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10 hours ago, Votip said:

i am not playing on defiance but i know from chaos experience how lack of horses is annoying and prevents pvp instead of encouraging to doing it

+1, horses are only a tool like anvil or pickaxe


If you are not even playing on defiance, and are not even a breeder. Then why are you even trying to change mechanics that are not even going to effect you? If this gets changed, it effects breeders hard and defiance. 

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4 minutes ago, Etherdrifter said:

Seems to me like the only good argument for this is "it would make PvP better".

 

Why not just limit the effect to PvP server then?  If they want faster horse breeding, give it to them and see how it goes.  If it borks something, just roll back, remove the new horses, problem solved right?

it had been literally stated on the beginning

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3 minutes ago, Etherdrifter said:

Seems to me like the only good argument for this is "it would make PvP better".

 

Why not just limit the effect to PvP server then?  If they want faster horse breeding, give it to them and see how it goes.  If it borks something, just roll back, remove the new horses, problem solved right?


Faster breeding is already here. Now they wanna make it mega fast because they keep killing their horses and not having dedicated breeders to resupply in a reliable manner. 

No, breeding is not the issue here. Maybe pvp tactics are, maybe not. What about rethinking horse armour  or even the tough bugger and fighting fiercely traits? Protect the horses instead of ###### over breeders and changing their gameplay. 

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1 minute ago, Oblivionnreaver said:

defiance also has faster breeding

 

you literally fell right into arguing against something thats already in the server with bad logical fallacies

 

How would I know?
I don't play on any PvP sort of servers. Though I find it funny that if it does infact already have faster rates, we're crying for even more faster rates?
I found it curious how some posts were talking about foals being produced within a day or two, which is already ridiculously fast!
Even faster breeding isn't a solution either way you look at it, learning to deal with whatever challenges you may be facing is the answer here. Isn't that what PvP is about?
Strategy? Proper tactics moving forward?
I may not PvP in Wurm but I've had my fair share of PvP in other far more intense PvP games. "When life hands you lemons, make lemonade." It's true for this game, every other game, PvP and PvE alike.

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I think this is a problem of attitude, rather than breeding numbers, caused by a number of factors. Defiance is a brand new server, populated by hundreds of players who have vast experience but started out, universally, without developed skills. Naturally, it being a PvP server, people are going to want to PvP, and set out to get the required equipment to PvP as soon as possible. Breeding times have already been drastically shortened to help this.

 

However, as I've often said, Wurm is a marathon, not a sprint. Even with those shortened breeding times, people are still lacking good numbers of horses. Given that Defiance is so new, this doesn't surprise me; the horse production farms of old didn't exist when the server began, demand is much higher due to high player numbers, horse breeders all started from scratch, and the nature of the skill involved meant they couldn't possibly level as fast as someone who can sit at a forge all day. Thus, there appears to be, for now, a shortage of horses. People are not happy about this, hence the existence of this thread, and want breeding times to be obliterated even more than they already have been.

 

I'm not going to comment on the nature of PvP requiring a lot of horses; I lack knowledge of these things, but requiring a mount for PvP makes entirely logical sense. But thinking of horses as nothing more than 'equipment' has led to this clamour for yet more evisceration of breeding. Horses cannot be compared to the weapons and armour that smiths can mass-produce. They're living creatures, with all the quirks that entails, and breeding them is a specialism that demands more time and attention than mere smithing (I say this as a smith who has a glorious 1.00 in Animal Husbandry). It takes a work of minutes to make a sword; breeding a good horse takes so much longer, and that is simple logic. If people are going to treat their horses as nothing more than another PvP-enabling tool, without recognising that they are fundamentally different, then that is why this desire to make breeding faster arises.

 

And that is why I cannot support making breeding even faster than it is already. Treat everything the same and all your Wurm devolves down to is numbers on a screen. Rather than clamouring for ever-faster breeding times, I suggest simply applying patience; wait for the breeders to build up their skills and herds, wait for them to get to the spells that will enable better breeding, wait for this server to mature, rather than rushing in for the quick fix that, ultimately, will dilute the Wurm experience.

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14 minutes ago, Zera said:

Because no one cares, they're only focused on their wants for a setting change.
Tunnel vision, happens a lot and I'm not one bit surprised.


The numbers they are saying they are losing is not even that many horses to me. The faster breeding is crazy as it is. I would have 400 horses atm if i just had the room. 

