Change 'Shatter' to 'Mangle'

[Gwyn 328]

Suggestion:

 

Instead of items shattering during enchantment, they should be 'mangled' (or whatever other term might better fit). A mangled item retains all the identifying features of the original item (quality, casts, maker's inscription, etc.) but it becomes unusable, unrepairable junk and – crucially – it is not removed from the game completely. The item shows in inventory as normal but with 'mangled' added before the description.

 

Why it's necessary:

 

Custom casting is widespread. If items shatter, unless the caster videos the process, there's no real evidence they can provide the customer. If the item is mangled, the caster can send it back to the customer for verification. This change would add transparency and security to the custom casting process.

 

[Jonydowy 616]

+1 i like the ideea

Could also add for a cool collection of ''mangled'' items 

[Etherdrifter 2,518]

+1

 

This is a very nice idea and would really solve a lot of enchanting trust issues.

[Yiraia 427]

+1

[Nomadikhan 2,196]

+1  Has real value.

[Tallios 307]

I like it, you get an item back that is usable but not permenant.

[jackjones 335]

This is a great idea.. +1

[Belgrim 13]

-1 This is horrible when you're casting on hundreds of low QL "skiller" tools.  Imagine all those garbage items that need to be thrown into the trash heap. 

 

Also, someone is inevitably going to sell these to new players telling them they are perfectly normal useful items. 

[Gwyn 328]

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9 hours ago, Belgrim said:

-1 This is horrible when you're casting on hundreds of low QL "skiller" tools.  Imagine all those garbage items that need to be thrown into the trash heap. 

 

Also, someone is inevitably going to sell these to new players telling them they are perfectly normal useful items. 

 

Up to 100 items can be drag+dropped in an instant to a trash heap or altar for saccing, so I'm having trouble seeing the issue. Anyway, I'm willing to bet that the majority of enchanting time is spent repeatedly casting on high-value items in pursuit of higher-power casts.

 

Anyone can already take advantage of new players' ignorance in any number of ways to sell them low-value items, not that I ever see it happening. Again, I'm willing to bet most people are clever enough to understand there's something wrong with an item labelled 'mangled rare axe' or whatever. If not, 'mangled' could always be changed to 'useless', leaving no room for doubt.

[armyskin 930]

At first I was confused about what this was going to accomplish. But getting to the part about it being proof of a cast failure I was sold on this idea. +1. The only issue would be to make the mangled status of the item appear when checking Mail so that mailbox scams are prevented.

[Yiraia 427]

23 hours ago, Belgrim said:

Also, someone is inevitably going to sell these to new players telling them they are perfectly normal useful items. 

What jerks do you know, so i can avoid them ._.

[Grumpled 138]

+1 because I am paranoid people won't believe me if I tell them my (currently hypothetical)  priest broke something expensive.

[Pashka 707]

If I was mailed back a mangled item, I would reject it since it has 0 use.  This will cause it to go back to the sender and charge them the mailing fee.  Just an FYI that I think was forgotten.  I personally have never had anyone question me when something went kaboom.  I am always upfront about the chance and what my skill is and how often I have had it happen to me.  

[Mclavin 3,704]

On 8/31/2017 at 10:54 PM, Belgrim said:

Also, someone is inevitably going to sell these to new players telling them they are perfectly normal useful items. 

ok so on the flip side, somebody is gonna take that new players items for enchantment and say it blew up. Whats the loss?

[Darmalus 631]

Or keep the name and have the trash item be "The shattered remains of X"

[Belgrim 13]

On 9/1/2017 at 2:06 AM, Gwyn said:

Up to 100 items can be drag+dropped in an instant to a trash heap or altar for saccing, so I'm having trouble seeing the issue.

 

Maybe this could only kick in if the item is over 70+ QL?  (many enchants don't work below 70 QL anyways)

 

Sorry to seem lazy, but how many items fit in a trash heap again?  I also don't relish the notion of a trash-heap in the middle of my church...

 

I suppose I could sacrifice failures assuming it's allowed, but I'm not sure everything I cast on can fit in an altar (halberd etc).

[JakeRivers 2,921]

-1

 

just remove shatter, wtf

 

[Gwyn 328]

1 hour ago, JakeRivers said:

-1

 

just remove shatter, wtf

 

I doubt removing shatter is up for discussion, hence my suggestion as a way of creating a better version of a bad thing.

[faty 423]

On 9/2/2017 at 2:04 AM, Darmalus said:

Or keep the name and have the trash item be "The shattered remains of X"

+1 to this. Make a new item, a pile of rubble that can fit in a mailbox, trash or altar and it can also have the 'discard' option that ore has now.. so you have the proof, the item is  useless and easily discardable.

 

Edit: on examine it can keep the same details, enchants, creator etc as the original item.

Edited September 9, 2017 by faty

[Pashka 707]

11 hours ago, Belgrim said:

 

Maybe this could only kick in if the item is over 70+ QL?  (many enchants don't work below 70 QL anyways)

 

Sorry to seem lazy, but how many items fit in a trash heap again?  I also don't relish the notion of a trash-heap in the middle of my church...

 

I suppose I could sacrifice failures assuming it's allowed, but I'm not sure everything I cast on can fit in an altar (halberd etc).

 

Many people buy and cast on low quality items.  100 items fit in a trash heap.