Posted June 29, 2021 1 minute ago, Yserin said: sorry apparently missed that xD. and I agree with either one is bad. edit: it would make sense if they are a little better then horses. we cant breed them so you either get lucky with the traits or you dont and cull them. bit more risk. I bet you breeders who sell animals commercially would love it if mules are working as intended. Imagine being able to sell draft mules knowing that they can't be used by other people to breed/multiply for friends and alliance members. The only way for draft mules to exists is for someone to breed both draft donkeys and draft horses. I'm not a breeder, but I think that'd be quite a cool thing. It would give breeders who worked hard to get their draft herds a reward for that hard work. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 29, 2021 31 minutes ago, Borstaskor said: Imagine being able to sell draft mules knowing that they can't be used by other people to breed/multiply for friends and alliance members. The only way for draft mules to exists is for someone to breed both draft donkeys and draft horses. Sshhhhh,...Nothing to see here... These are not the droids you are looking for. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 29, 2021 (edited) One more baby before bed! A little black silver. Could be better but could be worse too. Raventich, female black silver. [23:59:16] It has very strong leg muscles. It seems accustomed to water. It looks unusually strong and healthy. It has a certain spark in its eyes. It seems to be a graceful eater. It has a slow metabolism. It has been bred in captivity. Parents: Starkhoney, male black silver, 5sp. Dancestark, female gold buckskin, 2sp, 1 draft, sparky. Edited June 29, 2021 by olafhairybreeks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 30, 2021 (edited) - Edited August 8, 2021 by Yserin no longer playing, Per the mismanagment of AH update Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 30, 2021 (edited) A nice lot of babies today! Including two with draft traits which will be very useful. Two foals for the breeding pen, and one for the grooming pen unless someone wants to rehome her! Lightningcopper, female ebony. [14:37:16] It has fleeter movement than normal. It has very strong leg muscles. It seems accustomed to water. It seems vibrant. It looks stationary. It has been bred in captivity. Parents: Tearally, male grey, 2sp, 2 draft, sparky. Flashcoffee, 5sp. Cainetari, female blood bay. [14:38:59] It has a strong body. It can carry more than average. It has strong legs. It seems to be a graceful eater. It has a slow metabolism. It seems vibrant. It has been bred in captivity. Parents: Romanwind, male blood bay, 1sp, 2 draft, sparky. Swiftswift, female ebony, 5sp. Landkia, female ebony. [14:40:38] It has fleeter movement than normal. It is unusually strong-willed. It has some illness. It seems to dislike steep terrain. It has been bred in captivity. Parents: Hunter, male wild chestnut. Zoe, female white, 5sp. And two donkeys today. Poor little Burro does not feel well, and Braag decided to name her daughter after herself. Burro, female grey. [15:05:31] It has malformed hindlegs. It looks shabby and frail. It has been bred in captivity. Parents: Merlin, male wild donkey, grey. Prydwyn, female wild donkey, grey. Braag 'Deux', female grey. [15:08:39] It has a strong body. It is easy on its gear. It has been bred in captivity. Parents: Pendragon, wild male donkey, grey. Braag, female grey, 1 draft. EDIT One more surprise donkey as I was posting! Dancer, female grey. [15:15:00] It seems more friendly. It has a slow metabolism. It has been bred in captivity. Parents: Piccolo, male grey, 1 draft, 1 misc. Blanchflour, female wild donkey, grey. Edited June 30, 2021 by olafhairybreeks Donkey! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 30, 2021 (edited) I decided to do another mule speed test today, this time as a mount. I'm testing Alfie again, cos he's the oldest I have at adolescent. His traits are: [15:33:45] It has fleeter movement than normal. The legs are of different length. It has been bred in captivity. So 1 speed trait and a negative speed trait. Carrying me with an inventory of 30.85kg, and on a flat paved road we went from 10.12kph to 18.76kph without gear. Compare that to Starkcopper, a new 4 speed with one draft trait mature horse. Without gear he took me on the same road from 18.06kph to 23.79kph. Now with gear, ie 90ql and 90+woa shoes, a bridle and a 72ql 70woa saddle with saddlesacks. Alfie went from 18.66kph to 20.92kph. Starkcopper on the other hand went from 28.02kph to 36.79kph. It struck