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This suggestion reduces depth from the game. I can understand a need for fast-paced PvP but I personally like this game precisely because the resources are somewhat scarce and it's slow-paced in its attempt to be a bit more realistic. The breeding already is extremely fast compared to Freedom and I don't really like it. If you guys want there to be a higher amount of horses for PvP available, think of a solution that does not take away from the best advantage this game has, but perhaps instead adds to it. I currently can't think of such solution on the developer side of things but perhaps if it did exist I would be willing to agree with it. One player solution I can think of is: raise animal husbandry and breed more horses in more places.

 

21 minutes ago, Votip said:

yes you could literally buy 3723193 horses from freedom isles

 

How did it work for 10 or so years of Chaos before creature cages were a thing? Without faster breeding too?

 

10 hours ago, Jaz said:

That 25 horses may easily be lost in a single fight if 15 people commit to it. Luckily currently we see those numbers from time to time.

Having horses as a shortage reduces intention to PVP - you usually cannot loot horses from a fight unlike the rest of the gear. So horses are the resources that don't cycle around between parties like say armours and horsegear.

EDIT: if I worry to enter a fight it is not because I can die or lose my stuff, it is the fear of losing the horse. That should not be more a problem than other stuff to regear.

 

Personally, horses being less abundant than armor and weapons makes the game more realistic to me. I'm not sure why it being harder than regearing is an issue in itself? It worked pretty much the same historically irl.

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27 minutes ago, WittleBunnBun said:


If you are not even playing on defiance, and are not even a breeder. Then why are you even trying to change mechanics that are not even going to effect you? If this gets changed, it effects breeders hard and defiance. 

because pvp experience was the best experience that i had in this game and i dont want people discouraged because they cant do pvp properly

 

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Protect the horses instead of ###### over breeders and changing their gameplay. 

With this attitude i only wish you luck on pvp

 

 

blood out

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31 minutes ago, WittleBunnBun said:

No, breeding is not the issue here. Maybe pvp tactics are, maybe not. What about rethinking horse armour  or even the tough bugger and fighting fiercely traits? Protect the horses instead of ###### over breeders and changing their gameplay. 



 

 

8 minutes ago, Votip said:
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Protect the horses instead of ###### over breeders and changing their gameplay. 

With this attitude i only wish you luck on pvp


Why don't you actually quote ppl correctly instead of only what you want. :)

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6 minutes ago, WittleBunnBun said:

Why don't you actually quote ppl correctly instead of only what you want. :)

 

What do you mean? He quoted whole sentences. And how about you stay on topic :)

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18 minutes ago, Votip said:

With this attitude i only wish you luck on pvp

I will never understand folks who want to get mad with someone else calling them out for attempting to change their gameplay.

 

What you're wanting here isn't effecting you, but it is effecting someone else and they're calling you out on it.

You have no room here to push against someone else who is effected by a change vs yourself who isn't.

 

I also find it funny that these people who are wanting "Faster breeding" aren't breeders themselves. They're users.
And yes, they're viewing Horses as a Tool. Which on one hand, yes they are. On the other, no they aren't.

Horses are a creature, an animal a "living thing" (forget that we're talking pixels here) and yet we are wanting to treat them identically to something that's cranked out quickly at a Forge.
From what's been said, horses are already being cranked out like weapons at a forge (with a slightly reduced rate) over on Defiance.

The difference being "longer cooldown" and yet we want to eliminate that cooldown? For what? So they can be run off to their death/destruction faster?

 

Hey, I heard Bison are pretty beastly Tanks. Why don't you switch to Bison instead of a Horse. They're less likely to die... If death is your issue.

But unless you participate directly in the thing you're wanting to change (Breeding) don't go trying to change it. Just because you benefit from the outcome.

That'd be like me, a PvE player saying that all Rite of Spring casts need to be able to grant that sweet 5hr Sleep Bonus to ALL players regardless of whether we're a follower or not.
Or that creatures need to be dropping more Hides because I can't "leatherwork" fast enough due to the shortage right now on Harmony...
 

1 minute ago, Miket said:

 

What do you mean? He quoted whole sentences. And how about you stay on topic :)

Quoting whole sentences but taking them out of context is common practice for folks trying to pull only what they want to and twist it for their own argument. This post is off-topic too sir!
BunnBunn has been ontopic this entire thread, but if you're only reading the quotes from Votip you wouldn't see that because of the "picking apart" in the quoting.

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You can breed so many horses in one day, it's not even funny. Not to mention that geared wild horses work perfectly fine as a temporary replacement at this stage.

 

Don't blame the game for poor resource management. 

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