Posted July 4, 2013 (edited) Rolf has said that its intended to be able to play as an "outlaw" on a home server, the only issue with the system is the fact that you cant fight back without losing rep under the current system if you are hunted, and that you cant loot people who attack you and you kill, while they can repeatedly attack you with no penalty. How about this: Make it that if players want to be able to break rules whenever they want to, they could choose to become an "Outlaw". However, when a player is an outlaw, anyone can attack the player. Maybe a player could drop the "outlaw" title if the player doesn't commit a crime for a week. There should be things to prevent outlaws from living on deeds. (The idea is that a king would never let a criminal have a deed of ownership for some of his lands) EDIT: I just came up with a way to prevent outlaws from living on deeds. All deed guards could automatically attack outlaws. If a deed has no guards, then people can bash in to kill them easily, because bashing into a deed without gaurds could give no rep hit. They will still become "destroyers" for a certain amount of time, but this would be no different than if the outlaws were hiding inside a writed building or a fenced in area. Maybe instead of spawning in starter deeds, outlaws could spawn at a random location on the server, kindof like the path of insanity teleport ability. If oulaws exploit the system by having a cave enterance inside a deed with templars while living off deed, make it a bannable offence. Randomly going BL is a terrible idea, as pushing your rep to the limit can be as simple as stealing 3-4 items from a house. Lower the rep hit for stealing then, or remove it entirely. Maybe their could be a new "thief" state. Edited July 4, 2013 by Sir Arowhun 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 4, 2013 Actually stealing 3-4 items from a house doesn't make you BL, it would make you an outlaw. -200 rep is needed for auto-BL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 5, 2013 Just remove the reputation system - make it so there are no penalties to attack other people. That way, someone messes with your stuff, you murder them - problem solved. +1 If someone commits a crime against their kingdom, its the duty of Marshal to punish them, revenge is also a good choice - lots of political and social roleplaying possibilities. Why should system decide who should be punished and for how long? There are deed guards to attack any non-citizen who tries to steal or break something. Kingdom guards attack enemies from other kingdoms. Someone is griefing you? Make friends and defend your property and your life without any artificial reputation restrictions. Or hire pvp mercenaries to cut their heads off. A good bounty system - that's what needed on pvp servers. Pay with silver for heads of other players. Problem of players having characters in several kingdom solved. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 5, 2013 +1If someone commits a crime against their kingdom, its the duty of Marshal to punish them, revenge is also a good choice - lots of political and social roleplaying possibilities. Why should system decide who should be punished and for how long? There are deed guards to attack any non-citizen who tries to steal or break something. Kingdom guards attack enemies from other kingdoms.Someone is griefing you? Make friends and defend your property and your life without any artificial reputation restrictions. Or hire pvp mercenaries to cut their heads off.A good bounty system - that's what needed on pvp servers. Pay with silver for heads of other players.Problem of players having characters in several kingdom solved.That solves nothing yer so you kill the griefer but all they have to do is respawn at there deed or starter town and there back at it again Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 5, 2013 (edited) That solves nothing yer so you kill the griefer but all they have to do is respawn at there deed or starter town and there back at it again You want to solve people attacking your property on PVP server? You want pvp to be convinient for you, so you could enter pvp when and where you want? I thinks there is a PVE server for this. If someone wants to kill you each and every day, destroy and pillage your property - its their right to do so, and its your job to defend yourself either by hiring someone, or by calling for help from friends, or by hiring deed guards to kill trespassers on your property. That is not griefing, that is free pvp. People come to pvp server for this exact gameplay - to wage war and fight against ohers. Why create another pve server from pvp, with peaceful farmers on it? Edited July 5, 2013 by Ulfhrafn Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 5, 2013 (edited) You want to solve people attacking your property on PVP server? You want pvp to be convinient for you, so you could enter pvp when and where you want? I thinks there is a PVE server for this.If someone wants to kill you each and every day, destroy and pillage your property - its their right to do so, and its your job to defend yourself either by hiring someone, or by calling for help from friends, or by hiring deed guards to kill trespassers on your property. That is not griefing, that is free pvp. People come to pvp server for this exact gameplay - to wage war and fight against ohers.Why create another pve server from pvp, with peaceful farmers on it?No I feel that pvp should be kingdom vs kingdom and wouldn't have a problem if they were using a bl or mr account not people using same kingdom alts on home server because its easier. Edited July 5, 2013 by godcomplex Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 5, 2013 No I feel that pvp should be kingdom vs kingdom and wouldn't have a problem if they were using a bl or mr account not people using same kingdom alts on home server because its easier. Oh I see, you want pvp to be kingdom VS kingdom ONLY well in this case there is a more simple way to promote such gameplay - restrict all pvp and theft between players from the same kingdom - no need for complex reputation system which generally does the same thing - penalizing bandits and outlaws so much by game mechanics, that there are virtually no real bandits, thieves and murderers in your own kingdom, only alts to spy and go around game mechanics. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 5, 2013 Oh I see, you want pvp to be kingdom VS kingdom ONLY well in this case there is a more simple way to promote such gameplay - restrict all pvp and theft between players from the same kingdom - no need for complex reputation system which generally does the same thing - penalizing bandits and outlaws so much by game mechanics, that there are virtually no real bandits, thieves and murderers in your own kingdom, only alts to spy and go around game mechanics. how can you call people who break into deeds when no one is online are or when you do go and confront them they hide behind templars, tower guards and mine doors how is that pvp and not abusing the rep system to their advantage. Why do you think so many play on the WL servers and so few on the BL server. If having no consequence for griefing your own kingdom works so well then why do so many play on JK and MR and so little on HOTS, there need to be a stronger rep system in place. the population on HOTS proves it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 5, 2013 (edited) how can you call people who break into deeds when no one is online are or when you do go and confront them they hide behind templars, tower guards and mine doors how is that pvp and not abusing the rep system to their advantage. Why do you think so many play on the WL servers and so few on the BL server. If having no consequence for griefing your own kingdom works so well then why do so many play on JK and MR and so little on HOTS, there need to be a stronger rep system in place. the population on HOTS proves it not quite true, as a new player i wanted to start on Affliction, as it had the most appealing ruleset - but its the smallest continent with the largest population of mobs - it is very difficult to start there, as you get killed after you take 10 steps in any direction from portal. I already told you two times, but you keep ignoring it - hire deed guards to protect your stuff from robbers and raiders while you are offline, no matter from what kingdom they are. I proposed that kingdom guards attack only players from other kingdoms, leave protection of private property to deed guards and justice to players themselves. This way your real reputation will matter - you piss off lots of people - everyone will know you are a scum - get ready for revenge, you won't be able to hide behind kingdom guards, they only thing you can count on for protection from players of your kingdom - is your deed and its guards. Edited July 5, 2013 by Ulfhrafn Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 5, 2013 Lol don't think you realise how weak deed guards are, a decent account can easliy solo a couple of guards so they don't really provide any protection againt other players plus deed guards don't attack same server pplers unless there kos or outlawed Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 5, 2013 (edited) how can you call people who break into deeds when no one is online are or when you do go and confront them they hide behind templars, tower guards and mine doors how is that pvp and not abusing the rep system to their advantage. Lol don't think you realise how weak deed guards are, a decent account can easliy solo a couple of guards so they don't really provide any protection againt other players plus deed guards don't attack same server pplers unless there kos or outlawed I see a little controversy here. If the guards are so weak, why should someone hiding behind their backs bother you? That is a problem of game balance and not the system-without-reputation itself, deed guards can be made a decent challenge for experienced players, maybe there should be an option to improve them with weapons and armor you craft, and maybe doing specific missions for your chosen deity to raise their power, so it won't be a 100% pay-to-win. Edited July 5, 2013 by Ulfhrafn Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 5, 2013 I see a little controversy here. If the guards are so weak, why should someone hiding behind their backs bother you? That is a problem of game balance and not the system-without-reputation itself, deed guards can be made a decent challenge for experienced players, maybe there should be an option to improve them with weapons and armor you craft, and maybe doing specific missions for your chosen deity to raise their power, so it won't be a 100% pay-to-win. Because griefers don't just hide behind the guards they hide in mines with stone mine doors on them that take ages to bash all the while on deed so you have to bash the door in to get to them while fighting off deed and tower guards repeatedly, there need to be something to discourage griefers on WL servers, theres already a pvp server where you can do whatever you want without having to worry about rep but some ppl are abusing the game mechanics because