Ainelan

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ad Loggy: You harrassed me. How did I harassed you? Dont lie. How did I griefed neighbors? Do not lie again. You helped me to make 1 cart. Others I made alone. So do not lie again. No you didnt make my bsbs I made them all myself. So do not lie again. Yes pherik created some small crates which he stole before so I complained about it. And after I left deed you or him stole them again. So do not say half truths. 

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No , This was already handled by a gm and by griefing, you started to dig a hole where out road was going on the coast line after we kicked you form the deed, you did not leave. You were the party that was in the wrong as stated by the GM , and I have already showed you the logs. We did not steal any logs, when the crates were on the deed we used them as a player cut down a forest and trees and left them there , and pherik made you new crates lol. we can close this post as it has already been dealt with by a Gm who moved you and gave you all your stuff. So trying to cause a mess on the forums 2 months after it happened is pretty stupid and petty

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posting this conversation on behalf o Calinden, The Evil Queen of Hell, Goddes of Thieves and Murders, The One Above Libila

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[07:49:55] <Ainelan> Why KoS?

[07:50:14] <Ainelan> We had a agreement you broke it.

[07:50:16] <Callinden> Ask Ukash, it was him who did that

[07:50:30] <Ainelan> So when I can pick my stuff?

[07:50:55] <Callinden> you cant

[07:51:00] <Ainelan> why not?

[07:51:37] <Callinden> this conversation is over, you were asked politely to move your stuff, you were asked politely to leave

[07:52:04] <Callinden> you were given food, shelter, resources, a place to build your home and you did nothing but take stuff for yourself

[07:52:21] <Ainelan> politely? ultimates and checks? that is not polite

[07:52:50] <Callinden> you were here a full week and did not follow advice, then instructions, we were tired of tripping over your stuff

[07:53:18] <Ainelan> Perfect. So I come for them and you dont have to trip over them anymore.

[07:53:23] <Callinden> and when you failed to alert alliance of possible enemy presence that was the last straw

[07:53:41] <Callinden> risk is too high, and i think you will find that if you talk to other alliance members they will agree

[07:54:03] <Callinden> you will not set foot on this deed again

[07:54:04] <Ainelan> But there so no reason why you cant give me my stuff back

[07:54:15] <Callinden> i offered to help you transport it all to starter

[07:54:19] <Callinden> you refused that

[07:54:25] <Callinden> i asked to check what you had before you left

[07:54:26] <Ainelan> I only want mythings nothing more nothing less

[07:54:30] <Callinden> you refused that

[07:54:38] <Ainelan> I was checked all carts

[07:54:44] <Callinden> it was only when i asked leeloo to help that you opened the carts

[07:54:54] <Ainelan> and I told you that you can check everything

[07:55:05] <Callinden> too late my friend

[07:55:14] <Ainelan> I was away catching horses

[07:55:46] <Ainelan> so enjoy look in your mirrror, thief, liar and murder

[07:55:47] <Callinden> well maybe you have learned what pvp is like, and how deed mayors are responsible for their own security and the security of the alliance

[07:56:11] <Ainelan> I learned that you are backstubbing greedy thief

[07:56:24] <Ainelan> it is your reputation not mine which is tarnished

[07:56:43] <Ainelan> dont hidee your greediness behind security concerns

[07:57:36] <Ainelan> your security is decrerased if xyou create unnecessary enemies

[07:57:54] <Callinden> is that a threat ainelan?
[07:58:12] <Ainelan> no

[07:58:26] <Callinden> are you saying you are an enemy?

[07:59:05] <Ainelan> I am saying your behaviour leads to creating ones, I dont wonder anymore wehy so many people left MR for BL if you trest them this way

[07:59:18] <Ainelan> treat

[08:00:04] <Ainelan> is difference between RvRvR PvP and griefing

[08:00:18] <Ainelan> you are not PvPing you are griefing

[08:00:43] <Callinden> if you say so

[08:02:07] <Ainelan> Do you lkike that view in your mirror? Do you like to be thief, liar and murderer? Talk to me when you want to be cleaned from your sins.

[08:02:44] <Ainelan> I can forgive.

[08:04:48] <Ainelan> if you want more allies treat them better than me.

[08:06:38] <Ainelan> Or your kingdom will crumble and be crashed by defeat.

[08:07:32] <Ainelan> So when you return myx stuff? Or how long do you want to be tarnished by crimes of theft?

