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I am not sure why i get sent to two different pages on the same topic but with different info: 

I probably got to the older one using google search,  but ideally it should redirect to the newer url and there should NOT be two different databases that come up in a public search with conflicting information

 

 

http://www.wurmonline.com/wiki/index.php/Unicorn  << must be old version yet not THAT old

   Unicorn is a huntable and ridable animal, although they can't be hitched to a large cart. It is non-aggressive, but slightly stronger than a brown bear. It can be tamed with seeds, but only with good taming skill (35+).

Unicorns will be attacked by carnivorous animals and mobs."

Mar 22, 2016 ** Edit Freeze: Please do not make edits to the Wurmpedia until the move has completed. Information on the move will be updated in this banner when available.

 

 

http://www.wurmpedia.com/index.php/Unicorn  << different url, newer version

Notes

Can be ridden when tame, and can also hold a passenger. The passenger mount does not require any body control.

Can be hitched when tamed, but will unhitch if it becomes untamed.

Will be attacked by carnivorous animals and mobs.

Have a body strength of 30.

Can be equipped with saddle, bridle, and horse shoes (made of gold or silver)

 

 

 

 

 

 

What is the projected time to complete the move? If it is necessary to have both versions up, Is it possible to have a redirect page that says "this section is archived and may be outdated do you want instead to see the current information?" and then an option to click a link to the current version

 

 

 

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Brash_Endeavors said:

I am not sure why i get sent to two different pages on the same topic but with different info: 

I probably got to the older one using google search,  but ideally it should redirect to the newer url and there should NOT be two different databases that come up in a public search with conflicting information

 

 

http://www.wurmonline.com/wiki/index.php/Unicorn  << must be old version yet not THAT old

   Unicorn is a huntable and ridable animal, although they can't be hitched to a large cart. It is non-aggressive, but slightly stronger than a brown bear. It can be tamed with seeds, but only with good taming skill (35+).

Unicorns will be attacked by carnivorous animals and mobs."

Mar 22, 2016 ** Edit Freeze: Please do not make edits to the Wurmpedia until the move has completed. Information on the move will be updated in this banner when available.

 

 

http://www.wurmpedia.com/index.php/Unicorn  << different url, newer version

Notes

Can be ridden when tame, and can also hold a passenger. The passenger mount does not require any body control.

Can be hitched when tamed, but will unhitch if it becomes untamed.

Will be attacked by carnivorous animals and mobs.

Have a body strength of 30.

Can be equipped with saddle, bridle, and horse shoes (made of gold or silver)

 

What is the projected time to complete the move? If it is necessary to have both versions up, Is it possible to have a redirect page that says "this section is archived and may be outdated do you want instead to see the current information?" and then an option to click a link to the current version

 

 

The move has already occurred and been finished quite some time ago. The reason you are seeing http://www.wurmonline.com in google search has to do with the way Google updated cached websites.

How it works is the more often a page is used, the more often Google updates the cache, and the search results will change. That's why you'll see our more popular, well-visited pages will generally come up with the http://www.wurmpedia.com/ link, in comparison to those that Google has indexed in the past, but aren't widely trafficked. Like Unicorns!

 

Here is another example of both in the same google search: Cotton is used daily, probably has tons of clicks per day. Cotton sheet? Not so much.

 

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All in all, this is a google problem and cannot be fixed by the Wiki editors. In fact the only one who can fix it is the player base by using the wiki to its fullest extent more often. In the meantime, I highly recommend adding the Wiki to your favorites and using it's search in the top-right corner. Or, you can put site:wurmpedia.com in your google search and you will only get results from the wurmpedia.com domain if you're an avid google searcher.

 

Here's that example: Notice by doing this, we are able to get Cotton Sheet to come up with the wurmpedia link, and all of the results are 100% wurmpedia.com domain links. Works for Unicorn page to. 

 

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Hopefully that explains it. The move has happened. Can't do much more about this issue. Google will update as people traffic the new domain more.

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I don;t type in site:www.wurmpedia.com because the point of using google search "wurm unicorn" is not having to type a lot of extra information especially since I typo a lot and have to back up and reytype it all again if i mess it up, it becomes almost as long as having to click the forums site, letting it load, clicking the wurmpedia link, getting it loaded, hoping I don;t get a timeout or get 404'd again (wurms hosts are not exactly the best)  or make excessive typos, and finally AFTER i get to wurmpedia, at last typing in my request.  I also don;t like having more than one bookmark for each gaming site I use as it allows me to have 20 bookmarks I use a lot instead of sorting through 300 bookmarks that I use rarely; I jump back and forth between using the forum bookmark and the wiki bookmark but not needing more than one for wurm related sites. It's mostly about making  the information fast and convenient to find. Google is easiest for me because when i open my browser I am already at google. I type 1-2 words and BOOM i am done.  I  like places that make things convenient for me. I like them a lot.  I can only imagine how new players struggle when they don't have all this extra stuff memorized or even know what the name of the wurm wiki is or how to tell old sites from new sites.  At least now however I correctly understand the most important information of all which is, it is not your fault and it is not your problem. 

 

 

 

TLDR: I know you don't get to determine google search result orders,  however I did not realize it was impossible to use site based page redirects to send people  to the current pages, or at least let them know the most popular page is actually an archived page with incorrect and out of date information and offering a link to the current page.  Dunno how those other games do it but I guess they cheat or something. Back in the old-old days you used to upload one notepad file with something like redirect http://www.wurmonline.com/wiki/*.* http://www.wurmpedia.com/*.* but likely that doesn't work anymore.

 

 

Ok, thanks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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22 hours ago, Brash_Endeavors said:

I don;t type in site:www.wurmpedia.com because the point of using google search "wurm unicorn" is not having to type a lot of extra information especially since I typo a lot and have to back up and reytype it all again if i mess it up, it becomes almost as long as having to click the forums site, letting it load, clicking the wurmpedia link, getting it loaded, hoping I don;t get a timeout or get 404'd again (wurms hosts are not exactly the best)  or make excessive typos, and finally AFTER i get to wurmpedia, at last typing in my request.  I also don;t like having more than one bookmark for each gaming site I use as it allows me to have 20 bookmarks I use a lot instead of sorting through 300 bookmarks that I use rarely; I jump back and forth between using the forum bookmark and the wiki bookmark but not needing more than one for wurm related sites. It's mostly about making  the information fast and convenient to find. Google is easiest for me because when i open my browser I am already at google. I type 1-2 words and BOOM i am done.  I  like places that make things convenient for me. I like them a lot.  I can only imagine how new players struggle when they don't have all this extra stuff memorized or even know what the name of the wurm wiki is or how to tell old sites from new sites.  At least now however I correctly understand the most important information of all which is, it is not your fault and it is not your problem. 

 

 

 

TLDR: I know you don't get to determine google search result orders,  however I did not realize it was impossible to use site based page redirects to send people  to the current pages, or at least let them know the most popular page is actually an archived page with incorrect and out of date information and offering a link to the current page.  Dunno how those other games do it but I guess they cheat or something. Back in the old-old days you used to upload one notepad file with something like redirect http://www.wurmonline.com/wiki/*.* http://www.wurmpedia.com/*.* but likely that doesn't work anymore.

 

 

Ok, thanks.

 

 

I can appreciate where you're coming from. My bookmarks bar is organized with folders in folders. I'm not sure if you know this trick with chrome, but you can make your omnibox use custom searches. If you go into settings > manage search engines > other search engines, you can designate a keyword or character to quickly search a specific site. I know it's not ideal, but once you get used to it, it's decent:

 

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So if I open a new window and type @ and then press tab, whatever I type in the omnibox does not use Google at all, it searches wurmpedia directly. The URL to use is: http://www.wurmpedia.com/index.php?title=Special:Search&search=%s

 

So it will look like this in practice:

 

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I'll bring it up in wurmpedia chat. I know that our regular http://www.wurmonline.com/wiki/ redirects to wurmpedia, so maybe it is possible but will need devs to do it as we don't edit that obviously.

 

 

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