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Srsly, forum ban me for a week or something but.

what the ###### is this ######? which idiot thinks of this?

WHO THINKS THIS IS FUN?

I remember, rolf, at the Amsterdam meeting..

"WHY DO SOMETHING THAT NOBODY WILL LIKE"

WELL, TO MAKE PPL BE BORING EVERYTIME JEZUS WHAT THE ######

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100 lamps is far from the amount of lamps that us over at Lakeside Retreat have to keep filled, especially considering the road of lamps Alyeska made alongside the water.

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Well now that we have the barrel and everything i would think a good way to fix this is to add bulk to the oil or make the oil last longer. I don't think he will take the new system out now that he has put it in so fixing the amount of oil used is our only hope.

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100 lamps is far from the amount of lamps that us over at Lakeside Retreat have to keep filled, especially considering the road of lamps Alyeska made alongside the water.

Not to forget the 100 lamps at esert, GOOD JOB!

ROLF, please announce it when freedom is going full PVP again! So that we can move our stuff before Epic comes to raid us!!!!!

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I would like to see rolfs opinion to that :o maybe he just wanted to make the world more interesting "challenging" when you cant see those monsters in night....so night is scary...

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I would like to see rolfs opinion to that :o maybe he just wanted to make the world more interesting "challenging" when you cant see those monsters in night....so night is scary...

he would have a brain and simply put that they only go off when they are off-deed. 99% of deeds dont have wandering monsters.

Instead we get amazing fun filling HUNDREDS of lamps!

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Would everyone just calm the heck down already? You all are going to give someone a stroke. Act with civility, and list problems with the new update or make additions because I can say with near utmost certainty that Rolf will not revert this.

I would lock this topic and let things settle for a while as this has clearly gotten out of hand.

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Would everyone just calm the heck down already? You all are going to give someone a stroke. Act with civility, and list problems with the new update or make additions because I can say with near utmost certainty that Rolf will not revert this.

I would lock this topic and let th

maybe this would remind rolf of making retarded changes to freedom all ###### time

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WKM you sound ridiculous and are providing nothing substantial to this thread. Go outside if you have nothing constructive to say.

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WKM you sound ridiculous and are providing nothing substantial to this thread. Go outside if you have nothing constructive to say.

just extremely tired of all those stupid things happening :/

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I agree but yelling about it isn't helping anyone's cause. There have been numerous suggestions to improve this update so let's just leave it at that.

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I guess what I don't understand is like there's still no bridges, multistory houses. There's still issues with Chaos + Epic and PvP in general. I am sure there's several bugs still unfixed especially with border crossings, at least on Epic, and of all things to focus on... it's lamps? I am not saying it's unimportant but of all things to focus on it seems rather trivial and needless. I never once seen any threads about lamps needing changes, so why out of the blue is there a change to them?

It just seems very random. Now there's seven pages of discussion about lamps and oil of all things wrong with Wurm, this is dead dead dead dead last. You put tar in the lamp, light it. You use olive oil for compasses. This is basic simple stuff that worked perfectly a-okay. Why touch things that are not broken?

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I fully expect GM owned towns such as Esert, FM etc as well as the tutorial to need oil harvested by GM's or Rolf to keep them lit as well, I imagine it will be since it is tough to code one thing and not another.

If oil is added to barrels in the tutorial via magic or create items by GM power I'll be a little miffed, knowing how things go you'll add add oil to the barrel before you can leave the tutorial.

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I agree but yelling about it isn't helping anyone's cause. There have been numerous suggestions to improve this update so let's just leave it at that.

Maybe WKM is like me and does not want to "leave it at that" but wants this update withdrawn. If so then he, like me, has the right to voice that opinion. Please respect that right.

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I won't maintain an oil barrel for Green Dog. That is a fact.

I will however strategical place some hell horses on Tristan for a bit of light at night; oh what a pity that i can't paint those hell horses...