[08:09:50] <Ainelan> Interersting that you was nice and sweet until you discovered that my bsbs are lcoked. Then you became passdive agressive slowly. Interesting coincidence. Lol

[08:11:27] <Ainelan> and that lockipicking Schwetter send by you that was nice too

[08:11:52] <Ainelan> Yo are so nice and sweet personb really.


as for KOS, blame me, suspicious actions against alliance, like not informing about enemies by our doorstep is a fast way to get into the list, no hard feelings, you're not the first, nor the last

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ad Loggy: You even lied to GM so you get free bsbs without work. So pathetic. What hole did i dug? Dont lie again. I was trying to make a harbour so I could move all my stuff by a ship after I left your deed. But GM teleported me with majority of my stuff so I didnt need a harbour and ship. You both stole me my logs. Do not lie again. Yes pherik made new crates after you both stole mine. You gave me new instead stoled ones. And then you stole them again. I should called out all your harassment of me much sooner. My mistake. Then all would see your true character.  

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No, We didn't lie to anyone, and again The GM took care of it and saw you as in the wrong. Not us... That si why we show logs to prove out story. You can stop now. We did everything to help you we had no use for ql10 logs lol, You dug a hold on a perimeter of two deeds. then build a 1x1 to grief us. I had to destroy it....So Again read the logs, You were at fault, stop whining 2 months later

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ad: Ukash  Thanks for that post. That shows that she refused to give my stuff back. That is exactly what I said. If you mistreat people from the same kingdom it is only natural that they become less willing to cooperate with you. I did inform Callinden about potencial enemy and for reward i was kicked out from village.  

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ad: Loggy That was not griefing that was attempt to have place near my stuff where I could build a harbour so I could leave proximity of your deed with all my stuff. Do not lie again. You cant build on anyone´s perimeter so I built that 1x1 house on free land so nobody will deed place where I needed place for harbour, place where I could build a ship locked inside a building so nobody could steal it before finishing. If that is crime I am guilty. 

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ad Loggy: I didnt have to make this topic if you had enough honour and gave me my +-450 logs and small crates back. 

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The main problem that I see is that the level of trust decayed between both parties. 

More so going along with this line:

 

"you were here a full week and did not follow advice, then instructions, we were tired of tripping over your stuff" & "and when you failed to alert alliance of possible enemy presence that was the last straw"

 

If you show that you will not go along with a kingdoms rules then you become a danger to that kingdom.  If you are seen as not following rules and guidelines then the level of trust will go down and so when the level gets to its most low point and they want you gone.  They will not have trust in you to sort out yourself and collect your items without causing more fuss and drama.

That is why they then brought in a higher up (GM) to sort things out.  I would say that it is time to move on.   Things can be made again and collected again.    It is only a game after all.  Sure it can suck and be annoying to not be able to get your items but you can make them again.   Keep on focusing on it will only make you more angry and frustrated.  You can always ask for other people to help you make those items and collect the same amount of logs again if you want.    It just takes time.  Time that could be better spent then focusing on the "Drama" and "Who did what"

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This was solved over 2 months ago.....I am not sure why he wants to complain now.. But it was solved, no one stole logs from him. He was new tot he game and i took a chance at helping him and paid him premium. GM took care of him and now a second village has had issues with him... I think we see who the problem is. 

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Yeah it was solved partially 2 months ago but not perfectly if you still have stuff which you stole from me. Do not lie again. Problem is in greediness and attempts to take advantages of new players (on PvE and on PvP). What have these 2 cases common?

1) I managed to gather a lot stuff in short time.

2) I didnt want share all my stuff (i shared food (butchered in second case) in both cases and foraged/botanized items in first case) because that ruines all joy from hoarding.

3) Others wanted full acccess to my stuff so they can take my stuff. 

4) After I refused i was harassed and kicked out from deed eventually. Only because I wanted that part of my items stays only mine. So I could sell them later. I can hardly make a trade if I cant be 100% sure that item will be in bsb after i promise that item to customer for a coin. If private property is crime i am guilty.

5) Oversharing doesnt work. History of communisms in 20th century is enough to see how it ends when is shared 100% or almost 100% property. They have full mouth of sharing. If they try to recreate communist utopias in game they should leave me out of it. And tell me about that beforehand before I joined their deed. It leads only to conflicts. We are all equals but mayors are more equals than others. That leads to attemps to use that power to make private property common. But it is only common by name because the highest control of common stuff have always mayor. So animals are equal but some are more equal than others. It is conflict of 2 principles common versus private property. If I was fully informed beforehand about rules on their deeds i would never join their deed and all these conficts could be avoided. 

6) Private ownership lead to more activity (that is why I managed to gather in short time much more than they) than common ownership. That leads to envy. Envy leads to greediness. Greediness leads to kicking me out from village, harassment and theft. Mayors behave like little Stalins in the end.

 

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2 hours ago, Ainelan said:

Yeah it was solved partially 2 months ago but not perfectly if you still have stuff which you stole from me. Do not lie again. Problem is in greediness and attempts to take advantages of new players (on PvE and on PvP). What have these 2 cases common?

1) I managed to gather a lot stuff in short time.

2) I didnt want share all my stuff (i shared food (butchered in second case) in both cases and foraged/botanized items in first case) because that ruines all joy from hoarding.

