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Now that was a stupid thing to say, then it would be better to ask a swede.

We have lived in a healthy western democratic socialism for many decades.

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Sweden vs:

 

Cuba

Venezuela

Ecuador

Nicaragua

The Soviets back in the day

China.... who by the way is doing way better since they switched to capitalism (as opposed to neoliberalism which is often disguised as capitalism).

 

The exception doesn't make the rule.

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Ok, but I think that USA is not a third world country, right?

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1 hour ago, Mordraug said:

 

No need for that ... just ask your average Venezuelan.  They'll explain it faster than it takes them to buy a loaf of bread and a roll of toilet paper.. much.. much faster.

 

Calling Venezuela Socialist, is like calling China Communist. Neither are either.

 

What you're doing is accepting intentionally failed implementations as the definition, which in itself is one of the most dangerous things a person can do ideologically. It's dehumanizing and denigrating opposing viewpoints.

 

This is pretty much my point. The countries you named are Dictatorships and Oligarchies. They are Communists and Socialists by name only, not in government.

 

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Thought the Berlin Wall was torn down in 89, I guess it's time for another small fear mongering hatemonger to build another one.

 

It galls me to think that folks forget easily their history and see it repeated, and now that same type of person has been elected president.

 

Sanders and Clinton aside, it's amazing that the people voted for such a tyrant, but when you prey upon the  fears and insecurities of those people it's no wonder.  Funny how the same demographic that voted for him are now the ones going to be screwed over by him in the upcoming years.

 

Go back, watch some of his speaches, then look up the historical recordings of another mans speaches and you will see similirities that will send shivers down your spine.

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15 minutes ago, Dairuka said:

 

Calling Venezuela Socialist, is like calling China Communist. Neither are either.

 

What you're doing is accepting intentionally failed implementations as the definition, which in itself is one of the most dangerous things a person can do ideologically. It's dehumanizing and denigrating opposing viewpoints.

 

This is pretty much my point. The countries you named are Dictatorships and Oligarchies. They are Communists and Socialists by name only, not in government.

 

 

And the capitalist western governments are all too happy for everyone to have this flawed perception of what actual socialism is.

 

The bolsheviks came the closest to founding a true socialist state, until Lenin died and the power hungry, insecure Stalin took control during the power vaccum and took out anyone who was a threat to him, solidifying his control.

 

Man, if Lenin hadn't died... the soviet union may have turned out to be a hell of a lot better off than it did.

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20 minutes ago, Stormblade said:

Thought the Berlin Wall was torn down in 89, I guess it's time for another small fear mongering hatemonger to build another one.

 

It galls me to think that folks forget easily their history and see it repeated, and now that same type of person has been elected president.

 

Sanders and Clinton aside, it's amazing that the people voted for such a tyrant, but when you prey upon the  fears and insecurities of those people it's no wonder.  Funny how the same demographic that voted for him are now the ones going to be screwed over by him in the upcoming years.

 

Go back, watch some of his speaches, then look up the historical recordings of another mans speaches and you will see similirities that will send shivers down your spine.

 

Every single movement and political change comes about through a clever politician or two doing the same few simple things.

 

Exploit the fears of the people, tell them their safety or freedom is in danger. Tell them whichever group you want to go against is responsible for this danger, tell them anyone who disagrees is probably a danger too. Tell them you'll get rid of the danger unlike these other wimpy politicians because you're not scared. Tell your people how you're just like them, so their voices will be heard.

 

More or less always follows that pattern. UKIP did with Brexit, most political parties use it against their rival political parties in elections, like last year in the UK and now recently in the US one.

 

People are too dumb to just think for themselves usually or atleast see when they're being taken advantage of. It's quite depressing but meh, what can you do.

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1 hour ago, Mordraug said:

Sweden vs:

 

Cuba

Venezuela

Ecuador

Nicaragua

The Soviets back in the day

China.... who by the way is doing way better since they switched to capitalism (as opposed to neoliberalism which is often disguised as capitalism).

