. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 19, 2014 Breeders could castrate so people could not replicate traits, bloodlines, or names. -1, all you really want is to try and control the animal market and drive up prices. Your initial statement is full of holes. All traits can be duplicated by anyone with sufficient skill to breed that many traits, bloodlines mean nothing beyond the inbreeding limitation, and the names come from a database of names so any name you see could be duplicated at random at any time. Admit it, you just want to be able to make more from selling them. If such a stupid idea ever gets implemented, I will be the one of the first to start offering breedable horses to counter yours. And all my horses have 9 traits, all the 5 speed traits, and no bad traits. Want to bet who would be selling more? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 19, 2014 (edited) Never saw any problems to having gelding or the like available ingame, and it can go beyond horses... the more difficult to breed animals do benefit from certain traits. Edited February 19, 2014 by Klaa Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 19, 2014 -1, all you really want is to try and control the animal market and drive up prices. Your initial statement is full of holes. All traits can be duplicated by anyone with sufficient skill to breed that many traits, bloodlines mean nothing beyond the inbreeding limitation, and the names come from a database of names so any name you see could be duplicated at random at any time. Admit it, you just want to be able to make more from selling them. If such a stupid idea ever gets implemented, I will be the one of the first to start offering breedable horses to counter yours. And all my horses have 9 traits, all the 5 speed traits, and no bad traits. Want to bet who would be selling more? never said i was a breeder, calm down... i came to offer a suggestion Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 19, 2014 (edited) Why? Seems problamatic to me. Would make it a hell of a lot easier for horse breeders to monopolize the industry. The 5-speed pure breed horses that they sell could be made infertile, so whenever a new guy wants to start a horse farm, he has to breed them to good traits from scratch from wild broken horses, which can take several months. Edited February 19, 2014 by Ganken Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 19, 2014 (edited) I'm not a horse breeder but I think this is a good idea. It wont mean much for the servers that are already saturated but it would be great for future servers. Take Celebration for example, when the first person managed to get 5 speed horses through months of breeding finally, I needed a bunch of them. I only bought 4 because we just made our own from there. His months of work to get them up, and his end profit is the sale of 4 horses. Alternatively, with my Blacksmithing for example I've sold my services to the same people many many times. Then other people bought them, and started undercutting him without putting in the months of effort and time to get them up to that point. It's sort of like saying because someone bought a 90ql pickaxe, they should be able to have an unlimited number of them now and be able to sell them if they want. Edited February 19, 2014 by Niclamus Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 19, 2014 I think selling castrated animals in order to reduce players abilities to start there own breeding options would affect choas and epic servers more than freedom. Th reason for this being that horses die a lot more on pvp servers and are therefore in more demand. Idea: Ability to take horses across servers. Home servers have tons of towns that could sell some of their horse stock to elevation if elevation runs low. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 19, 2014 (edited) never said i was a breeder, calm down... i came to offer a suggestion Well, your later responses make it clear you think this will help with selling horses: Roll tide, Im thinking more along the lines of I spend a few months breeding and getting bloodlines right, good names, and then sell the horses. Nothing really prevents someone from buying 4 nice horses and starting a nice breeding farm. If people sold castrated animals it would force people to buy new horses more often or force someone to work AH to get primo horses. And I never calm down when someone wants a change that forces others to buy from them or start over from scratch. On the Freedom cluster most horses are bred, not spawned in the wild, and it would put an undue hardship on new players if they could not buy or trade for breedable horses to get a start. You may think it was just a suggestion, but every one that is agreeing sees money in it for themselves. I am a contrary, I have more than enough skill in AH (88.77) but I have seldom sold any horses, and sometimes give them away. I don't care if horses never have much monetary value. And I'm not the only one with that attitude. Those of you who see a new market with this idea had better accept that there are others like me who will ruin your market plans. Edited February 19, 2014 by Vroomfondel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 19, 2014 Idea: Ability to take horses across servers. Home servers have tons of towns that could sell some of their horse stock to elevation if elevation runs low. This can't happen, animals are set to not be allowed to cross server borders for a reason. Reasoning being that it can easily tip the scales on one server of having too many animals so no spawns, and another having crazy amounts of spawns. There honestly isn't any good reason for adding this. If someone wants to start their own breeding program after buying a couple of 4-speeds then let them. You shouldn't be trying to force people to continually pay for new Horses. And as was said earlier, why would any Horse breeder even use this? Breeder A castrates his Horses while Breeder B does not, both sell for the same price, guess which Breeder I will go with in a heartbeat? Just very unneeded. -1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 19, 2014 This can't happen, animals are set to not be allowed to cross server borders for a reason. Reasoning being that it can easily tip the scales on one server of having too many animals so no spawns, and another having crazy amounts of spawns. There honestly isn't any good reason for adding this. If someone wants to start their own breeding program after buying a couple of 4-speeds then let them. You shouldn't be trying to force people to continually pay for new Horses. And as was said earlier, why would any Horse breeder even use this? Breeder A castrates his Horses while Breeder B does not, both sell for the same price, guess which Breeder I will go with in a heartbeat? Just very unneeded. -1 Personally I would buy from the closer person. Well, your later responses make it clear you think this will help with selling horses: And I never calm down when someone wants a change that forces others to buy from them or start over from scratch. On the Freedom cluster most horses are bred, not spawned in the wild, and it would put an undue hardship on new players if they could not buy or trade for breedable horses to get a start. You may think it was just a suggestion, but every one that is agreeing sees money in it for themselves. I am a contrary, I have more than enough skill in AH (88.77) but I have seldom sold any horses, and sometimes give them away. I don't care if horses never have much monetary value. And I'm not the only one with that attitude. Those of you who see a new market with this idea had better accept that there are others like me who will ruin your market plans. Horses not spawned in the wild.. do you get out much? I see them often.. Undue hardship bc they cant breed a horse? What about the fact they cant ride till 21 bc, is that an undue hardship? Maybe there should be a cow and rope spawner at starter towns... I love your last sentence. Sorry dont think you have the absolute power to ruin anything... Did you cry a little when they put restrictions on enlightenment? Any other trade skill will bring in much more money than selling horses. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 19, 2014 (edited) I did word that poorly, I meant to say that most horses are now bred, and not many spawn in the wild. As to 21 BC to ride a horse, that is a game rule and not an attempt to control a market, so not something to call an undue hardship. It is part of the inducements to pay for prem to enjoy the full features of the game. As to enlightenment, I was always against it, never used it myself and very seldom ever helped someone else by enlightening them. I know all the other trades make more money than selling horses, I'm at 90 skill in several of those trades and over 80 in the others. I can make anything you want. And while I alone could not have the power to ruin a market, like I said I'm not the only one who would undermine this change. Edited February 19, 2014 by Vroomfondel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 19, 2014 Ability to Castrate animals Only if it comes with animations! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
