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It's more about trying to get the devs to someday finally get that the code split needs to be real.

 

Take the thread about turning dirt layer to rock..... one objection from PvP (which makes a ton of sense, i'm with them on that one) would be how that would create unmineable walls.  PvE would allow for more loose restrictions on max slopes, but that takes a code split.  Way things are now PvE would ruin PvP badly if it got that suggestion and it were implemented on both sides. 

 

In the same way,  a PvE explorer who's not that big on combat could level taming and basically bring a strong escort, but it's nerfed because, the "(extra)official" version was that some dude started rocking PvP after mastering the taming of champ crocs, it got branded OP and tamed stuff got the CR nerf since.  PvP lost an extra fighting style to play with and against, PvE outright lost a feature's potential.

 

As long as the outright illogical decision to apply the same changes to two entirely different playstyles prevails, there's gonna be friction among its proponents.  The times that code IS split on something, you see little to no friction.

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[tamed crocs, esp champ]

15 minutes ago, Mordraug said:

PvP lost an extra fighting style to play with and against, PvE outright lost a feature's potential

 

Yes, is a shame. Our PvPers are prolly too inflexible for such anyway. I was shocked when they insisted on faster horse breeding on new Elevation instead of regarding a scarce transport and mobile battle resource a chance for warfare instead of their wasteful use of horses. I would also love caravel and possibly cog mounted trebuchets for seaside attacks and possibly naval warfare ;) (damaging and possibly sinking ships by artillery).

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listening to the whiners about uniques that would never leave deed anyway to look for them. So now they become impossible to kill because no one knows they're alive. REALLY?

 

That's right Retrograde wants to remove twitter and ingame notifications. 

 

 

HOW ABOUT YOU ACTUALLY FIX THE UNIQUE ISSUE INSTEAD?

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5 hours ago, Ekcin said:

I assume tamed crocodiles are meant. They indeed have been nerfed due to PvP as I was told. Which of course is a pity as they would allow interesting amphibious warfare but would be hard if not impossible to balance.

 

But, please folks. Such PvP vs. PvE rants do not lead anywhere except towards ripping apart the community and destroying the game. PvP is a valid and relevant element of a sandbox game, whether some like it or not. PvP vs. PvE or vice versa crusades are certainly a method to kill the game.

 

Tamed crocs are no good for amphibious warfare because you dont regain stamina while swimming on them, and if it gets killed you're now drowning in the water

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6 hours ago, Niki said:

listening to the whiners about uniques that would never leave deed anyway to look for them. So now they become impossible to kill because no one knows they're alive. REALLY?

 

That's right Retrograde wants to remove twitter and ingame notifications. 

 

HOW ABOUT YOU ACTUALLY FIX THE UNIQUE ISSUE INSTEAD?

Damnit retro! 

 

Addressing uniques in a major overhaul is coming, this is a short term adjustment just to see how it pans out, we feel the dominance of the existing unique hunting is too heavily biased towards a select few and would like to see about addressing that, our initial run did not include notices and twitter feeds but some players pointed out the issues that could run into, which made sense. 

 

So as a trial we'll be removing that too, yes it may mean less uniques hunted and killed, but we're interested to see how it plays out 

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1 hour ago, Retrograde said:

...this is a short term adjustment just to see how it pans out...

 

@Retrograde pls do not turn uniques into a Rift-esque theme park affair - serve on a platter, ring the dinner bell once every x weeks, have folks turn up in their Sunday cosplay best to swing huge axes for a bit, loot up and roll back home.

 

These have been mentioned in past threads:

- make uniques make noise: dragons roar, drakes shriek, GLs meow, TKs and giants fart or whatever, audible within some radius.

- make uniques leave traces of their passage in the environment: fallen trees, corpses of cows, lambs etc.

 

Let folks use their tracking skill to actually track them: someone riding through the woods notices fallen trees and dead sheeps strewn about, gets off their mount to inspect the ground for tracks. Thus begins the hunt. Meanwhile, a peasant is out foraging for shrooms in another part of the forest, and hears a roar that shatters the serenity and made him ruin his freshly-washed breeches. HALP! He runs back to his village and spreads word of a dragon in the area.

 

 

 

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15 hours ago, Ekcin said:

But, please folks. Such PvP vs. PvE rants do not lead anywhere except towards ripping apart the community and destroying the game.

 

it wouldnt be as hard if you mordraug or madnezz would just outright stop spreading half truths or demand features for pvp that make no sense whatsoever even though you dont play it.

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3 hours ago, Mataleao said:

@Retrograde pls do not turn uniques into a Rift-esque theme park affair - serve on a platter, ring the dinner bell once every x weeks, have folks turn up in their Sunday cosplay best to swing huge axes for a bit, loot up and roll back home.

These have been mentioned in past threads:

- make uniques make noise: dragons roar, drakes shriek, GLs meow, TKs and giants fart or whatever, audible within some radius.

- make uniques leave traces of their passage in the environment: fallen trees, corpses of cows, lambs etc.

Let folks use their tracking skill to actually track them: someone riding through the woods notices fallen trees and dead sheeps strewn about, gets off their mount to inspect the ground for tracks. Thus begins the hunt. Meanwhile, a peasant is out foraging for shrooms in another part of the forest, and hears a roar that shatters the serenity and made him ruin his freshly-washed breeches. HALP! He runs back to his village and spreads word of a dragon in the area.

That wont in any way change the list of names who do, have, had been farming these in private.

I think the reason for the change is to get out of the smelly pile of .. we currently have stepped in..and kept that foot for so long.. could use some washing.

Dragon armor currently does not exist unless you're in the small teams who does it in private, there's no market, it's a monopolism sh.. state in which whoever have it .. can do w/e wants with it.. which could never reach the market or offer more than 1 source of the given goods.

It's a cool single-player game thing to roll.. but this is an MMO, if you are super happy about your situation, many are not so at all happy about the state of the game.

Change's good.. just adapt, was about time. Hopefully.. what gets in next patch wont change anything.. people will still pm same teams to do same thing.

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i don't understand this whole "you can't do it unless you're in the groups" like cant you just make your own group or search by yourself, there's nothing stopping you from doing such a thing except the belief that it's useless, which i guess is a rumor that someone in the groups likes to spread so that they have less competition for finding uniques  :ph34r:

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8 hours ago, Retrograde said:

Damnit retro! 

 

Addressing uniques in a major overhaul is coming, this is a short term adjustment just to see how it pans out, we feel the dominance of the existing unique hunting is too heavily biased towards a select few and would like to see about addressing that, our initial run did not include notices and twitter feeds but some players pointed out the issues that could run into, which made sense. 

 

So as a trial we'll be removing that too, yes it may mean less uniques hunted and killed, but we're interested to see how it plays out 

so is try and error until get something good, like fishing system...
wait fishing system is ######

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new fishing is great once you figure it out, much more enjoyable than old fishing which was pretty much grinding prospecting but generated food

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1 hour ago, tamat said:

so is try and error until get something good, like fishing system...
wait fishing system is ######

I just start to love @tamat's love for fishing... lol

 

5 hours ago, Oblivionnreaver said:

i don't understand this whole "you can't do it unless you're in the groups" like cant you just make your own group or search by yourself, there's nothing stopping you from doing such a thing except the belief that it's useless, which i guess is a rumor that someone in the groups likes to spread so that they have less competition for finding uniques  :ph34r:

Some people have lives and do not metagame with alerts of all kinds to rush toward the gold, what is so strange about it?
Some people just want to play and have fun, occasionally they would also like to gather for events, and NOT to have a specific few who decide if they should have fun or NOT and how much. What's so weird about it?

Seems normal to me.

It's only odd that sh.. did not hit the fan earlier, year/s ago to get a change.. also nothing have changed for now, next patch same people will be penning uniques just instead of alts.. randoms will pm them and tell them exact coords.

 

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On 6/23/2019 at 5:33 PM, Finnn said:

Some people have lives and do not metagame with alerts of all kinds to rush toward the gold, what is so strange about it?

Some people just want to play and have fun, occasionally they would also like to gather for events, and NOT to have a specific few who decide if they should have fun or NOT and how much. What's so weird about it?

Seems normal to me.

 

So you're saying, damn you for putting in the effort?

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i thought he was saying.. endgame content shouldn't be limited to a lucky or overly committed few.
Love isn't effort.
overly committed people don't have more love to pour into it, they have more time, resources, obsession, know-how and quite often, money.
some people only have time for the love of the game, that doesn't leave much room for endgame cultivation considering the number of angles involved in hunting uniques (alts, twitter, etc).
`happy-go-lucky` people, casual gamers and workaholics have a right to this content, they shouldn't have to dilute the fun they have playing this game, to access it.

is what i thought he was saying

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Catering to players who can provide a steady source of income to the game is one way to not kill it... just saying.... 

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1 hour ago, Mordraug said:

Catering to players who can provide a steady source of income to the game is one way to not kill it... just saying.... 

problem is when you "catering" more money than they pay...

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2 hours ago, tamat said:

problem is when you "catering" more money than they pay...

 

More than people who profit from undercutting the game's own website 😉  (since this thread is rife with cans of wurms, may as well commit lol)

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4 hours ago, Mordraug said:

Catering to players who can provide a steady source of income to the game is one way to not kill it... just saying.... 

