Posted April 27, 2018 21 minutes ago, Gladiator said: You asked us why we don't bring in randoms for their personal goals aka personal gain/profit in exchange for money. We explained to you why. The risk severely outmatches the rewards. You're too stubborn to understand things = another reason you won't be welcome in PMKs, expecially for a goal True, it was meant metaphorically. And did i ask to be in one. no. but i was offered one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 27, 2018 10 minutes ago, Oblivionnreaver said: So what's the point of this thread, you tell people they should give out the crown to anyone that asks nicely, they say no and you argue with them about why they're wrong? You could get the hots crown and ###### that for personal goals if you'd like, could even have that entrepreneur mindset and sell off crown/kingdom titles with it. Nobody's going to risk their entire kingdom because you sound like a trustworthy guy. I think you missed reading a part of the thread. go back and read it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 27, 2018 Just now, gorgian said: I think you missed reading a part of the thread. go back and read it. Read the whole thing, you said it was funny kingdoms don't put up ads to risk their kingdoms so some random can finish their goals (funny that) in recruiting/classifieds, you said that pvpers are crying about wanting players when offering to help freedom players with their goals does absolutely nothing to increase pvp counts long term as they'd leave after doing goals, you correlated giving people kingdom titles/crown and recruiting new players, again completely seperate things. You pick and choose certain things to comment about every single post yet you ignore 90% of what's said, like some forum bot that's searching for keywords. I honestly can't tell if you're serious or just baiting for fun. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 27, 2018 (edited) @Oblivionnreaver "This thread was only meant as an option to get players over to try pvp. What happens after that is really up to players." I could say the same you pick and choose also but miss things like this. And i never said a kingdom should risk anything, I simply put the option out there. Also if you read the title it's not just kingdoms. maybe you missed that? Edited April 27, 2018 by gorgian Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 27, 2018 24 minutes ago, gorgian said: @Oblivionnreaver "This thread was only meant as an option to get players over to try pvp. What happens after that is really up to players." I could say the same you pick and choose also but miss things like this. And i never said a kingdom should risk anything, I simply put the option out there. Also if you read the title it's not just kingdoms. maybe you missed that? You didn't outright say it, but you went completely crazy about people explaining why its completely illogical for anyone to do that, and as @Oblivionnreaverpointed out, you did it while ignoring the majority of what was said and taking things out of context. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 27, 2018 ""This thread was only meant as an option to get players over to try pvp. What happens after that is really up to players." "Seeing this is slowly becoming a thing on pve side, but a lot of pvers dont want to risk going to any pvp server." Directly conflict with each other. Paying someone to escort you around while you beat up drake spirits and slimes isn't really pvp, if someone's too afraid to go to pvp and do the goals themselves, chances are they're not going to pay someone to let them pvp with them. The only personal goals you'd require help with are title from king and become leader, every other pvp one can be done with just you, your enemy alt/friend and tower guards, therefore you wouldn't need to pay for the time of a budding entrepreneur except for the two kingdom ones, so they're the only ones worth discussing. But hey, if you find someone willing to pay for an escort to a slime of uttacha, enemy member or tower guard or whatever all the power to you mate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 27, 2018 why wont you stupid pvpers risk your entire kingdom for a drakeset as collateral? dont you see no risk no reward? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 27, 2018 14 minutes ago, Oblivionnreaver said: ""This thread was only meant as an option to get players over to try pvp. What happens after that is really up to players." "Seeing this is slowly becoming a thing on pve side, but a lot of pvers dont want to risk going to any pvp server." Directly conflict with each other. Paying someone to escort you around while you beat up drake spirits and slimes isn't really pvp, if someone's too afraid to go to pvp and do the goals themselves, chances are they're not going to pay someone to let them pvp with them. The only personal goals you'd require help with are title from king and become leader, every other pvp one can be done with just you, your enemy alt/friend and tower guards, therefore you wouldn't need to pay for the time of a budding entrepreneur except for the two kingdom ones, so they're the only ones worth discussing. But hey, if you find someone willing to pay for an escort to a slime of uttacha, enemy member or tower guard or whatever all the power to you mate. So remind me why new players dont join pvp servers again? Just maybe new players want a helping hand. but close the door on this option i guess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 27, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, gorgian said: So remind me why new players dont join pvp servers again? Just maybe new players want a helping hand. but close the door on this option i guess. I mean i've seen plenty of new people joining my kingdom in the last 2 weeks, just because you're not drawing in new players doesn't mean nobody is. Idk why you think getting paid/paying someone to help someone with personal goals is going to draw people into pvp, when they could already just join a kingdom normally and do the goal already if they wanted to, without paying this entrepreneur. It's like advertising that you have the ability to drink water if you pay me $5 to lead you to waterholes. If someone's coming over just to do goals and leaves after you've wasted time training them, you've given them access to your deeds and communications, you've given them access to steal from your kingdom. You'd have to jump through hoops making some "personal goal" village that's part of a template kingdom that fights alongside you in combat in a separate voice channel to normal just to avoid potential damage dealt to your kingdom. How much are you going to pay someone on chaos/epic to set this up for you? Edited April 27, 2018 by Oblivionnreaver 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Oblivionnreaver said: I mean i've seen plenty of new people joining my kingdom in the last 2 weeks, If i can believe that, so many alts these days 1 minute ago, Oblivionnreaver said: just because you're not drawing in new players doesn't mean nobody is. Now where does it say I'm recruiting? Sounds to me like your putting words in my mouth. 