me that I should also test with a 1 speed horse, and luckily young Simeontrot is just old enough! These are his traits: [15:54:34] It has fleeter movement than normal. It looks stationary. It has been bred in captivity. So without gear he went 16.54kph to 19.41kph. And with gear he went 25.99kph to 28.86kph. All in all a mule is slightly slower than a horse of a similar age with similar traits. However it will be interesting to see how Alfie does when I get that bad trait genesised away! Edited June 30, 2021 by olafhairybreeks 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 1, 2021 Three babies today. A nice little gold buckskin, in fact the best I've made so far; and lovely appaloosa with a bugged name. And also a mule with 2 draft traits! I'll enjoy seeing how he does on the cart when he's grown up. Rockpepper, female gold buckskin. [16:39:00] It has fleeter movement than normal. It has lightning movement. It has very strong leg muscles. It looks unusually strong and healthy. It has been bred in captivity. Parents: Happycloud, male grey, 2 sp, 2 draft, sparky. Warriorchaser, female gold buckskin, 5sp. Ebenhans, female apploosa. [18:43:04] It has fleeter movement than normal. It has lightning movement. It has very strong leg muscles. It seems accustomed to water. It seems more friendly. It has a slow metabolism. It has been bred in captivity. Parents: Fantasynorth, female appaloosa, 5sp. Bouncergrey, male skewbald, 5sp. Brave, male grey mule. [16:43:35] It has fleeter movement than normal. It can carry more than average. It seems to be a graceful eater. It is easy on its gear. It has been bred in captivity. Parents: Piccolo, male donkey, grey, 1 draft. Agnespearl, female while, 5sp. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Posted July 1, 2021 That is a great sheep! Also, relevant thread: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 2, 2021 More general feedback: 1. The only breeding that is going well enough that I would consider it rewarding are the bison. I now have eight 4-draft bison. Of course I fully expect them to be useless compared to horses. 2. For some reason I am now getting a lot of new arrivals at my trait cap. What should be happy news is just another source of frustration, since I feel the need to kill all of them, because they are full of trash traits like "stationary". Makes no sense to breed them since those trash traits would block the draft/speed traits I really want. 3. Breeding my 4-speed horses more often than not produces trash with 1-speed and 3+ misc traits. This is quite frustrating. 4. Having an equipment window for bison but not being able to put shoes on them is just another little needless annoyance. If the devs felt the need for an "easy on gear" trait, then animals should be able to make use of that! 5. It will take months to establish a good breeding stock for draft horses. There is just too much trash offspring with 3+ misc. traits! 6. The breeding timer still being broken 38 days after the patch is a constant source of annoyance. Lots of useless attempts due to this. Fix this asap, it's a huge timewaster! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 2, 2021 One donkey so far, a confusing one. I don't know whether or not to put her in the breeding pool! Bailey, female grey. [12:29:39] It looks unusually strong and healthy. It has a certain spark in its eyes. It seems to be a graceful eater. It is easy on its gear. It has been bred in captivity. Parents: Piccolo, male grey, 1 draft. Guinevere, female wild donkey, grey. I like sparky eyes and I'm pleased to see a draft trait, but if I breed her will the misc traits category be dominant? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 2, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, olafhairybreeks said: I like sparky eyes and I'm pleased to see a draft trait, but if I breed her will the misc traits category be dominant? New: Traits now have categories, the majority category on a creature excluding negative and miscellaneous traits will influence how traits are passed on greatly preferring to pass on its majority to its child. That's from the patch notes of the AH update. So, no. That donkey is a draft donkey. Edited July 2, 2021 by Borstaskor Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 2, 2021 (edited) On 7/2/2021 at 1:42 AM, Josso said: More general feedback: 2. For some reason I am now getting a lot of new arrivals at my trait cap. What should be happy news is just another source of frustration, since I feel the need to kill all of them, because they are full of trash traits like "stationary". Makes no sense to breed