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Shield bashing changes in pve

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Some changes to shield bashing to make it more bearable to grind without abusing alts in pvp lands

 

- Make it so that a mob being stunned does not interrupt your shield bash. If anything it being stunned already should make it easier to shield bash

- Reduce/remove the cooldown, but make it so you can only stun once per 30 seconds, any shield bashes in that time will just be shrugged off but still give skillgain

- Reduce the difficulty for passive/weaker mobs. At 1 skill it's extremely hard to actually hit shield bashes unless you starve a mob down to near-death. You could also make it so failed shield bashes have a chance to give skillgain until 20ish skill too.

- Make shield bashing use coc from the shield

- Remove the sudden drop in skillgain (around 1/10 what you'd get beforehand) at 50 skill.

 

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Is there any skill difficulty to shield bashing in Pve? I mean does succesfully bashing a troll give more skill than bashing a sheep?

 

Asking the real questions here, so many years playing and I got only 50 shield bashing.

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8 minutes ago, elentari said:

Is there any skill difficulty to shield bashing in Pve? I mean does succesfully bashing a troll give more skill than bashing a sheep?

 

Asking the real questions here, so many years playing and I got only 50 shield bashing.

I don't fight sheep so really can't compare but it does seem to me that trolls give the better skill gains all around compared to other lesser agros. I have no real data to prove that though. Could be my bias as I really do like fighting trolls. lol

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10 minutes ago, elentari said:

Is there any skill difficulty to shield bashing in Pve? I mean does succesfully bashing a troll give more skill than bashing a sheep?

based on mob body control and fat layers, trolls are low body control and dont gain fat layers well dur to being carnivores so theyre actually pretty easy to bash

 

works like other skills if you succeed by too much no gain

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Bump, as with the new rules making engaging in "pvp activities" on an enemy kingdom account bannable and therefore making the only reasonable way of grinding this skill against the rules as far as i can tell, would be a good time to look into changing it so it's not another massive window of opportunity.

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On 8/27/2020 at 9:31 PM, Oblivionnreaver said:

- Make it so that a mob being stunned does not interrupt your shield bash. If anything it being stunned already should make it easier to shield bash

+1 for just this reason let alone all other valid points.

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8 hours ago, Oblivionnreaver said:

Bump, as with the new rules making engaging in "pvp activities" on an enemy kingdom account bannable and therefore making the only reasonable way of grinding this skill against the rules as far as i can tell, would be a good time to look into changing it so it's not another massive window of opportunity.

oh god I didn't think of this

please devs fix this

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bump, you're still skilling ~250x faster by bashing enemy kingdom alts on pvp. fix the disparity

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4171e0b048f0687236f2ee75d44f7ead.png a comparison of skillgain, longsword at 97-98 is >2x faster than shield bashing at 53-54 (shield bashing the second it's off cooldown the entire time, luring mobs on alt to fight non-stop). Gains are with SB/full caffeine. At these rates, 50-60 would take around 250 sleep powder and a couple weeks of your life spent hunting nonstop.

 

@Darklordscan you look into this seeing as shield bashing is literally a pvp requirement

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Please prioritize this skillgain fix. It would be useful not only for the pvp crowd but there's plenty of hunters on freedom side that use shields and bash mobs in combat as well. 

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+1. Not only should this be fixed simply because it's broken, I think it would also help shields to become a less irrelevant option in the PvE scene.

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6 hours ago, Trash said:

Don't be lazy

you bashed alts to grind rakki and have pok+bonus shield bashing gains on defiance lol no need to be weird in suggestions

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pok+sb+aff food+vynora; no coffee or perm aff

can't say I spam to get every possible bash action with the timers, grinding shields for memes, literally

** NOT using optimized targets for such gains or occurrence rate

[00:26:31] Shield bashing increased by 0.0031 to 50.2139
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it's slow but effortless active grind

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bump still bad

 

On 5/12/2023 at 8:46 PM, Finnn said:

00:26:31] Shield bashing increased by 0.0031 to 50.2139
[01:43:53] Shield bashing increased by 0.0031 to 50.3283

 

it's slow but effortless active grind

it's extremely slow on pve yes that's the point of the suggestion. it's a hell of a lot faster abusing alts

 

 [13:33:58] Shield bashing increased by 0.0021 to 59.9469 [13:33:58] Shield bashing increased by 0.0041 to 59.9510 one pvp shield bash, no sb, no skillgain bonuses

 [12:22:13] Shield bashing increased by 0.0007 to 59.9608 one pve shield bash, no sb, no skillgain bonuses

 

pvp shield bashes give triple tick size, chance for another tick with double tick size (pve has this but due to it requiring damage doesn't start happening until 20-30 skill then at 50 skill it's removed for some reason, alongside skillgain getting nuked like all combat subskills do at 50) and massively higher tick frequency, my logs have general mob-cide at <10% of shield bashes giving ticks because no mobs have enough body control/fat layers to balance difficulty against. that 80 minutes of hunting grinding you did is comparable to 4 shield bashes against an alt in pvp lands assuming stacking the same skillgain bonuses

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I agree with this change.

 

Almost all the accounts that actually have 70+ bashing did so using enemy kingdom alts, and that shouldn't be a thing. It should really be brought in line to be grindable without that for how strong it is.

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