1 minute ago, Oblivionnreaver said: Idk why you think getting paid/paying someone to help someone with personal goals is going to draw people into pvp, when they could already just join a kingdom normally and do the goal already if they wanted to, without paying this entrepreneur. Last i checked thing are not free, & maybe they dont want to be in a kingdom. lots of maybes all around. 1 minute ago, Oblivionnreaver said: It's like advertising that you have the ability to drink water if you pay me $5 to lead you to waterholes. Humm they do this in deserts as an example. 1 minute ago, Oblivionnreaver said: If someone's coming over just to do goals and leaves after you've wasted time training them, you've given them access to your deeds and communications, you've given them access to steal from your kingdom. Is the risk any different from a new recruit? They also could just quit or what have you. 1 minute ago, Oblivionnreaver said: You'd have to jump through hoops making some "personal goal" village that's part of a template kingdom that fights alongside you in combat in a separate voice channel to normal just to avoid potential damage dealt to your kingdom. Again is this any different from a new recruit? 1 minute ago, Oblivionnreaver said: How much are you going to pay someone on chaos/epic to set this up for you? Me, Where does it say i wanted this? I noticed a trend and put an option to it. In the hopes of getting players to try pvp through some other means. But we know how that turned out right. And here we are. In closing its an option go with it or dont. simple. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 27, 2018 5 minutes ago, gorgian said: If i can believe that, so many alts these days Ah yes, the alts that all talk to each other in alliance chat. Good to know we don't discriminate against people with dissociate identity. 6 minutes ago, gorgian said: Now where does it say I'm recruiting? Sounds to me like your putting words in my mouth. Well, you're making it sound like no new players have entered pvp. Never said you're recruiting either, i said you're not drawing people in. 10 minutes ago, gorgian said: Humm they do this in deserts as an example. I searched "how much does it cost to be led to water" and it told me about flint michigan, so i don't see that happening, unless you have a source. Mighty find whataboutism though, i applaud you. 1 minute ago, gorgian said: Last i checked thing are not free, & maybe they dont want to be in a kingdom. lots of maybes all around. If you join a kingdom and actually want to pvp, i guarantee they'll make you gear and let you fight with them for free. 2 minutes ago, gorgian said: Is the risk any different from a new recruit? They also could just quit or what have you. Not really, but if you advertise for people wanting to pvp, and advertise for people solely wanting to do personal goals, I assure you you'll have a higher % of bad apples coming from the personal goals recruitment. 11 minutes ago, gorgian said: Again is this any different from a new recruit? Read above. 12 minutes ago, gorgian said: Me, Where does it say i wanted this? I noticed a trend and put an option to it. In the hopes of getting players to try pvp through some other means. But we know how that turned out right. And here we are. If you're not calling for someone to monitize helping with personal goals, i'm not sure you know what "entrepreneur" means. Last i checked it doesn't mean "helps others to share his/her vision out of the goodness of his/her heart". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 27, 2018 (edited) This entire thread is a trap, and I strongly encourage everyone to just stop posting. The clear and obvious bait was set, and I saw it coming on page 1, Gorgian keeps focusing on "gotcha" statements from the pvp community trying to trap anyone in their comments for whatever reason. He keeps changing focus and adding his own personal context to what you say, like literally every politician would do. Player: "Well I mean I think we should stay out of this foreign conflict because it does not require our response.." Gorgian: "Oh, you think we are better than them? I cannot believe you are so racist! Not going into this conflict is an admittance of your bigotry" It is the same post over and over recycling the same tired points to continue to engage in argument. Nothing constructive has come from this post (except for the outlining of the recruiting process), and I am honestly surprised it is still in operation (not locked). Everyone has responded to the questions asked. Edited April 27, 2018 by FranktheTank 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 27, 2018 Plus, the reality is that, for the most part, we are a very welcoming community for new players. Just not stupidly so. If any pve player honestly showed up to check out pvp, they're likely to get some decent starting advice and a little help. They just shouldn't expect to be handed the keys to the kingdom on day one. And we all know that pvp takes on a different level of adversity that, if a new player can't be smart and proactive about even getting into the game, they're unlikely to enjoy it and stick around for the long haul. I regularly come across pve players checking out the server. I don't mind setting them up with whatever basic weapons/armours/tools I have kicking around, because I'm usually grinding those anyway so they just litter the place anyway. I even have a starter deed with a portion open to anyone in kingdom, where they can hang out, craft, park their wagon, etc., and if they go crazy there, they can't do much damage. Even then, I want to get to know them a little first. And certainly wouldn't grant them access to my main deeds unless I get to know them a little better. Maybe have them come on a couple of missions, rifts, hunts, or various other activities to get to know them. I'm pretty sure that on any other template kingdom, would provide a similar welcome to new players. PMKs are a different beast, and should probably be researched and approached off-line, prior to applying for them. In most cases it would be hard for a solo player to even get anywhere near them without help anyway. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 27, 2018 7 hours ago, Prophetears said: Almost none of this is ever said by PvPers.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 27, 2018 Wow these PvP threads just keep getting dumber and dumber. Can a mod just lock this already so we don't have to read people's moronic responses anymore? I think everything that needs to be said has been said at this point lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 27, 2018 Tbh looking at nijara i cant really see how its becoming a thing for pve as the op says, not that i ever looked at it as a pvp vs pve thing but of the 20 listed winners i only see one maybe two names i dont recognise as pvp dwellers so the whole thing was out before the weird idea even started Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 27, 2018 3 hours ago, FranktheTank said: This entire thread is a trap, and I strongly encourage everyone to just stop posting. The clear and obvious bait was set, and I saw it coming on page 1, Gorgian keeps focusing on "gotcha" statements from the pvp community trying to trap anyone in their comments for whatever reason. He keeps changing focus and adding his own personal context to what you say, like literally every politician would do. Player: "Well I mean I think we should stay out of this foreign conflict because it does not require our response.." Gorgian: "Oh, you think we are better than them? I cannot believe you are so racist! Not going into this conflict is an admittance of your bigotry" It is the same post over and over recycling the same tired points to continue to engage in argument. Nothing constructive has come from this post (except for the outlining of the recruiting process), and I am honestly surprised it is still in operation (not locked). Everyone has responded to the questions asked. Pls, you say on thing and do any other. "nitpicking" like a stated before its just an option take it or leave it, but you feel the need to keep coming here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 27, 2018 2 hours ago, Sjarn said: Plus, the reality is that, for the most part, we are a very welcoming community for new players. Just not stupidly so. If any pve player honestly showed up to check out pvp, they're likely to get some decent starting advice and a little help. They just shouldn't expect to be handed the keys to the kingdom on day one. And we all know that pvp takes on a different level of adversity that, if a new player can't be smart and proactive about even getting into the game, they're unlikely to enjoy it and stick around for the long haul. I regularly come across pve players checking out the server. I don't mind setting them up with whatever basic weapons/armours/tools I have kicking around, because I'm usually grinding those anyway so they just litter the place anyway. I even have a starter deed with a portion open to anyone in kingdom, where they can hang out, craft, park their wagon, etc., and if they go crazy there, they can't do much damage. Even then, I want to get to know them a little first. And certainly wouldn't grant them access to my main deeds unless I get to know them a little better. Maybe have them come on a couple of missions, rifts, hunts, or various other activities to get to know them. I'm pretty sure that on any other template kingdom, would provide a similar welcome to new players. PMKs are a different beast, and should probably be researched and approached off-line, prior to applying for them. In most cases it would be hard for a solo player to even get anywhere near them without help anyway. Wheather or not its stupidly done or not. its still out there as an option no? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 27, 2018 14 minutes ago, gorgian said: Wheather or not its stupidly done or not. its still out there as an option no? The other option to get pve players to try out pvp is to promise them 10 gold coins if they stay with the kingdom for a month. That will greatly increase the playerbase on the pvp servers, and help new players to the game, so everyone wins! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 27, 2018 Just now, Alyeska said: The other option to get pve players to try out pvp is to promise them 10 gold coins if they stay with the kingdom for a month. That will greatly increase the playerbase on the pvp servers, and help new players to the game, so everyone wins! haha. good one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 28, 2018 So, what did everyone had for dinner today? I had a Venezuelan chicken arepa with cheese. It wasn't that good, but I was hungry so I ate it. Washed it down with some soda. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 29, 2018 Get your arepas off the Colombians next time Pork chops n' mashed potatoes for me ... om nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom.. .nom Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 29, 2018 5 minutes ago, Mordraug said: Get your arepas off the Colombians next time Pork chops n' mashed potatoes for me ... om nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom.. .nom Venezuelans make them good. This place was just lazy and nasty. Never again Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 1, 2018 All this pointless argument but you only need to look at macedon in kingdom history to see what happens when the wrong person holds the crown Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 1, 2018 On 4/27/2018 at 10:05 PM, Angelklaine said: So, what did everyone had for dinner today? I had a Venezuelan chicken arepa with cheese. It wasn't that good, but I was hungry so I ate it. Washed it down with some soda. I don't eat commie food. Only Borscht, wait. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
