Posted April 24, 2018 (edited) This has always been a problem for me.. I've previously compromised around the issue but occasionally, compromise is impossible without a complete redesign. so, i've abandoned projects unfinished because they look great on the outside.. unfinished on the inside due to game restrictions. This isn't a problem in Wurm Unlimited, there's ways around it. Not so in WO. If i wanted to make a spiral staircase going up the center; I can't without having an empty floor plan on one of the sides one every floor; If i try to remove the floor plan that i don't need the error <Removing that would cause a collapsing section> is returned. As a result, I have to leave the floor plans there; Clearly it makes sense for the openings but Spiral Staircases should be able to stand on their own. My suggestion; Allow us to build free-standing staircases. Edited July 8, 2020 by Steveleeb 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 24, 2018 Can't you do it the old way and connect it with a wall to the roof instead? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 24, 2018 (edited) the point is there's no walls to connect it to, until the top.. unless you add an empty floor plan in the gap. Look at the top picture. There is a gap between the center floor tile and the wall. adding a wall would screw up the symmetry, it'd look bloody awful. also unnecessary, an empty floor plan connects it to a wall. adding a wall so i didn't need an empty floor plan would ruin the design. The walls diagonal to what would be the tile corners don't count, don't function as architectural supports. If it helps, this is what it looks like from the outside; Spoiler Edited April 24, 2018 by Steveleeb Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 24, 2018 (edited) Only fix for this is arched walls up at least on one side, is how I had to do the stairs in the MR Armoury. Maybe experiment with the new arch styles. Edited April 24, 2018 by JakeRivers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 24, 2018 A spiral stair has a thick stone column down the center (at least the stone one does) - it should be able to support itself. +1 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 24, 2018 (edited) That's pretty cool jake, somewhat ingenious.. but a staircase that only travels vertically isn't going to be as tidy as that. I just had a go in deed planner, it was too ugly to screenshot for the purpose of demonstration, it's already fairly cluttered with just the staircase there. Concision in spoiler; Spoiler images courtesy of DeedPlanner A wall from the door to, the staircase does not act like a support because that's merely a tile corner. it has to go alongside (which it does on yours except with your dimensions.. it's underside, which is workable) In the case of a vertical staircase, this means, one side per floor or rotating sides.. being only one tile, there's no way to make it look nice unless i put a normal arch against every side. which i suppose is, a solution as Cecci already mentioned. Once i figure out something nicer than you see here. But.. as Alyeska said.. the bugger has a solid stone shaft going through it, it should support itself. Edited April 24, 2018 by Steveleeb 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 24, 2018 (edited) To generalize, I think we should be able to build a staircase anywhere we could build a wall on the border of that same tile. This would not only allow for the suggestion in this thread, but would also allow us to finally have proper front steps/porch steps on the outside of a building, without needing ugly arches around it and wasting floor plan space. Of course, that would mean new staircase models would need to be implemented that aren't floating off the floor, since the outside of a building would be floorless. Edited April 24, 2018 by Ostentatio 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 24, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Steveleeb said: That's pretty cool jake, somewhat ingenious.. but a staircase that only travels vertically isn't going to be as tidy as that. I just had a go in deed planner, it was too ugly to screenshot for the purpose of demonstration, it's already fairly cluttered with just the staircase there. Concision in spoiler; Hide contents images courtesy of DeedPlanner A wall from the door to, the staircase does not act like a support because that's merely a tile corner. it has to go alongside (which it does on yours except with your dimensions.. it's underside, which is workable) In the case of a vertical staircase, this means, one side per floor or rotating sides.. being only one tile, there's no way to make it look nice unless i put a normal arch against every side. which i suppose is, a solution as Cecci already mentioned. Once i figure out something nicer than you see here. But.. as Alyeska said.. the bugger has a solid stone shaft going through it, it should support itself. Yeah I figured the symmetry would put you off to just do one per side, I was thinking maybe just using T arch's, might not look too bad. Really would be cool to be able to build stairs free standing though, but since stairs are considered to be a floor, wurm construction does not allow for free floating floors to be made due to the limitations of the code. Be nice to see it changed though, as it would open up more design possibilities. Not being able to do a free standing stair case led me to come up with this option for stairs. My original design had the stairs starting from the first floor, but it required a single arch wall to support the first section and by that point my floor space was getting more cluttered than I wanted it to be. Edited April 24, 2018 by JakeRivers 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 24, 2018 16 minutes ago, JakeRivers said: but since stairs are considered to be a floor, wurm construction does not allow for free floating floors to be made due to the limitations of the code. right on. 17 minutes ago, JakeRivers said: Not being able to do a free standing stair case led me to come up with this option for stairs. My original design had the stairs starting from the first floor, but it required a single arch wall to support the first section and by that point my floor space was getting more cluttered than I wanted it to be. yeah man that's a real nice design you've got going on at Mags Run. good share 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites