Spirit Trader / Merchant

AryaStark · May 16, 2013

Hello friends,

My idea came while reading this thread; I initially wanted to post a reply here, but since my idea has quite some major differences from his idea, I thought it would be better to make its own thread instead of hijacking that thread.

So the idea is quite simple:

- a deed owner could hire a spirit trader, in the same way as a spirit templar - hiring cost could be 5-10 silver, with a maintenance of 1-2 silver;

- the spirit trader would not receive any money from the king;

- the spirit trader would sell the same items as a normal trader, 10% of the sale value will go to the deed upkeep, but no money will remain on the spirit trader;

- since the spirit trader would not have any money, obviously he could not buy any items, and again, obviously, he won't have any other items to sell, except the special items (like settlement deed, merchant contract, etc);

- the spirit traders won't count when calculating the distance between normal traders.

So basically it's just a NPC we hire as the templars, at a relative low price, with a relative low maintenance that can sell the special items, but nothing else.

I think there may be quite a few deed owners who would like to have such a trader - for the possibility to buy the items they need, not for draining or anything else.

What do you say?

Cheers,

Alex

Later edit: To make it clear, this is not proposed as a replacement for current traders system who do much more than the suggested spirit trader. It's just an addition.

Edited May 16, 2013 by AryaStark

Bix · May 16, 2013

I disagree.

No filthy plebs may enter my village, not even to buy stuff.

Bart · May 16, 2013

Not even to buy stuff that will contribute to your upkeep? +1 to the idea I would use one

Wulfgar · May 16, 2013

-1 because I think an even better idea would be to make those items available directly by right clicking any token at no extra cost, and at the same time remove existing traders. Your idea could basically be the same but I don't see the need for NPC's in the world, except those absolute necessary.

Elen · May 16, 2013

+1 to Wulfgar's token part, -1 to removing traders.

Jarosz · May 16, 2013

-1 because I think an even better idea would be to make those items available directly by right clicking any token at no extra cost, and at the same time remove existing traders. Your idea could basically be the same but I don't see the need for NPC's in the world, except those absolute necessary.

I like it, but it is not viable on PVP servers. Essentially the token is the most guarded item on a deed, as it can be drained.

I also don't like the idea of having to maintain a trader that only sells items that are rarely purchased by anyone. I don't want to pay 2silver a month if I don't live by anyone who would come buy things from it.

This would be better handle with a "Kings Envoy" type NPC that sells these items but never buys anything.

Hula_Girl · May 16, 2013

1-2s maintenance? I doubt it would be very popular, if at all.

Rathgar · May 16, 2013

-1, but you look hot, so not all is lost

AryaStark · May 16, 2013

1-2s maintenance? I doubt it would be very popular, if at all.

The reason for this is that in case of a minimally active deed, the 10% going to deed maintenance should easily cover this.

Presuming that the maintenance is 2 silvers and only two people (villagers / neighbors / etc) during the course of a month buy a merchant contract or a deed settlement, you already break even. More than this would already result in a small profit.

Cheers,

Alexandra

Bart · May 16, 2013

The reason for this is that in case of a minimally active deed, the 10% going to deed maintenance should easily cover this.

Presuming that the maintenance is 2 silvers and only two people (villagers / neighbors / etc) during the course of a month buy a merchant contract or a deed settlement, you already break even. More than this would already result in a small profit.

Cheers,

Alexandra

Agreed, i know personally on a PvP server, where people want things like rezz stones (5s each) you would easily cover a 1-2s maintenance price, for freedom, where such things are essentially useless, maybe 50c a month, in the same way that templars on freedom cost 1s compared to epic who pay 3s

Martynas5 · May 16, 2013

-1

stop whining and buy normal trader.

People going mad ? end of the world ?

silakka · May 16, 2013

^ she has a trader and a big ass deed xD

Id like more spirit npcs for deed, but maybe not other type of trader.

yarnevk · May 16, 2013

-1 because I think an even better idea would be to make those items available directly by right clicking any token at no extra cost, and at the same time remove existing traders. Your idea could basically be the same but I don't see the need for NPC's in the world, except those absolute necessary.