them since those trash traits would block the draft/speed traits I really want. On 6/23/2021 at 6:20 AM, SmeJack said: yeah the complete inability to custom build the horse lines you want is what is angering me the most right now, there is absolutely no inheritance of traits just a dominant category and a random spattering on top On 6/23/2021 at 8:39 PM, SmeJack said: Just as an update of one of the horses I have been monitoring: 40 foals born now and none of them have had tough bugger, that's a whopping 0% inheritance rate from the mother or the father. I don't think I can have any more damning evidence than this that the process is only taking the dominant pool and randomising that and then throwing other random from any pool thereafter, some of which are more heavily weighted than others. Obviously the one im looking for isn't in that heavily weighted list. On 6/26/2021 at 10:11 AM, SmeJack said: They don't they aren't considered a dominant category ive been breeding some for lols and they have been coming out clean because the entire system of inheriting traits has been defenestrated (snip) Edited August 8, 2021 by Yserin no longer playing, Per the mismanagment of AH update 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 2, 2021 She is up to 63 foals now and still 0% of them with tough bugger 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 2, 2021 5 hours ago, SmeJack said: She is up to 63 foals now and still 0% of them with tough bugger Does any other junk misc/combat trait transfer at any rate? This seems to bold that it's taking speed mostly, less likely draft, or nothing from 1 of the parents and fills rest with junk that is not related to parent unless there was inbreeding and it transfers tons of bad traits in that case. Is the bugger the only useless trait that you can track on that parent? in addition.. does anyone actually get points equal to their skill with high point parents or not.. just curious I never did. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 2, 2021 I've made another draft foal! And another blood bay to boot which is nice, they seem like the best colour to be big chonkers. Goldenkicker, female blood bay. [20:47:04] It has a strong body. It can carry more than average. It has a certain spark in its eyes. It seems to be a graceful eater. It is easy on its gear. It has a slow metabolism. It has been bred in captivity. Parents: Pieice, male blood bay, 2sp, 2 draft, spark. Jadepick. female appaloosa, 2sp, 2 draft. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 2, 2021 6 minutes ago, Finnn said: in addition.. does anyone actually get points equal to their skill with high point parents or not.. just curious I never did. I've got some with 80 points and my ah is currently 88. I was 84 ah when the update dropped. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 3, 2021 5 hours ago, Finnn said: Is the bugger the only useless trait that you can track on that parent? Its on the parents and im tracking because i want it... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 3, 2021 9 hours ago, Finnn said: in addition.. does anyone actually get points equal to their skill with high point parents or not.. just curious I never did. I get some at my points limit (65), yesterday 3 foals or more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 3, 2021 Can't get rid of the quote thing for some reason! Just one baby so far, one for the grooming pen or possibly sale. Briskpepper, female chestnut. [14:49:11] It has fleeter movement than normal. It has very strong leg muscles. It has a certain spark in its eyes. It seems more friendly. It has been bred in captivity. Parents: Pieice, male blood bay, 2sp, 2 draft, sparky. Benitabrisk, female ebony, 5sp. 17 hours ago, Finnn said: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 3, 2021 (edited) - may ask how many foals you see a day ( or a week) on average? something I have always been curious about. Edited August 8, 2021 by Yserin no longer playing, Per the mismanagment of AH update Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 3, 2021 5 hours ago, Yserin said: may ask how many foals you see a day ( or a week) on average? something I have always been curious about. With the new double challenge of speed and draft horses, around 10 foals per day. I can cut down soon though because nobody wants to buy speed horses. And playing casino is not my thing, so I am not going to be the one pushing out thousands of foals in the hopes of getting a few with rare traits. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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