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To people that love this idea, i'm sorry, but this is just Rolf back to his former, lets troll wurm players again. But this time with a small money grab.

So basically, we go from a standpoint where you lights are refilled automagically (and don't tell me its a bug, since i've been seeing it pegged as one of the "perks" of having a deed since i've started playing 2 years ago) to one where the same happens but you have to harvest tons of olives, you'll have to hire a guard if you didn't have one, and you'll have to build yet another object into the game just for this single purpose.

So yeah, where in any sane person's mind is this an improvement?

Personally i refuse to hire a guard simply to fill lamps for me, nor will ni haver find time to harvest enough oil for all my lamps (even if i do have several olives in my deed, and space to plant more), i have way above 10 lamps just in my smallest deed. My largest deed has that many lamps just along its road. So yeah, forget about playing at night. Rolf spends too much time screwing up the player base and simply downgrading the game. Sadly this is nothing new the game is full of nonsensical decisions like the meditation answers being removed from the wiki and several other "fixing what isn't broken" ideas.

I seriously doubt anyone happy with this patch has any idea the work behind getting enough olive oil for that, or even have any significant ammount of lamps.

But whats more shocking is that lighting is ACTUALLY broken, and has been for ages. I have a whole line of tiles in my deed that if i stand on it the whole thing goes dark. And yet they "fix" auto-refilling.

Way to go Rolf, small wonder you're not a zillionare like Notch.

I know that just like with meditation, most of the community is pissed at this even if most aren't vocal in the forums, but you can see enough of the larger deed holders complaining to get a good idea of what this update means.

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I have liked a few of the "rager" posts in this thread, but I think this idea is ludicrous enough to warrant a post of my own, so here goes:

This is the worst change so far this year. No, it doesn't top the cave-wrecking bugs of last year or the opening up of home servers to raiding back in 2009, but the fact that I think of the 2 worst decisions Rolf has ever made when I see this change tells me how bad it is. NOBODY has the time to harvest the olives needed to make the oil that will be required to fill all of the lamps in Wurm, and that doesn't even count the extraneous "I <3 Lamp" overlit deeds. I'm just talking about the lamps required to have decent vision at night on peoples deeds.

Permalamps are one of the reasons I bought my first deed all those years ago, and are one of the reasons I still do almost all of my activities on deed.

This change is highly counterproductive and turns a feature of the game into an annoyance. Really though, "annoyance" isn't the right word. Pain, chore, bashing my face into my keyboard, are all really more accurate, but still maybe not strong enough.

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Would everyone just calm the heck down already? You all are going to give someone a stroke. Act with civility, and list problems with the new update or make additions because I can say with near utmost certainty that Rolf will not revert this.

I would lock this topic and let things settle for a while as this has clearly gotten out of hand.

Either you are a damn excellent psychic or have the ear of the develper to make a statement like this. ??? "I can say with near utmost certainty" ???

Heh, glad someone around here can see the future. Hope you like playing a game with no one left to interact with.

Said with as much civility as i can muster after years of this kind of stuff happening on an alarmingly regular basis.

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This is absurd.. When my friend and I purchased our deeds we were told that on-deed lamps light automatically. I dont want to go back to the nights of Golden Valley where I kept the oven lit ALL NIGHT with scraps because everything around was PITCH BLACK.

My mayor is thinking about taking a break from Wurm now and my room-mate is probably going to quit because of this and the enchanted grass nerf..

(he made almost all the lamps for the deed and when the grass nerf happened he was almost high enough on the path of love for enchanted grass)

Also he's pissed already because of the new diseases since he's in charge of the animals.. Being a Fo priest and their caretaker... But that's another matter all together..

Oh yeah, also cavebugs..

TL;DR - GIVE ME A TAR BARREL FOR LAMPS AND I'LL BE HAPPY.