 

The exception doesn't make the rule.

 

sweden isn't even socialist as the means of production is privatized

 

58 minutes ago, Dairuka said:

 

Calling Venezuela Socialist, is like calling China Communist. Neither are either.

 

What you're doing is accepting intentionally failed implementations as the definition, which in itself is one of the most dangerous things a person can do ideologically. It's dehumanizing and denigrating opposing viewpoints.

 

This is pretty much my point. The countries you named are Dictatorships and Oligarchies. They are Communists and Socialists by name only, not in government.

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/CapitalismVSocialism/comments/4bor1s/to_socialists_venezuela_seized_the_means_of/

 

Venezuela is the textbook definition of socialism

 

1 hour ago, Cecci said:

Now that was a stupid thing to say, then it would be better to ask a swede.

We have lived in a healthy western democratic socialism for many decades.

When you can't enforce the law in your own nation, the nation won't last long, large areas in europe isn't enforced by the police, not to mention the demographic damage the past 10 years

 

47 minutes ago, Stormblade said:

plebbook copy pasta

The East-Germany puppetry built it's border so that citizens can't leave, while trump will (hopefully) build an actual wall to enforce their laws against illegal immigration, decadent leftism wants unlimited immigration due to immigrants swaying heavily towards the left, the more immigrants that is imported, the more voters you've got, the elite won't be affected by the negative changes at all as they live in gated communities with no immigrants or refugees, it's the same ###### in sweden and all other european nations where the decadent left has attempted to mass-import thirld-worlders, eventually it'll look like brazil or south africa where there's zones of gated and safe communities with little crime while the streets are littered with criminals, eventually they've climbed the socialism hole for so long that they'll keep voting for the oligarchic families as they recieve scrap money through the means of government handouts 

 

The "uneducated" are the people who witness the effects of the decadent leftist politics, while the people who live in areas with no refugees or immigrants will preach how there must be a greater importation of thirld-worlders for no other reason but to feel good and look good socially for others

 

The "refugee" areas in sweden is the major blocs for the party which doesn't want unlimited immigration, while the areas which has little to no refugees is the biggest voting bloc for the parties which wants unlimited immigration

 

If you want to share some more plebian propaganda, go ahead

 

also, your highschool-tier understanding of history is laughable, unlimited immigration has never worked out for the native population, the gothic migration of 376 into rome, the hun migration, the euro migration into the americas, the nordo-viking and rus migration into greenland and other arctic territories, the sapiens migration into neanderthal territories, every single time the native population is either genocided or enslaved

 

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3 hours ago, changer said:

 

sweden isn't even socialist as the means of production is privatized

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/CapitalismVSocialism/comments/4bor1s/to_socialists_venezuela_seized_the_means_of/

 

Venezuela is the textbook definition of socialism

 

When you can't enforce the law in your own nation, the nation won't last long, large areas in europe isn't enforced by the police, not to mention the demographic damage the past 10 years

 

The East-Germany puppetry built it's border so that citizens can't leave, while trump will (hopefully) build an actual wall to enforce their laws against illegal immigration, decadent leftism wants unlimited immigration due to immigrants swaying heavily towards the left, the more immigrants that is imported, the more voters you've got, the elite won't be affected by the negative changes at all as they live in gated communities with no immigrants or refugees, it's the same ###### in sweden and all other european nations where the decadent left has attempted to mass-import thirld-worlders, eventually it'll look like brazil or south africa where there's zones of gated and safe communities with little crime while the streets are littered with criminals, eventually they've climbed the socialism hole for so long that they'll keep voting for the oligarchic families as they recieve scrap money through the means of government handouts 

 

The "uneducated" are the people who witness the effects of the decadent leftist politics, while the people who live in areas with no refugees or immigrants will preach how there must be a greater importation of thirld-worlders for no other reason but to feel good and look good socially for others

 

The "refugee" areas in sweden is the major blocs for the party which doesn't want unlimited immigration, while the areas which has little to no refugees is the biggest voting bloc for the parties which wants unlimited immigration

 

If you want to share some more plebian propaganda, go ahead

 

also, your highschool-tier understanding of history is laughable, unlimited immigration has never worked out for the native population, the gothic migration of 376 into rome, the hun migration, the euro migration into the americas, the nordo-viking and rus migration into greenland and other arctic territories, the sapiens migration into neanderthal territories, every single time the native population is either genocided or enslaved

 

 Memes are your thing, stick to that instead.

