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Sold silver through paypal to Niru, now he disputes it

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Unless he/they have funneled the coins and items and resold them already then they would still have them in the game in some form or another.  I don't know for sure but i am thinking this is more then a one person thing here i think there will be at least two people involved in the end.  

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For now can someone suggest what to do with the dispute on paypal? Should respond or leave it be? I think its better to respond, pls pm me.

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I became victim of Niru as well today.

Gladly only for 25 US$ / 25 silver what we traded, but still disappointing enough that this can happen.

Particularly disappointed of Paypal, that they charge it back before the case is even investigated properly.

Did anyone have this before and can share some advice?

 

I already did answer back and gave all info I had to prove to paypal that I did my part of the deal.

Not that it matters alot, since Neal did not ask it back out of the buyer protection, but said his account was used without his agreement,

but anyways. I wanted to at least prove that I did my duty here, and probably would recommend that to all others as well.

I would definately not leave the Paypal dispute sitting there and waiting for it to magically disappear.

If one side claims something, and the other does not respond, the one not responding usually loses.

 

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My balance is negative also, what the actual f

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19 minutes ago, Hashirama said:

For now can someone suggest what to do with the dispute on paypal? Should respond or leave it be? I think its better to respond, pls pm me.

I sold Niru quite a lot how should we proceed here?

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1 minute ago, Niki said:

My balance is negative also, what the actual f


Niki can you sieze all the assets from Niru's in game account and keep them under your account for now?
You had access to his toon right?

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15 hours ago, Kegan said:

Did the guy buy any accounts? I know that Niki was looking for a high priced priest and i am guessing that this is the same guy that the priest was for too. I guess we will have to see if a GM can do anything with the items in question, 

Kegan my balance is negative also, hopefully this is just a misunderstanding.

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3 minutes ago, Hashirama said:


Niki can you sieze all the assets from Niru's in game account and keep them under your account for now?
You had access to his toon right?

Let the GMs handle that.

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Same thing happened to my finances sister today she sold him 3g and her paypal account is also negative

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So, what is the recommendation, after we forwarded all information to Paypal to answer to the dispute?

Write ingame ticket as well with link to screenshot or what is recommended?

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Due to the nature of this case, I feel that all our cases will be grouped together and a large investigation will be taken by Paypal. This whole dispute includes thousands of euros, and I would assume this is classed as a very serious case.

 

Im not sure if we can, but I think perhaps grouping together and having someone (who is legally proficient) represent the group as a whole, who can provide all evidence to paypal to fight our cause.

 

I will be on the phone to Paypal tomorrow morning and I shall ask them for advise on the matter.

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We encourage you to reply to Paypal in an honest and forthright manner with any evidence you may have.  With any luck, the mass of similar case file issues across the entire scope of effected players will all add up and perhaps be blatant enough to see that this is a widespread issue and maybe the whole spectrum of chargebacks will be thrown out the window.  We cannot reply to them on your behalf, so that's your first step on this.

 

Paypal is your first line of defense, so do assist them with prompt, factual information when you reply to the chargeback query.  

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[21:32:37] Chat opened.
[21:32:45] <Davih> how much are you paying?
[21:32:52] <Davih> and how many?
[21:34:29] <Niru> I'm looking for 50s :D
[21:34:34] <Niru> Do you have that much? :)
[21:36:13] <Davih> no sry, i have less
[21:36:23] <Davih> like 20
[21:36:39] <Niru> 20 is good with me too :D
[21:36:48] <Niru> If you're okay with it, where do you want me to send payment to? :)
[21:36:59] <Davih> paypal gift or skrill
[21:37:16] <Niru> Paypal gift :)
[21:37:34] <Davih> i'm selling at 1€/s like default
[21:37:44] <Davih> if that works for you :)
[21:38:43] <Niru> Definitely does :D
[21:39:39] <Niru> Just let me know what email address to send, and I am ready to go :)
[21:39:49] <Davih> nice, my paypal is Davidegzz@hotmail.it , you can cod anything to me for 20s and i'll accept
[21:41:06] <Niru> 20e sent :D
[21:41:13] <Niru> Also about to CoD you an item too. It will arrive in around 5 minute :)
[21:41:36] <Niru> Sent CoD :)
[21:43:09] <Davih> ok, checking paypal
[21:43:34] <Davih> received, perfect :)
[21:43:44] <Davih> will accept cod as soon as it arrives
[21:43:53] <Niru> Woohoo, thank you :D
[21:48:38] <Davih> arrived
[21:49:11] <Davih> and accepted
[21:49:49] <Niru> I really appreciate it! Thanks again :D
[21:49:57] <Davih> thanks to you :)

 

I was sad about having lost the 20€ i re-used to buy prems on my alts, looks like i'm not really the one who had the worst.
I seriously hope paypal isn't still the pro-scammer crap it was some years ago, i've lost some serious money to scammers doing everything right in the past,  even asking people to send mail messages confirming the trade from the same mail address they used to pay, sadly i must say: don't be too surprised if he wins the chargebacks.
I should really just only accept skrill payments in the future x_x

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This makes me wonder if it is the same guy that used the money hack or whatever it was to scam Rolf out of thoudsands of dollors. That or one of the fine people that we got from playerauctions, lol

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Here's my logs. Two scale sets and some other stuff. 625e.

 

 

 

 

Logging started 2016-03-19
[23:18:08] <Niru> How much would you want for the white dragon scale set? :D Like, how much would you be happy with? hehe
[23:18:51] <Xallo> well, I had someone ask to buy Aly's set for 3g, so that offer got us thinking :P
[23:21:50] <Niru> Hehe I see. I am trying to look up pictures of both the black and white, to see the differences in appearance :)
[23:22:19] <Xallo> sec
[23:22:54] <Niru> Aye :)
[23:23:04] <Xallo> White - auGIw7C.jpg
[23:23:10] <Xallo> Black - emdXvHu.png
[23:24:28] <Niru> Thank you for those links :D Are they both the same price, out of curiosity?
[23:24:56] <Xallo> yes, they would probably be the same price
[23:25:04] <Xallo> someone else is eyeing the two atm now too :P
[23:25:14] <Xallo> we'd have to see who likes which better, and hopefully not the same haha
[23:25:37] <Niru> Hehe okay! Well, I will wait and see what happens with all that :) If you could let me know, I'd appreciate it!
[23:25:47] <Xallo> which of the two do you prefer?
[23:26:00] <Xallo> they're both beautiful :DD
[23:26:32] <Niru> I think I prefer the black :D Aye, they both are!
[23:26:44] <Xallo> yaaaay the other guy prefers white
[23:28:36] <Niru> haha :D
[23:28:39] <Niru> Well, that works out!
[23:36:56] <Xallo> so, did you want the black set?
[23:37:26] <Niru> Hehe I am thinking :)
[23:37:30] <Xallo> okay, no rush :)
[23:37:39] <Niru> Thanks :D I am mulling over the 3g price :)
[23:37:55] <Xallo> ok
[23:38:00] <Xallo> its a lot of money :P
[23:39:59] <Niru> Hehe yes it is. Do you mind if I think a little on it? Also, if you find a buyer who wants it right away, then it's okay with me if you sold it to that person :)
[23:40:06] <Niru> It's very tempting
[23:40:13] <Xallo> please, go ahead and think!
[23:40:29] <Niru> Thank you so much :D
[23:40:29] <Xallo> I'll hang onto the black for a few days for you, not in a rush to sell
[23:40:35] <Xallo> 300 is a lot lol
[23:40:42] <Niru> Thank you :)) That means a lot. I'll let you know, one way or the other :)
[23:40:47] <Xallo> had someone offer to buy a red set when they were drunk and i told them go away lol
[23:41:12] <Niru> Lol O.o
[23:41:27] <Niru> Well, as far as I am aware, I am not drunk :)
[23:41:31] <Xallo> :D
[01:02:02] <Niru> So I've been thinking... do you still have the white dragon scale set?
[01:02:14] <Niru> Or did anyone buy it?
[01:03:38] <Xallo> their paypal messed up :(
[01:03:53] <Xallo> but someone is trying to buy it right now
[01:03:53] <Niru> Oh!
[01:04:17] <Niru> Okay, well please let me know if for whatever reason, it's still available :)
[01:04:25] <Niru> It was a hard choice between black and white hehe
[01:04:54] <Xallo> I understand. out of curiosity, is your paypal verified?
[01:05:04] <Niru> It is :)
[01:05:09] <Xallo> ok
[01:05:12] <Niru> I use it for other business as well
[01:06:23] <Niru> I'll just be waiting to hear from you, in that case :)
[01:08:09] <Niru> My username on the forums is Niru also, so you can PM me there, too
[01:08:36] <Xallo> well, so this person did not have a verified paypal, and i suspect hte person they used as a reference for being good is themselves, but on an alt
[01:08:36] <System> Niru is not currently available, please try again later.
[01:09:00] <Xallo> well, so this person did not have a verified paypal, and i suspect hte person they used as a reference for being good is themselves, but on an alt
[01:09:00] <System> Niru is not currently available, please try again later.
[01:09:57] <Xallo> well, so this person did not have a verified paypal, and i suspect hte person they used as a reference for being good is themselves, but on an alt
[01:09:57] <System> Niru is not currently available, please try again later.
[01:16:38] <Xallo>
[01:16:38] <System> Niru is not currently available, please try again later.
Logging started 2016-03-29
[16:52:06] <Xallo>
[16:52:08] <Xallo> hey :D
[16:52:25] <Xallo> so I'm back now, but it will take a couple of days (probably not, but we'll see) to make the set and cast on it
[16:53:46] <Niru> Hi Xallo! :D
[16:53:56] <Xallo> hello :P
[16:54:00] <Niru> Thanks for getting in touch with me, and welcome back :)
[16:54:04] <Xallo> np :)
[16:54:13] <Niru> I also appreciate you working on the set. That is rather fast :))
[16:54:18] <Xallo> oh I should probably jump off wurm real quick. installing new java
[16:54:22] <Xallo> one moment
[16:54:31] <Xallo> and no worries :D
[16:54:37] <Xallo> brb :)
Logging started 2016-03-29
[16:56:26] <Xallo> okee back
[16:57:05] <Niru> Welcome back :D
[17:05:59] <Xallo> okay, now gonna go make some dinner. ill be back :P
[17:06:19] <Niru> Hehe okies! :)
Logging started 2016-03-29
[22:15:34] <Xallo> hey
[22:15:50] <Xallo> so you want to buy the blue set right? just making sure before I create it soon :P
[22:22:00] <Niru> Yes, I want to buy a blue set of dragon scale armor :D Also, do you know roughly what QL it will end up being, and the rough level of the AoSP enchants on them? :D
[22:22:06] <Niru> Thanks for confirming with me also :)
[22:22:14] <Xallo> 80QL, 70+ aosp, might do 80+ aosp
[22:22:55] <Niru> Okies :D Is it possible to pay slightly more for higher QL, and the higher AoSP? Just asking. If not, I'm fine with that too :))
[22:23:34] <Xallo> let me know what you're thinking and I can see ;D
[22:24:36] <Xallo> also, I saw your post about commisioning for a blue. does that offer stand with me? ;p
[22:25:11] <Niru> Hehe yes, it stands with you! :D
[22:25:17] <Niru> I will edit that so that it's closed :)
[22:25:24] <Xallo> does your set have any rare pieces?
[22:25:32] <Xallo> and what QL/aosp is it?
[22:25:43] <Xallo> and what colour?
[22:25:53] <Niru> Oh, I had forgotten about my offer to trade the armor! Actually, in afterthought, I was hoping to just commission / buy a new blue set :)
[22:25:56] <Niru> Sorry for the confusion!
[22:25:59] <Xallo> ohh ok
[22:26:10] <Xallo> just checking :P
[22:26:11] <Niru> I had initially wanted to do that :)
[22:26:13] <Niru> Hehe aye!
[22:26:35] <Xallo> thinking 325 for the extra quality and aosp? or is that too much?
[22:27:18] <Niru> That works with me, actually :D
[22:27:32] <Niru> What QL / AoSP would that be, just to confirm?
[22:27:44] <Xallo> I will try my best for 90QL, and 80+ aosp
[22:27:48] <Xallo> do you need any anti-demise?
[22:28:54] <Niru> Would anti-demise typically be good for PvP? (Trying to understand hehe)
[22:29:05] <Xallo> yes
[22:29:10] <Xallo> just a cool extra spell
[22:30:37] <Niru> If I did want that, how much extra would that go for? If you don't mind my asking :)
[22:30:51] <Xallo> free, its a no risk cast that like never fails
[22:31:02] <Xallo> just curious if you wanted it, what god are you
[22:31:17] <Xallo> [22:20:23] It is enchanted with Fo's touch, and  has a protective aura of Fo.
[22:31:23] <Xallo> would be one of them
[22:31:34] <Xallo> basically its the counter to Human's Demise, which increases crit chance
[22:31:43] <Xallo> so only useful in pvp but its a fun cast to have regardless
[22:31:48] <Niru> I am a Vyn follower :D
[22:31:55] <Niru> So yeah, that sounds like a good thing to have :))
[22:31:55] <Xallo> ok ill cast that if you want
[22:32:03] <Niru> Thank you so much :)
[22:32:07] <Xallo> mp :D
[22:32:08] <Xallo> np
[23:04:22] <Xallo> set created with no fails :)
[23:04:34] <Niru> Wow awesome :D
[23:04:38] <Niru> Very good news :))
[23:04:52] <Xallo> was sweating, didn't have enough if failed
[23:04:55] <Xallo> but would have bought more :P
[23:05:58] <Niru> Hehe. I was wondering what you'd do if that happened =x
[23:06:05] <Xallo> I'd buy more scale
[23:06:06] <Xallo> :P
[23:06:12] <Xallo> wouldn't let a buyer down!
[23:07:17] <Niru> Hehe, well it's very nice of you :)
[23:07:36] <Xallo> just might be delayed, depends if I could have found someone
[23:31:47] <Niru> Just to let you know, I will need to sleep soon, as it is late here, but I will be on again first thing tomorrow morning :D Like in eight hours or so
[23:32:16] <Xallo> ok
[23:32:20] <Xallo> I don't think it'll be done tonight
[23:32:42] <Xallo> and unfortunately, tomorrow calls for a busy day. might be able to do it by the end of it though
[23:33:30] <Xallo> I'll let you know :)
[23:33:47] <Niru> I'm not in a huge rush either :)
[23:33:50] <Niru> Just so you know hehe
[23:34:02] <Xallo> ok, brb!
[23:34:27] <Niru> hehe np!
[23:44:25] <Xallo> bedtime ;D
[23:44:27] <Xallo> see you tomorroww
[23:46:53] <Niru> hehe goodnight!
[23:46:59] <Niru> Rest well and see you tomorrow :) Thanks again for everything!
[23:47:06] <Xallo> np thank you :)

Logging started 2016-04-02
[14:22:34] <Niru> Heya :D
[14:22:37] <Xallo> hey :P
[14:22:58] <Xallo> the scale set is almost done, just needs final imping to 90
[14:24:42] <Niru> How are you doing? :) I've been kind of busier than normal, but I've been doing well. Thanks for the update!
[14:24:45] <Niru> No worries either :D
[14:25:02] <Niru> Do you want me to go ahead and send payment? Because I can :)
[14:25:17] <Xallo> nooo, I don't want to until it's ready to send
[14:25:21] <Xallo> :P
[14:25:46] <Niru> hehe okies! :D
Logging started 2016-04-02
[19:19:11] <Niru> Are you sure there's no way I could persuade you to acecpt payment now? :D Lol
[19:19:32] <Xallo> I will finish it soon, then? :P
[19:19:53] <Niru> Actually no, I don't mean it as a way to rush you :)
[19:20:00] <Niru> It's more of like, a finances thing on my side :)
[19:23:32] <Xallo> but sure, thats fine
[19:23:52] <Xallo> 325 I believe, right? for 90QL 80a
[19:24:04] <Xallo> resonated it a few times :P
[19:25:58] <Xallo> ooh right, Vynora's Hand too!
[19:26:00] <Xallo> almost forgot
[19:31:34] <Niru> Lol!!
[19:31:40] <Niru> That's freaky... the resonating
[19:31:45] <Xallo> scary :P
[19:31:45] <Niru> I am glad it didn't go all the way O.o
[19:32:00] <Xallo> my paypal is xallopa@gmail.com
[19:32:05] <Xallo> should be finished soon as well
[19:32:14] <Niru> And yeah :) 325!
[19:32:24] <Niru> Great. I will send payment now, but seriously, there is no rush at all :)
[19:32:29] <Xallo> ok
[19:34:01] <Niru> So just a question, but, would I be pushing my luck if I asked for 90 ish AoSP?
[19:34:12] <Niru> I don't want shatters, obviously :)
[19:34:19] <Xallo> I'd be too afraid to do that I'm sorry D:
[19:34:39] <Niru> No problem at all! :D
[19:34:52] <Niru> It was just a question, hehe. I am happy with what the armor is at :)
[19:35:22] <Xallo> gonna be shiny, especially with that supreme glove
[19:35:26] <Xallo> wish it was the jacket :P
[19:36:00] <Niru> Hehe aye, so do I :) But, I am happy, nonetheless!
[19:36:04] <Niru> Just transferred the money :)
[19:36:13] <Xallo> okay, I got it thanks!
[19:36:31] <Niru> Woohoo, great!
Logging started 2016-04-04
[00:48:49] <Xallo>
[00:48:49] <System> Niru is not currently available, please try again later.