I already have enough stuff I need to do in Wurm.. Some fun.. Some not so fun.. I dont see the point in changing something that was working as intended.. I dont see how it was a bug.. I dont see how making something beautiful and creative like deed lighting no longer fun and rewarding is a good idea..

I work full time and play Wurm because it's fun and the best mmo I have EVER played. All these new changes seem more buggy than the features they were designed to replace.

Brb Going to go play my other favorite mmo that all but died because of bad developer decisions..

PROTIP: When is a bug a feature? When the developer has your money.

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After sleeping on the change for two nights...I have changed my mind...

TY ROLF for saving me the coin my guards formerly costed m,e......5 silver a month....

Now lit by Hellhorse....have to farm those tiles anyhow...well placed 1x2 pen....= everlasting on deed lighting...

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Posted · Hidden by KaiH, June 23, 2012 - derail
Hidden by KaiH, June 23, 2012 - derail

in b4 hellhorses only live for 2 weeks and get diseased and die being in a area smaller then 4x4! <--- GOOD IDEA ROLF?

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Perhaps, if you hire a guard they will maintain the on deed lamps on a "never never" basis in addition to their regular duties ?

This i would be fine with .

If this change had been a year ago , it wouldn't have affected me as much . But now , i don't get much time to play and this change means i wil basically be playing in the dark with just my personal lamp as i won't have time to go round refilling / lighting them all . Also , i may not even be able to play when it is Olive season , so then i would be forced to buy oil if i wanted ot make use of an oil ( only ) barrel .

My deeds are large and have a lot of lights on ( which i am still in the process of adding more so they look good ) as i like the aesthetic value they add even when i'm not working in that particular area , lit deeds look better than dark ones to me .

I don't have a problem with paying an extra silver a month ( if i need to ) to pay a guard to magically keep all my deed lamps full and lit without me having get involved in it .

I also don't see why it was needed to be changed back to the old "lamps go out" on deed in the first place .

If it was just to make Olive Oil more used , then why not add it to cooking ( as someone suggested ) , or let us use it to treat wooden items to reduce decay ( ie wooden fences / houses / seats etc ) .

Just my 2 pence anyway .

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After sleeping on the change for two nights...I have changed my mind...

TY ROLF for saving me the coin my guards formerly costed m,e......5 silver a month....

Now lit by Hellhorse....have to farm those tiles anyhow...well placed 1x2 pen....= everlasting on deed lighting...

Yeah i purchased my self a couple of those a few days ago. Now i'm going to start breeding like mad i guess... If i don't simply stop playing wurm altogether...

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Posted · Hidden by KaiH, June 23, 2012 - inappropriate
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Here is a list of competing software that does not actively work to terrorize its own player base.

http://www.darkfallonline.com/

http://www.mortalonline.com/

http://www.eveonline.com/

http://www.xsyon.com/

http://www.dawntide.net/

http://www.atitd.com/

http://www.embersofcaerus.com/

http://www.havenandhearth.com/portal/

http://www.islandsofwar.com/

http://www.linkrealms.com/

http://www.archeage.com/en

http://skyrim-online.com/

http://www.therepopulation.com/

http://www.paradoxplaza.com/games/salem

http://www.ryzom.com/en/

http://secondlife.com/

http://www.starquestonline.net/index.php

As you can see there are many alternatives. We cannot allow Rolf to continue his reign of terror any longer. This must be stopped and we have the power to stop him. If everyone were to try one of these games for a weekend and the total player count of the servers were to drop drastically, it has to get his attention. He is very adept at ignoring our posts on the forums so lets see if he can ignore us not playing.

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Yeah i purchased my self a couple of those a few days ago. Now i'm going to start breeding like mad i guess... If i don't simply stop playing wurm altogether...

Oh great, lamps are changed and now everyone's going to hoard Hell Horses preventing spawns. What have you done, Rolf!!!

btw, wouldn't lava spiders work better? You can just let them starve forever and they'll never die. ((Not a bug there that needs fixing -.- ))

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