Posted February 10, 2017 So, I'm playing around with the beverages. I have it as my affinity and I always enjoyed the roll of playing the brewer in games. Some interesting facts when making drinks. For teas the container changes the affinity between say a clay bowl, sauce pan, and the cauldron. For Moonshine you can get three results between per veggie. Normal veggie, chopped, and mashed. Unfermented and distilled have different affinities. Undistilled has none. Most interesting thing though. If you place an amount of one affinity drink in a container then add more of the same named drink but other affinity it keeps the original affinity for the entire amount. So you have a Moonshine with an affinity you like. Toss in .25 of it and fill a barrel the rest of the way with another affinity moonshine and bam you now have a full barrel of the affinity you wanted. I haven't had time to test all the different drinks but this should simplify things a lot for stocking up on what you want. Find a barrel of the affinity moonshine or tea you like and buy others to restock that amount. You no longer need to know the affinity of a drink your buying if you have a "seed" supply of the affinity one you like. Just thought this was a nifty trick and hadn't seen any information on it. Figured it would be good to spread the word. Totally not doing this because I am hoping to sell drinks soon. lol Anyone else have any interesting facts on drinks? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 10, 2017 Hi, thanks for opening this thread. Yea, beverages can be peculiar ones regarding affinities. 1 hour ago, Eleraan said: For Moonshine you can get three results between per veggie. Normal veggie, chopped, and mashed. Haven't done any documented tests on this but from what i noticed all different affinities for moonshine should be lost when you distill to final product and you end up with one affinity. Haven't found a way to get different affinities from distiled alcohols if someone had pls share (I assume that rare/supreme still can give different but don't have one to try). It never occured to me that i can drink unfermented one so thanks for more options Also woodscrape type when you're fermenting gives diffference so you can get 10 different options for cider, i assume red, white and rice wine too, and for beer where fermenting with particular scrap isn't requirement (ginger beer for example). I assume that cooking tea in rare or supreme oven would give different results but i need to test that, don't know how effective drinking tea for affinity is though :/ 60ish ql beers are amazing by my expiriens you get around 1h affinity for 0.25kg roughly Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 10, 2017 30ish tea is giving I think 15ish minutes. I'll check next time I drink some. I will double check when I distill this next batch of Moonshine. I've been logging the diff affinities by veggies and chopped/mashed aswell. Then naming the barrels to track it. When I distill this next batch I'll see if they all end up with the same affinity. Gonna do the same with Vodka next since it can be chopped/mashed. Working on Pottery Bowl teas right now. There are 12 combos per container per herb. Another trick is if you are wanting to make say a full barrel of tea it would take 100 herbs. If for what ever reason you don't have the herbs but have a lot of milk. You can do the .05 herb weight. .40 water and the rest milk allowing you to sub 44.55 milk in place of 99 herbs. Not sure that you would want to but its an option. Also, when "flavoring" tea 1g of milk or honey is enough to trigger the affinity swap. Neither has an effect on the water ratio. Haven't made Cider yet. Working on the "aging" drinks and teas til I get my skill up. I've already got barrels of like 7 quality from messing around that are more or less useless. Question on Stills. I read that quality only effects burn time. As far as distilled quality that seems about right but I have stills from 8 quality to 50s and they all seem to burn out at the same time. Actually I've seen the lower quality produce more with the same fuel than the higher. Were talking .01-.03 difference so could just be code lag for when the fire "went out". I'm on Xan so I've seen it drop down to .01 distilled per hour before. Is it that I need to imp them up even higher to get any noticeable increase in burn time? I can take them into the 70s but I hate imping things where I can't "see" the tool needed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 10, 2017 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Eleraan said: I can take them into the 70s but I hate imping things where I can't "see" the tool needed. I know exactly, what you mean. And here is solution. I can't imagine improving hundreds of ships without this great tool. Edited February 10, 2017 by Zakerak Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 10, 2017 (edited) That's awesome. Thanks Zakerak! I'll have to get that. I've got 20 stills so far and still adding more. I've just been taking a few to 50 at a time since I hadn't seen a difference but that would greatly help my motivation lol. Also, QL 33 tea was 11 minutes for .25kg Edited February 10, 2017 by Eleraan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 10, 2017 try these too: mashed, fried, roasted, steamed, chopped, whole. I also suspect that all affinity variation one might see with moonshine is lost . This is because the undistilled version which is an ingredient in the final creation step doesn't change name. I've found that if the ingredients you use to cook with doesn't change its name then the affinity of the final product won't change. You can see this happen with veg sausage, passata, wort/ale (the wood scrap does rng it, but different herbs or even fresh herbs won't if the wort's name doesn't change). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 11, 2017 (edited) I can confirm that, unless it has changed, distilling and even fermenting resets the affinity you would end up with. From what I have seen, if the input is always 'undistilled moonshine' the result of moonshine will always be identical, no matter how that undistilled moonshine was made. Changing the ingredients changes affinity, changing how the ingredients were made does not. Tea by the way affinity will also change based on ingredients. Different milk (cow/sheep/bison) will change affinity, and having milk will also give a longer affinity than having no milk. The more complex the ingredient generally the longer it extends it, so in theory *tea stuff* + lemon juice + maple syrup would be the best as it requires the most steps, picking lemon + juicing it, compared to just milking cow, and harvesting maple then cooking it, compared to just growing sugar, although I am a bit unsure how honey counts tbh, I think it also is fairly good. That said, it isnt really too important as with tea what I would do is make a small barrel full of 45KG of any tea I really want to have the affinity for, drink it in small amounts at once and that barrel could last you a fair while, just remember to stay fairly near the barrel - as I did with Vodka which gives me woodcutting. How I am still alive after drinking 10KG of Vodka in a day is another matter though.. One thing I am interested on though is how many containers/cookers can tea be cooked in? I know of cauldrons, clay pots, along with camp fires and ovens, rare supreme oven does give a different affinity too. Edited February 11, 2017 by Korhaka Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 11, 2017 Its on my list to try the metal bowls for teas as well. I haven't tested if they can be used as cooking containers but if they do I bet the different metal ones would change aff too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 11, 2017 (edited) Pretty sure I tested it before and you cant. Oh as far as alcoholic drinks go, Fermented drinks give lots of different affinity as you can use different wood scrap. Distilled drinks however you dont have that option as its affinity is the same once distilled. Edited February 11, 2017 by Korhaka Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 11, 2017 My rare still mixed up affinity. I"m not sure if a supreme or a fantastic (no like matters for this anyway) would give additional affinity possibilities. It's disappointing that the for distilled drinks the affinity of a prepared ingredient doesn't factor into the final distilled drink's affinity. The shear number of combination for moonshine would theoretically let us find every possible affinity if it did pass on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 11, 2017 I agree. I was rather excited for the wide range of distilled drinks affinity. I haven't done much with the beers as I'm wanting my skill to be a bit higher since they don't improve quality like the distilled ones and was not aware that the wood scrap effected it. That's pretty interesting and I'll have to play with that too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 11, 2017 6 hours ago, Korhaka said: , Fermented drinks give lots of different affinity as you can use different wood scrap. How do you define lots? I"m not sure the non-distilled drinks will give enough variation to find every possible affinity. 10 wood types (15 total less the 5 fruits as we don't want vinegar). Does rift oleander count? 9 drinks: 5 worts ( I'm hesitant to consider Sassafras an options since it can't be planter or farmed), 3 wines, 1 cider. 3 container rarities (common, rare, and supreme. Technically a fantastic would go in there but I don't consider that a realistic option). I'm assuming that each level of rarity RNGs the affinity again. Given that folks have seen duplicates in affinities is 270 enough variation to find all possible affinities? 19 drinks : 8 gin, 8 brandies, 1 moonshine, 1 vodka, 1 whiskey 3 still rarities (common, rare, supreme) And another 57 possible for distilled. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 12, 2017 I have done a lot of basic tea testing. (Chopped Herb + water) So far, oven and campfire both change affinity, as well as pottery bowl and cauldron. (Sauce pan doesn't work...it just sits there boiling the water with no tea coming over.) I haven't played with the camellia + additions version much yet. To give you an idea of just how many you need to test with basic chopped...here's my list of affinities... Spoiler Teas From what others have said, doing things like adding milk, sugar, honey, etc to the camellia version will probably adjust/alter the affinity too. I haven't gotten around to testing whether that functions with these basic teas either... I have only done a little bit of brewing, so I'm not entirely sure how that functions, but I was told that depending on which wood-scrap you use to ferment it, it alters the affinity. Whether this would still hold true for a distilled, I doubt...as that would be another alteration. I was lucky enough to create a rare still if anyone needs to stop by and use it to check something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 13, 2017 Is it possible to make flavored vodkas? Gins I know you can, beers have many options too. I would love a good blueberry vodka, I get 1kg of distilled product from burning one log in a 70ql still if that helps. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