they dont want to take the effort go prepare a proper raid shankiest, on 04 Jul 2013 - 03:00 AM, said: i dont hide anything i do. so don't acuse me of hiding something if it is other blers(that im unaware of) that r doing great for them but i rather just break my way into the deed and take it over(free deed) . Atm im on an account destroying jkh yes and i will always do it until i see jkh burn to the ground. easier than going on shank and you guys can do stuff about it but so many people are so stupid on how stop it 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 5, 2013 Because griefers don't just hide behind the guards they hide in mines with stone mine doors on them that take ages to bash all the while on deed so you have to bash the door in to get to them while fighting off deed and tower guards repeatedly, there need to be something to discourage griefers on WL servers, theres already a pvp server where you can do whatever you want without having to worry about rep but some ppl are abusing the game mechanics because they dont want to take the effort go prepare a proper raid Well why don't you do exactly the same when they raid you? Hide behind stone mine doors, and let your guards attack them repeatedly. Maybe the problem is you don't want to hire any guards or build towers, cause you don't want to pay any money and loose your effort on it? Admit it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 5, 2013 Why you don't pvp like that on servers that are meant for such activity like Elevation or Affiction with full pvp allowed?Too much competition or too hard to do so there? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 5, 2013 Well why don't you do exactly the same when they raid you? Hide behind stone mine doors, and let your guards attack them repeatedly. Maybe the problem is you don't want to hire any guards or build towers, cause you don't want to pay any money and loose your effort on it? Admit it. So thats why my deed has guard towers that i build before all these post started and already had deed guards and the reason they can hide behind there mine doors is they have no crops or anything worth defending above ground and as i told you before how do you defend against someone who attacks your place while you not there? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 5, 2013 Sigh, Carebears on the homeservers complaining. -1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 5, 2013 Why you don't pvp like that on servers that are meant for such activity like Elevation or Affiction with full pvp allowed? Too much competition or too hard to do so there? we actually were talking about epic servers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 5, 2013 So thats why my deed has guard towers that i build before all these post started and already had deed guards and the reason they can hide behind there mine doors is they have no crops or anything worth defending above ground and as i told you before how do you defend against someone who attacks your place while you not there? I really don't get it why did you started to play on epic server. Some raiders stole your cabbage, you tried to get it back, but found that raiders live in a cavern and hide behind thick mine doors and guards, smart cabbage bandits. I still don't see any griefing here, its a damn epic server, you were warned before you chose to play on it, that people could steal your stuff. If you can't get your revenge on them cause they are smart to hide in a cavern, its not really a problem of the game, its you not trying hard enough to punish them. By the way, if there were no reputation system at all, and kingdom guards didn't interfere in pvp between players of the same kingdom - you could get your revenge easier. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 5, 2013 yea go ahead remove the rep system ur going end up like affliction population Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 5, 2013 (edited) yea go ahead remove the rep system ur going end up like affliction population does Elevation has the same population as Affliction? Affliction is also lot smaller than other servers and mob resp there is insane - so maybe this is the main reason why it has such a low population? Edited July 5, 2013 by Ulfhrafn Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 5, 2013 (edited) does Elevation has the same population as Affliction? Affliction is also lot smaller than other servers and mob resp there is insane - so maybe this is the main reason why it has such a low population? or u know deed wars....i been in 7 wars of declaration over there....guess whos only one that plays now EDIT: u cant really declare war but u know we pm each other that we gun f your ###### up and hide yo horses. Edited July 5, 2013 by shankiest 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 5, 2013 or u know deed wars....i been in 7 wars of declaration over there....guess whos only one that plays now EDIT: u cant really declare war but u know we pm each other that we gun f your ###### up and hide yo horses. I'm a new player to Wurm and I didn't really get it, could you explane? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 5, 2013 I'm a new player to Wurm and I didn't really get it, could you explane? no Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 5, 2013 I'm a new player to Wurm and I didn't really get it, could you explane? lotta ruins around blh because of other blh players 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 5, 2013 no are you some kind of local clown who writes nonsense? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites