Posted January 11, 2012 Even when you go unlawful, before you steal for the first time, a message should pop up explaining what can happen. it should say something like this: "WARNING: This will earn you a reputation hit of (x), Whenever your reputation hits -100, you are set as an outlaw and will be on kos for every tower guard of your kingdom, save for those specified by deeds, along with this, when you die your skills will take 5x the normal skill loss. Earning -200 reputation will convert you to Horde of the Summoned. You can type /reputation to see your current Reputation." and a check-mark "Don't show this message again" Justification for this is: http://wurmonline.com/forum/index.php?topic=68495.msg607447;boardseen#new Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 11, 2012 Firstly outlaw is less than 0. Second, there is already fair warning against stealing via guards; you become hostile after getting caught twice. Also, the amount of items you'd had to steal to go BL is exorbitant in relation to how quickly the guards would be on you. I know this firsthand. Assuming you didn't steal 20+ items, near impossible at one deed without receiving some form of warning, you'd lose your outlaw status overnight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 11, 2012 A warning should be made, because as it is people don't find out about outlaw status or etc untill experiencing it first hand, which can lead to a lot of inconvenience Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 11, 2012 ...you are set as an outlaw and will be on kos for every tower guard of your kingdom, save for those specified by deeds... Pretty sure tower guards even on deed will attack you, even your own deed. A bigger issue atm is unless changed, I believe the current reputation hits are in the ballpark of -103... I know someone that went insta-outlaw for stealing a whetstone from an off-deed woodshack on Epic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 11, 2012 There are also a number of circumstances where having lawful enabled does not stop unlawful actions, thus losing rep with no warning. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 12, 2012 ...you are set as an outlaw and will be on kos for every tower guard of your kingdom, save for those specified by deeds... Pretty sure tower guards even on deed will attack you, even your own deed. A bigger issue atm is unless changed, I believe the current reputation hits are in the ballpark of -103... I know someone that went insta-outlaw for stealing a whetstone from an off-deed woodshack on Epic. by "specified" i mean those where you have your rep set on max, preventing outlaw or kos Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 13, 2012 -103? Believe me, they aren't that high; more like 20-50. And you don't become an outlaw until <0, so you would most likely get poked by the guards before you ever hit outlaw. And I've never had interference from tower guards as an outlaw. Despite all this, stealing in itself implies some for of risk, but the facts are there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 13, 2012 -103? Believe me, they aren't that high; more like 20-50. And you don't become an outlaw until <0, so you would most likely get poked by the guards before you ever hit outlaw. And I've never had interference from tower guards as an outlaw. Despite all this, stealing in itself implies some for of risk, but the facts are there. It is/was bugged, don't you understand? It's happened on several occasions on both Chaos and Epic, and has been reported in a /dev. Normally it's -10 for offdeed things and -35 for ondeed, or at least that's what I've found. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 13, 2012 Well you said current so I assumed you meant normal. But w/e, maybe a box similar to the theft warning when items are dropped. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites