Visible player skills

[TheTrickster 2,284]

41 minutes ago, Etherdrifter said:

Officialising it would just let folks show off a bit more, which is all most people play wurm to do anyway.

 

No, the OP is not about allowing folks to show off, it is about scoping them (hence "if you don't like me doing it then you need to stay away from me" type comments).

 

As to what most people play Wurm to do, none of us has the data to say anything about that. You could run a poll, but there is a problem of only those who care enough to respond self-selecting, what scope there is for nuanced answers, and frankly the honesty and self awareness of the responders.   I can speak for me, though, and I think I am definitively NOT playing Wurm to compete with anyone.  I think I frustrate Finn no end when he tries to give me advice on "better" ways to do things, and how to gain skills faster.  That just gets no traction with me because I don't care enough about that.   Anyway, "in PVE you are only competing with yourself" is a common enough theme to make the proposition that most are playing to show off... something... distinctly unlikely.

 

Bear in mind that while THIS topic is "I want to be able to assess the skills of other players who are just minding their own business" the OP has also specifically asked for the ability to kill other players in PvE.  The whole situation then seems like "compete" really means "gank", and this player really wants to kill other players but only those who a) don't want to fight and b) are weaker.

[Nekojin 197]

3 hours ago, Etherdrifter said:

 

Ah, so you would also be in favour of removing ingame titles, as those also place pressure upon players to compete?  Surely they perform a similar function, namely showing off a skill level achieved?

You're correct that the titles and the scoreboards serve similar functions, but they are not the same, and the differences are far more significant than the similarities.

 

The Title system is both entirely opt-in and modular - and, at best, is only a tiny glimpse of the person's skills. That's a far cry from being able to know everything about a person just by getting physically close to them or looking on a scoreboard. Knowledge that the titles exist, and what they're awarded for, increase the pressure for players to achieve, not compete, because it's an internal, self-selected objective. A universal scoreboard, on the other hand, is inherently competitive, and changes the framing and mindset of people from the very onset.

 

 

Edited September 19, 2020 by Nekojin
Reframing my point

[TheTrickster 2,284]

3 hours ago, TheTrickster said:

 

No, the OP is not about allowing folks to show off, it is about scoping them (hence "if you don't like me doing it then you need to stay away from me" type comments).

 

As to what most people play Wurm to do, none of us has the data to say anything about that. You could run a poll, but there is a problem of only those who care enough to respond self-selecting, what scope there is for nuanced answers, and frankly the honesty and self awareness of the responders.   I can speak for me, though, and I think I am definitively NOT playing Wurm to compete with anyone.  I think I frustrate Finn no end when he tries to give me advice on "better" ways to do things, and how to gain skills faster.  That just gets no traction with me because I don't care enough about that.   Anyway, "in PVE you are only competing with yourself" is a common enough theme to make the proposition that most are playing to show off... something... distinctly unlikely.

 

Bear in mind that while THIS topic is "I want to be able to assess the skills of other players who are just minding their own business" the OP has also specifically asked for the ability to kill other players in PvE.  The whole situation then seems like "compete" really means "gank", and this player really wants to kill other players but only those who a) don't want to fight and b) are weaker.

 

In addition, this same player also want to cap or limit skills by server.  There seems to be not only a firm conviction that the PVE game is a player-versus-player competition but a desire to force this competition onto all players everywhere even if their own gameplay is completely non-competitive, limiting what players can do with their own experience in a way that is antithetical to the entire "sandbox" nature of Wurm.  The more suggestions I read from this poster, the more convinced I am that what they should be doing is creating their own WU server and enjoying the version of Wurm that they want without trying to change everybody else's experience.  Let them set up their own Wurld, and if it is dramatically more popular than WO than more power to them.

[Demonix 79]

On 9/17/2020 at 9:03 AM, Darnok said:

Give the possibility to view the skills of other players on the same principle as we can see what they are wearing.

 

Nice troll, kid.

[SirJadyn 18]

-1

Not a fan of this, although I post my skills and run my 90 titles because I choose to, doesn't mean everyone wants there stuff displayed just because someone is standing near them. Niarja exists to display your skills if people have so chosen to do so.

A side note, really not great if you attack the people commenting on this thread and claim "I have Premium, You have Premium so I should be able to do this or that." That's a good way to get people to tell you to go scratch as most have done. Stomping your feet and acting like a child will get you treated as such, as it would appear with your list of "suggestions" most have absolutely no reason to be implemented and some break the game if they were to be added.

The overwhelming response is not to add this as there is no reason for it, if I want to display my skills I have the option to add my 90 titles and post to Niarja, it should not be forced as a popup above someones head or on the inspect.

Also, you haven't even read most of these peoples comments you just respond back with some cry baby crap that you pay for premium like we all do and that gives you some magical right to look at my stuff or someone else's stuff, then claim that you are being attacked for having an "Opinion."

You're being "attacked" for stomping your feet like a child and getting aggressive with people putting in their Opinions on your Suggestion, if you can't take criticism or being called stupid or the likes for putting up a suggestion that is Questionable think before you post it.

[Darnok 200]

3 hours ago, SirJadyn said:

-1

Not a fan of this, although I post my skills and run my 90 titles because I choose to, doesn't mean everyone wants there stuff displayed just because someone is standing near them. Niarja exists to display your skills if people have so chosen to do so.

A side note, really not great if you attack the people commenting on this thread and claim "I have Premium, You have Premium so I should be able to do this or that." That's a good way to get people to tell you to go scratch as most have done. Stomping your feet and acting like a child will get you treated as such, as it would appear with your list of "suggestions" most have absolutely no reason to be implemented and some break the game if they were to be added.

The overwhelming response is not to add this as there is no reason for it, if I want to display my skills I have the option to add my 90 titles and post to Niarja, it should not be forced as a popup above someones head or on the inspect.

Also, you haven't even read most of these peoples comments you just respond back with some cry baby crap that you pay for premium like we all do and that gives you some magical right to look at my stuff or someone else's stuff, then claim that you are being attacked for having an "Opinion."

You're being "attacked" for stomping your feet like a child and getting aggressive with people putting in their Opinions on your Suggestion, if you can't take criticism or being called stupid or the likes for putting up a suggestion that is Questionable think before you post it.

 

I have read them all, I just disagree with them.

 

I deal with the criticism, the problem is that the critics have stopped using arguments and started to focus on me personally.

That kind of discussion with stupid people doesn't get you anywhere. I gave everyone arguments for my idea, and the only answer on the other side was "no, because I don't want to", it is childish.

 

I like to live among honest people, but as you can see most of the community here are crooks who want to use the lack of information about themselves to get advantage over other people in a game for which we pay real money. I do not like it (but I like concept of Wurm freedom in reshaping virtual world).
Look at forum, it's free, but I can check a lot of information about you and you can view my profile. Why it is allowed? Privacy doesn't work here?

 

[Oblivionnreaver 5,174]

11 minutes ago, Darnok said:

but as you can see most of the community here are crooks who want to use the lack of information about themselves to get advantage over other people in a game for which we pay real money

that doesn't even make sense, if you see someone selling x quality item it can be assumed their skill is equal or above what they're making, that's the dumbest scapegoat i think i've ever heard in this game, not to mention your idea does nothing to combat it as they could just hide on a deed or something (something you suggest to get around people examining your skills)

[Locath 531]

15 minutes ago, Darnok said:

and the only answer on the other side was "no, because I don't want to", it is childish.

The only opposing argument you have shown (other than made up inequality, disadvantage or dishonestly arguments) is that you -want to see them-.

 

Lets analyse this:

If someone doesn't want you to know their skills because they are dishonest, you don't tell them yours.

If you are paying real money; so do most of them.

Analysis complete.

 

The suggestion was made. Comments were provided. People (users/customers/players, whatever you want to call them) agree that this is not something desired by the community.

 

[Bachus 462]

On 9/17/2020 at 10:30 AM, Darnok said:

 

Well it is your choice. I don't see reason why people would like to hide their skills in PvE other than to harm people near by. I like to be honest with everybody, why you are not? In the real world, you claim to be an employee of Company X, if you are really working for Company Y? Probably not, so why is it allowed here?

How does hiding my skill harm anyone in any way? = it does not

But you knowing my skill can lead to begging, demanding, and even griefing if I don't give in to your demands of me to make something for you. I have already experienced this even without broadcasting my skills and your suggestion would only make things worse.

IRL I am a Chef but I do not have it tattooed on my forehead, and even people that know I am a chef may not know I have mad carpentry skills and grew up raising horses but if they talk to me I might tell them.

The only reason for you te so insistent on this and believe it harmful for you not to know is that you are one of those that would beg, demand, or grief to get what you want.

[Darnok 200]

1 hour ago, Bachus said:

How does hiding my skill harm anyone in any way? = it does not

But you knowing my skill can lead to begging, demanding, and even griefing if I don't give in to your demands of me to make something for you. I have already experienced this even without broadcasting my skills and your suggestion would only make things worse.

IRL I am a Chef but I do not have it tattooed on my forehead, and even people that know I am a chef may not know I have mad carpentry skills and grew up raising horses but if they talk to me I might tell them.

The only reason for you te so insistent on this and believe it harmful for you not to know is that you are one of those that would beg, demand, or grief to get what you want.

 

Read my posts, I explained it many times I don't feel like copying the same text would make it clearer.

 

So the fact that someone asks you for a favor is wrong, but the fact that you are hiding what you can do and possibly stealthily gathering material for developing skills that nobody knows about is good in your opinion?

 

Knowing what other people have skills would end many unnecessary questions. At the moment, no one is trying to test you and ask what you can do?

If my idea would be implemented you could choose an area where people would not demand anything from you, if it is problem for you. You do not have this option at the moment, so you are concerned about players who would like to use your skills, but you don't know who would need something from you, if you don't know his skills.

Your example shows quite well where the source of this problem lies.

Edited September 19, 2020 by Darnok

[SirJadyn 18]

No one is stealth gathering anything, not to mention the shear amount of public resources that people have allowed anyone on the server access to makes any point you're trying to convey invalid.

 

Please go troll somewhere else, nobody has time for a 12yr old with too much time on his hands.

[Chakron 1,025]

2 hours ago, SirJadyn said:

No one is stealth gathering anything

 

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[Amata 400]

3 hours ago, Darnok said:

Knowing what other people have skills would end many unnecessary questions.

 

On one hand, I want to point out that talking to other people  is not "unnecessary." At its core, your suggestion would use a game mechanic to automate something that is currently being handled simply by using human interaction. Human interaction in a MMO is not a "problem" that needs a "solution" suggested to fix it. 

On the other hand, there's an easy way to support your playstyle that does not require the devs to implement a new game mechanic. If you would like to play on a PvE server, but would like to know who in the immediate area is the most skilled at which activities and abilities - I would suggest that you got to the Recruitment forum and spend time time hunting for a village to join. 

They come in multiple shapes and sizes, and with a variety of services and resources for citizens. Many villages organize their citizens by "job" or the function they specialize for the community (although nothing is stopping them from also bringing up other skills and eventually maxing out everything). So you can go join a village and know who to go to for blacksmithing, who is doing the mining and can bring back that high level ore you need, who is the farmer, and the animal handler, and the cooks supplying the village with affinity pizzas. 

You really don't need to know the skill set and specialties of everyone you might happen to meet - you just need to know that information for your Local neighborhood. Join a village, satisfy your problem, and stop trying to make it everybody else's problem, too. 

[Pandalet 1,848]

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