3) Others wanted full acccess to my stuff so they can take my stuff. 

4) After I refused i was harassed and kicked out from deed eventually. Only because I wanted that part of my items stays only mine. So I could sell them later. I can hardly make a trade if I cant be 100% sure that item will be in bsb after i promise that item to customer for a coin. If private property is crime i am guilty.

5) Oversharing doesnt work. History of communisms in 20th century is enough to see how it ends when is shared 100% or almost 100% property. They have full mouth of sharing. If they try to recreate communist utopias in game they should leave me out of it. And tell me about that beforehand before I joined their deed. It leads only to conflicts. We are all equals but mayors are more equals than others. That leads to attemps to use that power to make private property common. But it is only common by name because the highest control of common stuff have always mayor. So animals are equal but some are more equal than others. It is conflict of 2 principles common versus private property. If I was fully informed beforehand about rules on their deeds i would never join their deed and all these conficts could be avoided. 

6) Private ownership lead to more activity (that is why I managed to gather in short time much more than they) than common ownership. That leads to envy. Envy leads to greediness. Greediness leads to kicking me out from village, harassment and theft. Mayors behave like little Stalins in the end.

 

 

Number 2 and the agreement on our deed was we shared resources. I personally didn't go to where you were putting stuff until I went to drop off a bunch of logs since I noticed you were making a lot of wood based objects. You can call us thieves all you want but we shared all of our resources with you and then you decided to start locking everything up, which I found out when we noticed some of our High QL ore was going missing and there was only 3 of us working on the deed, and I kindly asked you to unlock the BSB's. You were given 2 weeks to unlock them and honor the deal set when you joined the deed and then you were booted. You then spent the next few days screaming in local about us "being thieves" and causing damage to the outskirts of our deed where we were trying to put in the highway to connect to the one that was being built to our east toward our lands. A GM got involved, looked at what was going on between everyone, and made a decision it was harassment and sent you away taking your BSB's and carts. You need to let all this crap go when you are the one who doesn't want to be a team player. If you want to lock everything down so no one is allowed to share resources, start your own deed and do not invite anyone. Shared resources, if people respect it, helps a gaming community increase especially on PVP because holes can be patched as found by using resources everyone gathered.

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Just joined this forum to put the record straight.

 

1. Ainelan was informed of deed policy of having both private and shared space when he joined. I went to starter to escort him to the deed. He was offered a plot within the security of the deed walls to build his house. He selected a spot, but did not start building.

2. He proceeded to build at least a dozen storage containers, including bsbs crates and chests, and five or six carts, all scattered around our shared crafting area. He was asked to move them to his own private plot, because they were causing an obstruction (not because anyone wanted to steal his stuff). He has 40 fine carp skills, so it's not as if he lacks the skills to plan build and lock his own private space. 

3. He locked all containers and asked me to extend the deed so that he could build a bigger warehouse for his hoard.

4. I refused and we agreed that he would move his stuff out since his philosophy of rent-free hoarding was not working for us. He did not move his stuff out. Because it's all locked, we could not move it out of our way either.

5. He informed me when I logged on one afternoon, after seven days of this madness,  that he had seen a suspect name in local (three hours before)  but had not alerted anyone of this. This is from the guy who said he wanted to be "the eyes and ears of the alliance". 

6. I gave him ten minutes to leave at this point, and some of his stuff outside the deed perimeter was subsequently looted (not by me). 

7. The next day Ukash put him KOS.

 

The way I see it, is that several players have been generous and open towards  him - one mayor paid his premium, a second mayor gave him a week of shelter and food, and in both cases he abused their hospitality. It's not a communist plot. There's a reason why mayors have more powers and can decide on deed policies:  it's because they and their committed village members are paying real money to provide the security that all villagers enjoy. On a pvp server, parasites and solo hoarders are at best a nuisance and at worst a security risk. Many players would see them as roadkill, regardless of their nominal faction, because they are not contributing to the faction objectives. 

 

 I see a pattern of behaviour here that isn't going to make him any friends, and an inablity to take advice from more experienced players or learn from mistakes. Either that or an agent provocateur who is setting out to cause maximum drama. 

 

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Well we hate a good lought about his spam to the Chancelor in the alliance discord. I shuld look if he is on the KOS from ZW to if not I will maybe set him since we have a strict anti troll policety on our deed.

Can a Moderator close this pls? There was allredy a GM involved in his case and every evidance look like he is in the wronge and I would like to stop feeding the troll at this point. I dont have enough popcorn at home for so many salt its allredy to mutch from the Skirmish thred in the Theater and I think we all don´t need more.

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You are the liar here and it was solved 100% by the GM and you are doing exactly the opposite of what they told you to do now.