 

 

 

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Wow, this is getting pretty out of hand. The GM's have stated they are looking into this. I have gotten to know Niru since he first started playing wurm some months back. There must be some sort of misunderstanding. I know for a fact that he wasn't going to be playing much this week, family are in visiting him from out of the country.

Friends of mine in game also have him on facebook and have just forwarded this news to him. So hopefully he can see all this soon.

I know he loves this game, and he's the friendliest, and kindest person. I do not believe he is trying to scam anyone.

I know anything dealing with real life money can get quite serious, and I can understand people being upset, so hopefully he will see this soon and be able to sort it all out properly.

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I have talked to Niru on TS, yes his real name is Neal and he's a nice guy... i'm sure this is a misunderstanding of some sort. Stalking someones personal life and posting pictures/videos everything about him on the forums is not right at all. I'm sorry there's an issue with paypal and your balance is in the negative now, but these issues should be dealt with privately. The chat moderators should have closed this long ago.

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3 minutes ago, Cambriaa said:

Wow, this is getting pretty out of hand. The GM's have stated they are looking into this. I have gotten to know Niru since he first started playing wurm some months back. There must be some sort of misunderstanding. I know for a fact that he wasn't going to be playing much this week, family are in visiting him from out of the country.

Friends of mine in game also have him on facebook and have just forwarded this news to him. So hopefully he can see all this soon.

I know he loves this game, and he's the friendliest, and kindest person. I do not believe he is trying to scam anyone.

I know anything dealing with real life money can get quite serious, and I can understand people being upset, so hopefully he will see this soon and be able to sort it all out properly.

 

3 minutes ago, Polojordan said:

I have talked to Niru on TS, yes his real name is Neal and he's a nice guy... i'm sure this is a misunderstanding of some sort. Stalking someones personal life and posting pictures/videos everything about him on the forums is not right at all. I'm sorry there's an issue with paypal and your balance is in the negative now, but these issues should be dealt with privately. The chat moderators should have closed this long ago.

