Posted March 21, 2019 (edited) target something out of range - can eat, lead horses, drink wine, reimp your armor or whatever when in combat perhaps you should just fix that bug instead of making it so you cant eat for 10 seconds after? Edited March 21, 2019 by Oblivionnreaver 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 21, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Darklords said: It was tested and confirmed you most certainly could, even if you personally where not using it to eat while in combat it was pretty easy to do once you knew the trick. So why didn't the devs remove "the trick" so you can't eat, drink or whatever while in combat? Sounds more like the issue is identifying when the player is actually in combat. Wouldn't that fix all the issues with doing unintended stuff without nerfing a silly action like eating ? From what people say you seem to also be able to lead a horse with the now famous "trick".. and that's a really bad bug for pvp too.. Edited March 21, 2019 by faty 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 21, 2019 can someone clarify what it means to "put the new hota in the game but leave the old one incase the new one doesn't work" who and how is the success of the new hota system going to be measured, the entire pvp community has already said its not going to work on either server as desired, because the maps are the size of an actual ###### planet and we have no players 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 21, 2019 21 minutes ago, Gladiator said: Then fix the bug, don't add a 10 secunds timer. That's applying a band-aid to a real problem, but in this case, the band-aid's as big as a house. 20 minutes ago, Oblivionnreaver said: target something out of range - can eat, lead horses, drink wine, reimp your armor or whatever when in combat perhaps you should just fix that bug instead of making it so you cant eat for 10 seconds after? Honestly even them being qued up during combat and all instantly eaten the second you break combat for instant stamina you don't need to stop for is not any better than eating it mid fight sandwiches where not intended to be used like that so we have removed the ability to eat them shortly after combat. 5 minutes ago, platinumteef said: the entire pvp community has already said its not going to work on either server as desired, because the maps are the size of an actual ###### planet and we have no players Tweaks can be made to it as it unfolds, if some elements need tweaking or don't work we will be sure to revisit them but we would like to see some actual time go by in game before making any major changes. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, Darklords said: Honestly even them being qued up during combat and all instantly eaten the second you break combat for instant stamina you don't need to stop for is not any better than eating it mid fight sandwiches where not intended to be used like that so we have removed the ability to eat them shortly after combat. So why isn't the entire calculation of either you are or are not in combat increased by 10 seconds after you went out of combat so that it fixes drinking, leading or whatever other action you could have done before while breaking combat ? Why is leading a horse while in combat any different, and not as worse, than being able to eat a sandwich while in combat ? or drink water or repair your sword ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Darklords said: If a troll is on you, kill it wait 10 seconds and continue, where you planning on going up the entire mountain with the troll attacking you? There is also refresh runes and spells I don't think this will cause much issue that cannot be worked around pretty easily. It's not always just a troll. What if you have a dragon on you and trying to get it down from a mountain to slay it. With the low stamina you'll have when using a refresh rune you'll probably have around 30s use timer for that, which is easily enough time for any unique to get a hit on you to interrupt the action. Refresh spell isn't an option either with the 3 minute cooldown it has. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 21, 2019 Jukimo needs to give WU a history lesson. Once upon a time a math genius known as Banzai did a 1v1 on the hill side between Edoras and the ###### hole Dagobert made for JK there. Mechanics didn't allow you to eat a sandwich in combat at all, so little old Asian genius did /stuck while queuing to eat sandwich for stamina to bypass the mechanics not allowing him to eat sandwich in combat. Good ole Jukimo and the EMR boys reported next patch you couldn't use /stuck while in combat anymore. TLDR IT WAS NEVER INTENDED FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO EAT SANDWICH'S MID COMBAT TO REGAIN STAMINA, ANY METHOD USED TO BYPASS IT IS AN EXPLOIT. Also wtb smaller map for new hota system kthx. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 21, 2019 This thread is not the place for KvK drama, Keep the chat civil please and related to the current patch notes. Regards Shakys (Forum Moderator) 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 21, 2019 I think I need to take the time to clear up something. We do not under any circumstances take development actions purely on the demands of a player. When a bug is reported, or a mechanic questioned, it goes to the dev team for discussion. The first step is identifying whether its a bug, a result of unintended mechanics, or intended play. This was a result of unintended mechanics, and from there a discussion about the best way to address the single issue of regaining stamina by eating in combat. We did discuss the other issues raised such as leading out of combat but that's used in pve and breeding, and while it may not be intended it certainly has less impact as the stamina regaining. From there we used the 10 second combat cool down, as this would mean youhave to break combat and wait to eat, but doesn't affect natural stamina regeneration. Tdlr this was identified as unintended mechanics and fixed, not because a kingdom yelled at us to change it. I hope this helps 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 22, 2019 I kind of mentioned 2 issues here already, any reply about that?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 22, 2019 (edited) Haha so u telling me that being able to take lead of a horse during pvp whilst in combat is not busted. Oh i wonder how many players have got away from using that Wait so sry tc not report that yet Stam sandwich = extra stamina to stay in fight or to help u leave Being able to take lead of a horse during pvp = extra cr bonus plus the option to stay in pvp fight or leave Oh i wonder what one is more busted Edited March 22, 2019 by Erin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 22, 2019 People complain for the sake of complaining. Awesome work, thank you for the update! My boy @icenrnstook world first. Icenrns has claimed Battle Camp Archer for The Crusaders! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 22, 2019 (edited) Oh finally leading a horse in combat is out, thanks for the change, if people need 1 cr bonus then don't get dehorsed, or if you need to leave then maybe don't lose your horse *shrugs* Eating stam sandwiches to stay in a fight? That's lame, glad that got pulled out. Better "stamina management" from those dependant on that if you're moaning, much easier eh Can't believe how these people need easy mode. Literally had zero stam issues in all my fights and i didn't have sandwiches, wow, experienced player vs inexperienced player, i sell manuals If you're worried about leaving the fight then make a longer term plan or run away before things get even, oh wait. Explains why I haven't seen 2 champs from enemy kingdom run out of stam like they use to. *shrugs* Good changes. Looking forward to trying out the hotas! If my enemy aren't too concerned about stamina or leaving on horses in combat maybe we can have some sweet fights! Edited March 22, 2019 by Mclavin 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 22, 2019 Its ok cause we all know this no matter what needs fixed and what does not TC have the final say nothing better than having devs in ur pocket 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 22, 2019 Just now, Erin said: Its ok cause we all know this no matter what needs fixed and what does not TC have the final say nothing better than having devs in ur pocket Maybe that's just what happens when one side knows how to report a bug, and the other just vents in here. Report non exploitable bugs here: https://forum.wurmonline.com/index.php?/forum/28-server-bugs/ Exploitable ones, report via /support ingame. 9 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Samool said: Maybe that's just what happens when one side knows how to report a bug, and the other just vents in here. Report non exploitable bugs here: https://forum.wurmonline.com/index.php?/forum/28-server-bugs/ Exploitable ones, report via /support ingame. Thank you for clearing that one. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 22, 2019 Nice to see u all come out of the woodwork Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 22, 2019 14 minutes ago, Samool said: Maybe that's just what happens when one side knows how to report a bug, and the other just vents in here. But no bugs were fixed. The only thing that came to happen was a 10 seconds delay on the action. The only thing that happened is a band aid being applied. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 22, 2019 Whats the fun with infinite stam in fights? Same with horses, thought you had to break combat to lead them unless they are tamed so you could just jump straight on them tho. Why not just report stuff that is broken instead of using it? Not the first time people in your kingdom decided to exploit it instead of reporting and then claim the devs/GM's are in TC's pocket when they report it...*supreme boat* If you can't win without it then maybe go back to the drawing board and come up with a new strategy instead? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 22, 2019 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Samool said: Maybe that's just what happens when one side knows how to report a bug, and the other just vents in here. Report non exploitable bugs here: https://forum.wurmonline.com/index.php?/forum/28-server-bugs/ Exploitable ones, report via /support ingame. or maybe, you know, its the sheer fact that 2 of the current devs are playing in TC, actively its that this will create disputes of interest, since those devs can obviously choose what to work on and what not the stamina thing was just the most recent one, pretty much any update catered to TC apart from the priest one which they just recently got changed aswell, what a surprise, cause they didnt know how to play in that meta Edited March 22, 2019 by Quicktor Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, Quicktor said: or maybe, you know, its the sheer fact that 2 of the current devs are playing in TC, actively its that this will create disputes of interest, since those devs can obviously choose what to work on and what not Which devs are actively playing in TC, out of curiosity? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 22, 2019 Just now, Wonka said: Which devs are actively playing in TC, out of curiosity? @Darklordsand @ausimus 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Wonka said: Which devs are actively playing in TC, out of curiosity? Ausimus, Darklords and even Retro has an account that is TC read above ^ 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 22, 2019 [14:27:50] Archaed is with the The Crusaders. You may not trade with the enemy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 22, 2019 If youre out of combat for 10sec your stamina is gonna regen anyway. Whats the point of sandwiches then? Just fix the bug so you cant queue them in combat. And if the enemy lets you get out of combat and eat a quick sandwich, whats the problem with that? Just keep people in combat and they wont be able to eat 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