1) I managed to gather a lot stuff in short time. who cares

2) I didnt want share all my stuff (i shared food (butchered in second case) in both cases and foraged/botanized items in first case) because that ruines all joy from hoarding.

3) Others wanted full acccess to my stuff so they can take my stuff. False, we only used the crates to fill with logs and made you more crates

4) After I refused i was harassed and kicked out from deed eventually. Only because I wanted that part of my items stays only mine. So I could sell them later. I can hardly make a trade if I cant be 100% sure that item will be in bsb after i promise that item to customer for a coin. If private property is crime i am guilty. No we had rules states when you joined the deed, and you broke the rules, we put a sign down in 3 languages for you to unlock the crates and you decided not to and we removed you.

5) Oversharing doesnt work. History of communisms in 20th century is enough to see how it ends when is shared 100% or almost 100% property. They have full mouth of sharing. If they try to recreate communist utopias in game they should leave me out of it. And tell me about that beforehand before I joined their deed. It leads only to conflicts. We are all equals but mayors are more equals than others. That leads to attemps to use that power to make private property common. But it is only common by name because the highest control of common stuff have always mayor. So animals are equal but some are more equal than others. It is conflict of 2 principles common versus private property. If I was fully informed beforehand about rules on their deeds i would never join their deed and all these conficts could be avoided. 

6) Private ownership lead to more activity (that is why I managed to gather in short time much more than they) than common ownership. That leads to envy. Envy leads to greediness. Greediness leads to kicking me out from village, harassment and theft. Mayors behave like little Stalins in the end. You had no issues with the rules when i paid your premium, and you were i think you said 2 days new to the game, and we were more than open with communication. You are just trolling now it seems.

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ad Radics: I was never on alliance discord so I could not trolled him there. Message sent to Chancellor was written in roleplay spirit. If you cant see difference between roleplaying and trolling that is not my fault.

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ad: Callinden Nothing what you wrote cleans you from sins of stealing. You can rationalize your actions how you want but theft is theft.. 

 

ad 1 yes but then you changed your policy,you wanted from me to unlock all my bsbs so that was end of private ownership for me at that point so you changed rules after I move all that stuff inside if I knew that

you forbid private ownership for me I would move somewhere else. If I knew that you forbid me private ownership I would never join your deed and we would not have this problem. Interesting that you was nice to me until you discovered I locked my things after that you became passive agressive and all ended in committing of crime of theft by you.

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You have stollen my time on the shytter

I want it back

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ad Loggy There was no rules.

ad 3 yes and then Pherikfox stole them again so 1st theft then 1 compensation and then 2nd theft So you are lying again. (I was talking about bsbs not about crates) You just wanted confiscate all my stuff. 

ad 4 you never told me your rules beforehand you only gave me ultimatum after I locked my bsbs after your first theft so I decided to leave your deed with all my stuff. And you moved my stuff back twice once on your deed and once on deed where was KoS on me so I could not have access to my things. Was it yours? No. So why did you touch it? Only another griefing and harassment from your side. You just wanted my stuff. Dont hide your greediness, griefing and harassment. You behaved like little Stalin. And you had that audacity after this to call GM and you lied to him that I harassed you? I have no words I could describe your despicable behaviour. Dont hide yourself behind your disgusting lies.

 

If this is way how you treat new players then I dont wonder why so many people left this game for good. This and similar toxic behaviour made this game less healthy and must be stopped. WO is very good game but rather than have conflicts with people like you is better to play another games. Toxic community will kill this game. I hope GMs will do something about this and similar behaviour because otherwise I do not see future for this game positively.

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Speaking as an outsider who is not involved in any of this: 

 

@Ainelan- You should probably stop. You're making yourself look worse with every post. You had other Forum-goers against you before the other side had a say. Once they came in to share their side of it with chat logs, your accusations started looking worse and worse. Do yourself a favor and stop. While you're partially correct that toxic communities damage games (not kill them, mind you - League of Legends is notorious as having an extremely toxic community, and it's still going strong), it's not completely clear who the toxic parties are, and your own behavior here is likely to convince people that you are, not the people you're accusing. 

 

If you're right, then let it die, and repair your own reputation. You are not some community paladin, charged with exposing bad people, and attempting to set yourself up as such only makes you look bad. Their own misdeeds will eventually be exposed through abusing others. 

 

If you're wrong - and you know better than anyone what you did, and whether it was supportive or abusive of the Communities you joined - then you really need to stop and slink away. You're only digging a grave for yourself here. 

 

Good communities thrive with communication and cooperation. Good community members improve and highlight the good, not the bad. You're spending far too much time trying to bring others down, rather than trying to fix, repair, and improve. 

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This name and shame thread seemed to have devolved into nothing constructive. Both sides have expressed their views and had their say and people can make their own judgement. For that reason I'm locking this thread.

Regards
Shakys (Assistant Lead Forum Moderator)

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