 

Im afriad you have probably been subjected to the same scam.

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5 minutes ago, Polojordan said:

I have talked to Niru on TS, yes his real name is Neal and he's a nice guy... i'm sure this is a misunderstanding of some sort. Stalking someones personal life and posting pictures/videos everything about him on the forums is not right at all. I'm sorry there's an issue with paypal and your balance is in the negative now, but these issues should be dealt with privately. The chat moderators should have closed this long ago.

Well then why has he not been on the forums to tell his side of it or to say that he is working on resolving the issues?  If he has time to TS with you he has time to come on here and say something about the deal right..

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3 minutes ago, Polojordan said:

I have talked to Niru on TS, yes his real name is Neal and he's a nice guy... i'm sure this is a misunderstanding of some sort. Stalking someones personal life and posting pictures/videos everything about him on the forums is not right at all. I'm sorry there's an issue with paypal and your balance is in the negative now, but these issues should be dealt with privately. The chat moderators should have closed this long ago.

 

No, it should not be in private. Paypal must be able to see this thread as we have linked them to it in response to the dispute. They can view all the combined information here to make their judgment on the disputes, hence it was posted publicly. Ontop of that, the wurm community deserves a warning when things like these happen.

 

 

5 minutes ago, Cambriaa said:

Wow, this is getting pretty out of hand. The GM's have stated they are looking into this. I have gotten to know Niru since he first started playing wurm some months back. There must be some sort of misunderstanding. I know for a fact that he wasn't going to be playing much this week, family are in visiting him from out of the country.

Friends of mine in game also have him on facebook and have just forwarded this news to him. So hopefully he can see all this soon.

I know he loves this game, and he's the friendliest, and kindest person. I do not believe he is trying to scam anyone.

I know anything dealing with real life money can get quite serious, and I can understand people being upset, so hopefully he will see this soon and be able to sort it all out properly.

 

Niru is on my friends list ingame. He logged in briefly after this thread was posted, but did not attempt to set things right by contacting anyone or posting, so I'm sorry but I have my doubts.

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3 minutes ago, Bibbidyboop said:

 

 

Im afriad you have probably been subjected to the same scam.


This seems to be true. I also was confused and did not believe when people were talking about this in GLchat, and i said "i have also sold him stuff and the transactions went through without any problem". And then I was told by some people to check my paypal, and when I did I saw 200+ euro negative balance. He made a really good story and played it perfectly, thats all am gonna say.

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Okay, ill start by saying he didnt scam me

7 minutes ago, Cambriaa said:

Wow, this is getting pretty out of hand. The GM's have stated they are looking into this. I have gotten to know Niru since he first started playing wurm some months back. There must be some sort of misunderstanding. I know for a fact that he wasn't going to be playing much this week, family are in visiting him from out of the country.

Friends of mine in game also have him on facebook and have just forwarded this news to him. So hopefully he can see all this soon.

I know he loves this game, and he's the friendliest, and kindest person. I do not believe he is trying to scam anyone.

I know anything dealing with real life money can get quite serious, and I can understand people being upset, so hopefully he will see this soon and be able to sort it all out properly.

 

7 minutes ago, Polojordan said:

I have talked to Niru on TS, yes his real name is Neal and he's a nice guy... i'm sure this is a misunderstanding of some sort. Stalking someones personal life and posting pictures/videos everything about him on the forums is not right at all. I'm sorry there's an issue with paypal and your balance is in the negative now, but these issues should be dealt with privately. The chat moderators should have closed this long ago.

 

I am sorry, what? People lose real money and no one should object because he is a nice guy???? Sorry, but 'nice and kind' means nothing - actually it does - it shows intent

 

No this needs to be made public as a self defense mechanism for wurm

 

Keeping this sort of thing on the down low would encourage others to try similar things as well

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