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34 minutes ago, Rathgar said:

 Memes are your thing, stick to that instead.

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  1. Denial – The first reaction is denial. In this stage individuals believe the diagnosis is somehow mistaken, and cling to a false, preferable reality.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Rathgar said:

proves his point

 

its ok Hillshill america gonna be great again and theres no stopping it now

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36 minutes ago, Rathgar said:

Thats what Im talking about, meme gold.

 

have to agree with ya there

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Aaaah the deluded "socialists" of the first world.

 

Ask them to go out and dig a hole to plant a tree however, they'll have a panic attack and quickly look around for an illegal immigrant who'll do it cheap ^_^

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You have been misinformed if you think socialists like black (untaxed) work.

And have you ever heard of allotment gardens?

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Gardening is the ######, big trend in the western world!

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how about talking WITH each other rather than AT each other? It could help solving some of the contradictions...

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22 hours ago, Stormblade said:

Thought the Berlin Wall was torn down in 89, I guess it's time for another small fear mongering hatemonger to build another one.

 

It galls me to think that folks forget easily their history and see it repeated, and now that same type of person has been elected president.

 

Sanders and Clinton aside, it's amazing that the people voted for such a tyrant, but when you prey upon the  fears and insecurities of those people it's no wonder.  Funny how the same demographic that voted for him are now the ones going to be screwed over by him in the upcoming years.

 

Go back, watch some of his speaches, then look up the historical recordings of another mans speaches and you will see similirities that will send shivers down your spine.

What exactly is wrong with a border fence, as their been a few large ones on the Southern US border for years in which both parties agree and has over 70-80 % approval rating

 

A complete fence more of a prevention measure for smuggling contraband, as the majority of unlawful immigrants go though our airports, ports and border crossing to get into the US

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"Sanders and Clinton aside, it's amazing that the people voted for such a tyrant"

What makes Trump a Tyrant? 

Trump, Sanders, and Clinton all were cult of personality's claiming the world would end if they weren't voted in and all three were ranting wishey washey things to get more media attention

 

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I'm not stating which side I'm on.  I just like posting silly responses.  

 

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Trump has stated he is willing to be only paid $1 a year as President probably to avoid paying taxes. :P

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Wonder if he is aware that food and such get deducted from the wages?

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Well... based on Trump's previous MO, the government will buy his food from Trump Foods, Inc.

 

He's handy at the corporate shell game, or at least the accountants and lawyers are, especially when it comes to shielding personal wealth and assets.

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On 11/11/2016 at 8:17 PM, Alexgopen said:

i agree. i go to a university so its super liberal but i support trump. its hard to get through to them and they vilify me just because we have a difference of opinion.  i think ive made some ground with some of my friends but they are being super hostile and rude, using profane language etc while i keep it civil.  as soon as you stoop to the level of making personal attacks youve lost your argument, so im trying to calm them down by showing them how the quotes and reasons they cite as justification for their anger or as dirt on trump are often exaggerated by the media, conjecture, or flat out wrong.  it's ridiculous to me that we are having riots, car burning, window smashing, looting, shootings, hit and runs, attacks, and car jackings as a reaction to a presidential election, let alone all that happening on the anniversary of kristallnacht.  it's really sad to see 

 

Perhaps try showing them this, sounds like they are making a lot of mistakes this guy points out. He supports his argument quite well on why those friends of yours are shooting themselves in the foot with their behaviour (for example, people no longer know how to actually hold a discussion, instead shooting down any attempt at one by using labels/attacks).

 

 

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