Well PVP when it's blooming, brings in way more money than PVE, so i guess you are right. We should focus on the pvp. Thank you for clarifying it,

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47 minutes ago, Gladiator said:

Well PVP when it's blooming, brings in way more money than PVE, so i guess you are right. We should focus on the pvp. Thank you for clarifying it,

 

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On 6/23/2019 at 6:33 PM, Finnn said:

I just start to love @tamat's love for fishing... lol

 

Some people have lives and do not metagame with alerts of all kinds to rush toward the gold, what is so strange about it?
Some people just want to play and have fun, occasionally they would also like to gather for events, and NOT to have a specific few who decide if they should have fun or NOT and how much. What's so weird about it?

Seems normal to me.

It's only odd that sh.. did not hit the fan earlier, year/s ago to get a change.. also nothing have changed for now, next patch same people will be penning uniques just instead of alts.. randoms will pm them and tell them exact coords.

 

As I said before. I have a life.

I have a wife, daughter, 3 dogs, 2 cats and i gotta care of em each day. I work at university and additionaly i run own company. 5 days a week. Right now I'm finalising new house deal, what limits my gameplay time by a lot. What's more i still learn and run physics blog as hobby. As for my hobbies it's also painting models, and focusing on several other hobbies like airsoft and collecting. Ad guess what? I also play other games when I can.

 

How much time lefts me for Wurm? Not much lately.

 

BUT when i plan anything. No matter what, i take into calculations all things mentioned above. Sometimes its not possible to have time for all of it, so im going out of wurm for month or two. But usually it is possible to schedule everything without collides. When i wanna find time to play, i find it without more troubles. When i need a time to work or family or other hobbies it's just the same way.

 

"I have life" is no argument to me.

 

But when we go into details, so particular things mentioned above, there are some choises that needs to be done. I have time to play wurm... but i won't find time to do everything in this game. I gotta choose. Build my castle? It's unfinished fo years...  or try to hunt a dragon? Go outside and spend over week looking, most of the times failing and getting back... but also eventually succesing. 

 

How often do you or other blamers choose traveling around Xanadu rather than focusing on VERY OWN deed stuff, crafting and grinding? Only for own good, purpose, income, satisfaction? How many months you spent trying to get your drake armor?

 

I got several hide/ scale armors. I didn't need to go and beg unique hunters for that. My first drske armor i have bought when my highest skill was 75, as pretty much newbie. I didn't pay a single real penny for that. Only in game stuff. So what are yoy talking about? What is impossible, where? Only lately when I proved to myself that i can gather coins for dragon armors without bigger troubles, so for the last one i had to add like 20 euro from own pocket. Only for last dragon armor and only to skip some pointless travels.

 

Your scheduling problems shouldn't affect people, who wants to actually achieve something by really trying.

 

 

Edit: I'm not saying that you shouldnt get dragon armors because you're trying less. You are trying in wrong way, that's it. Because you and everyone else is able to get drake set for faaaar less than i had to earn to get one. Almost half the price. Ok, economy is far worse than several years ago, but still similar effort then.

 

And no, I am not unique hunter. I didn't achieve so hifh to get my name known as a hunter. But I am trying and i would love to be a hunter one day. By all screams and cries, this opportunity to challenge best and compete with them, will be taken away from me. So what else will left me? What else really unique, that othars actually can't get that easy if at all? Because only such challenges interest me. 

 

Same thing was with personal goals change... i was so happy from achieving first win on Xanadu... then 2 or 3 weeks later dozens of players did the same... but without efforts..

 

Actual journey? Its not worth of time. It is easy. And everyone will get all these amusing quests sooner or later, so what's the point?

Edited by Alkhadias

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Reading through the thread and this is all I could think of

pkUMAv9.jpg

 

I'm all for the changes to uniques though, I hope it does add back a lot of the old feeling, but I really cannot help but feel like a lot of the vocal majority are the same people who would never leave deed to search for them at any point anyway.

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5 hours ago, Madnath said:

Reading through the thread and this is all I could think of

pkUMAv9.jpg

 

I'm all for the changes to uniques though, I hope it does add back a lot of the old feeling, but I really cannot help but feel like a lot of the vocal majority are the same people who would never leave deed to search for them at any point anyway.

What is the point of searching when they are penned within an hour of spawning? Not all of us have the inclination to make a gorillion of non prem alts with pendulums nor the time to be online 16+hrs a day to be there when it happens.  Would be nice if we can participate regardless.

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35 minutes ago, Angelklaine said:

What is the point of searching when they are penned within an hour of spawning? Not all of us have the inclination to make a gorillion of non prem alts with pendulums nor the time to be online 16+hrs a day to be there when it happens.  Would be nice if we can participate regardless.

If half the people stopped making excuses, you'd have a group larger than this "alt army" I keep hearing about. I must admit I have yet to see alts being actually used when tracking uniques, even on our home server I've only ever seen the main accounts used.

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