A token IS a NPC. Just because it is not an animated person avatar does not mean it is not an NPC. I think it is way more immersible to interact with the kings representative than an impersonal token, and is certainly not a job suitable for a player character to have. It is the exact same reason the phone company hires voice actors to read the lines on the phone menus, because a text or robotic speech interface is impersonal. An actual character there when you buy things reinforces the idea you bought it from the king, rather than some robot vending machine. It is why other MMOs when you go to the bank, it is actually a bank with tellers working there and you slide your silver across the counter, even though that could be done with a game menu interface. Having characters there doing jobs no player would ever do just adds to the idea this is a living world (even though these NPC never even actually pace their booth, which would certainly be a nice enhancement)

Edited May 16, 2013 by yarnevk

yarnevk · May 16, 2013

What do you say?

As already pointed out it is not worth it to have a trader fee only to get kingdom items.

So instead just do away with the upkeep distribution, and leave the kingdom items and the player trades feature in. Yes if the tax rate is set too high it may have few coins, but if they would just relax the barter requirements so as not to require an exact match then you have a lower cost trader in line with the lesser payout it gets when there is no upkeep in it. You could even tie it to the village upkeep as the change drawer, if people sold a lot you have to put some cash into the upkeep, if people bought a lot there is extra upkeep. A more interesting way of donating to upkeep.

Because even existing traders accept barter to buy non-kingdom items, and with this trader as long as someone bought kingdom items, and the tax rate is reasonable for buy-low sell-high profits there would be some coin for change or for it to buy something (certainly not 1s cloth squares though!) It also means it is better off being public, and it would be a public trader that nobody would waste time draining, knowing there is no upkeep to be had.

If you want to have a village you want the noobs to sell their junk to the trader, because some other noob might need that 'useless' forage you wanted to get rid of, or that rat pelt. So you do not want just a buy only system, you want a 'trader'

This is essentially the idea I had for monthly trader contracts was if you stopped paying the reoccuring fee, all it meant was you lost entititlement to the upkeep distribution and left with any profit possibility coming only from the trader being....well... a trader for the village or public like it was intended to be when the NPC was created in the first place. But if it is not receiving upkeep at all, then unlike the other spirit trader idea, then it would work as a parallel system.

Edited May 16, 2013 by yarnevk

Raybarg · May 16, 2013

I like the idea of making it easier to make trader purchased items available. Why, eh, the king does not have mail sales service, huh? Surely since there is mailboxes SOMEONE would have thought about that in the kingdom.

yarnevk · May 16, 2013

because then you would need a mailbox to get a deed safe at home on your deed?

Edited May 16, 2013 by yarnevk

Ronnie · May 17, 2013

-1

JackBurton · May 17, 2013

Oh look...another trader thread.

This was needed.

Lolly1 · May 17, 2013

The reason for this is that in case of a minimally active deed, the 10% going to deed maintenance should easily cover this.

Presuming that the maintenance is 2 silvers and only two people (villagers / neighbors / etc) during the course of a month buy a merchant contract or a deed settlement, you already break even. More than this would already result in a small profit.

Cheers,

Alexandra

I'd rather pay the 1-2s directly into the upkeep. You say that one would break even after such a minimal purchase... but what about the 5-10s in initial start up costs? Seems to me one would be at a loss if the maintenance fee is added. Another thing, what would happen if no one made a purchase that month? Pretty clear it would be money down the drain as silver is only added to upkeep if purchases are made.

Sorry, seem like a total waste of money to me.

-1

Edited May 17, 2013 by Lolly1

Martynas5 · May 17, 2013

^ she has a trader and a big ass deed xD

Id like more spirit npcs for deed, but maybe not other type of trader.

If you have "big ass deed" then you can have few traders there. Gains depends on server.

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