Gamerfour

Unify logic for planted and locked items with effective quality below 10

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Proposition

We currently have a system for planting items that prevents people other than the planter from messing with the item unless the original planter has sufficiently neglected the item to the point where it's effective quality is less than 10. This helps clean up areas where deeds have disbanded without having everything go to waste.

 

I propose that something similar be done for locked items.

Feature Requirements

Minimum Viable Product

Any player shall have full permission on a locked item with an effective quality less than 10 that is off deed.

 

When the effective quality of a locked item is lower than 10, when examined, the lock description shall have “ that has rusted open”, “ that is ineffectively in disrepair”, or some similar text added to denote the lock is not functioning.

 

When the effective quality of a locked item is raised above 10, it should again be checked for permission as before dropping below an effective quality of 10.

 

Supplemental Requirements

When the effective quality of an off deed item is below 10, a player shall be presented with an option to remove the lock.

Reasoning

I speak mainly from my experiences with deeds that have been disbanded in excess of a year.

 

If you want to expand a waterfront road, but someone has moored a  locked boat to the shore, you boat must sit on the road until it has decayed away. A preferable solution would be that the boat could be moved and repurposed.

 

If there is an area where several chests have fallen together beside a road where a multi story house decayed away leaving just the locked items behind, you can't do anything about the except let them decay away. A preferable solution would be to repurpose them for other uses.

 

If there is a wagon or cart abandoned by the side of a road, or in the old parking spot, the animals hitched to the vehicle are doom to stand there for an eternity waiting for the vehicle to pop. Many will never know the freedom of running free, or at least traveling to new and exciting places, because they are trapped there by neglecting former hitchers.

 

Since we already have made the decision that planted items should be able to be moved and reused after being neglected for a suitable amount of time, I find that it is only reasonable to extend that rational to locked items.

 

Items that are abandoned that decay over time could be considered similar to a lost treasure in the lore of the game.

 

For a legal standpoint, the Kingdom could consider this as being a law that any item sufficiently abandoned should be considered abandoned and the property of whoever reclaims it. An item may maintain ownership if it is checked regularly (I.e. repaired), by the owner, a confidant, or a generous stranger. After sufficient abandonment, the original owner loses the rights to the items on the grounds of abandonment and littering. (All remarks in this paragraph pertaining specifically to lore, and not to any actually coded functionality.)

 

I don't suggest the lock automatically drop off when the effective quality drops below 10, because that saves someone who actually does reclaim the item the need to reapply the lock and redistribute copies of the key.

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This would only encourage people to hide others locked possessions while waiting for the overall QL to fall under 10.

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I'm really sad seeing special - even no more possible to create - items like wagons, tents and the like go to dust. I like the propsition, many of the items cannot be moved (wagons, moored ships, planted items) so I don't see the danger of them getting hidden too high. Anyway if the owner returns before the damage goes too high and the item gets hidden it could still be reclaimed by a ticket (afaik it is against the rules to block access to property of others).

I'm fine if not the actual ql is being checked but the damage should be 90+.

BTW the planted items like flags, lights, BSBs etc. are already "prone" to the same mechanic, I don't see any difference there. Some are even bashable and they are not at all safe off deed already, even if the owner still active.

 

Edited by Jaz

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2 hours ago, JakeRivers said:

This would only encourage people to hide others locked possessions while waiting for the overall QL to fall under 10.

 

I was under the impression that locked items couldn't be moved. The only way I could think of to be able to prevent access by the original owner would be to deed over the item and build a house around it, which is way to much effort and money to make this a common occurrence.

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58 minutes ago, Gamerfour said:

 

I was under the impression that locked items couldn't be moved. The only way I could think of to be able to prevent access by the original owner would be to deed over the item and build a house around it, which is way to much effort and money to make this a common occurrence.

 

Never think a task is too much money or effort in wurm.

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The suggestion has some merit but my concern is for newer players who make a large cart to secure their items. Sometimes they are barely up to 10 QL when created. Then they also know little about repairing them or even the need/ability to improve them much higher than when created. Maybe lower the requirement down to 5 QL before things become "unlocked". Yeah it's a longer wait to pilfer (steal) others belongings but when these types of locked items hit 5 QL it seems the owner would have enough time to repair and improve them if they are at all concerned.

 

=Ayes=

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I can certainly appreciate concern for new players around this issue. That said, planted items cannot be planted until they are at least 10ql, and I until just now, I thought locks were the same way.

 

With all the parts required to make a large cart, I have a hard time thinking that a player could make one and it be a low enough ql for this to be a prevalent issue. If they cart is made at a ql of 13, it would still need to take over 23 damage before the effective ql drops to below 10.

 

Also, if there are players around that would notice a random cart left lying around, there are probably players in the area who could help them imp their new large cart, or even just give them a high ql one. I know when I started a character on Xanadu, anyone who passed by was offering to give me a large cart when they saw me walking around with a small cart.

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Great idea, I also hate having hard to obtain or labour intensive items just rotting away into dust because they are locked. Item's shouldn't be able to be kept safe forever if you're not actively playing the game. If you want to keep your locked boats or wagons safe, leave them with a friend or pay for upkeep on a deed. Let others find use in what you no longer want, need or use.

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Oh i read this several times and forgot to +1 each time...

 

+1

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