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WO, WU, and FUD

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Hi Everyone,

 

As some of you may have noticed, the recent player count thread speculating the release of Wurm Unlimited has been removed. This is not out of censorship  but out of the fact it had run its course.

 

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FUD (Fear, Uncertainty or Doubt) is a strategy to influence perception by spreading negative and false information designed to cause a company's customers to be insecure about future product plans.

 

When Wurm Unlimited was announced. there was both concern and approval. Players seeking a more customised, or solitary experience finally had their own server, and those who were concerned about the impact on Wurm Online. It is clear that Wurm Unlimited has impacted the player count of Wurm Online, which was expected.. Players who played Wurm Online due to it being the closest they had to their dream experience suddenly had the ability to create their ultimate dream server without having to worry about balance, other players or any aspect other than what they wanted. There has been cross referring, players from Wurm Unlimited seeking out the MMO version for a more substantial and solid experience and those leaving for Wurm Unlimited, with the opportunities of the mods and customised maps being a big draw.

 

What has been suggested, or feared is this causing a financial downturn for Wurm, which is not the case. Wurm Online has always been the focus of the development team, and will continue to be so. Large projects are also being planned and worked on (such as the previously covered cave dwellings, but also many more) and will come to light as they near completion, ensuring that when they are announced they come in a timely manner and you all aren't left hanging.

 

The reason the player count thread was closed is because everyone will have their reasons for leaving Wurm Online, be it for another game or for Wurm Unlimited. Everyone will have their own ideas as to what causes players to leave, or what is lacking, or what needs to be fixed, we all have our own experiences in Wurm and thus we all have our own priorities. This thread devolved into arguing and blaming which serves no purpose. With more than half the threads in the later pages requiring to be hidden, and further moderation taken in some cases the decision was made to remove it.

 

While I'm aware that there is an obvious trickle down effect on the economy and the sense of community from losing players, there are also other key issues that affect these things. We are working on not only identifying these areas of concern but how to resolve them as well in a manner that benefits everyone.

 

Wurm Online will continue to grow and evolve, we are addressing long time concerns of players, working on long requested features to bring even more depth and immersion to this game as well as focusing on how we can engage with you all better. I have been in contact with many PvP kingdoms and taken feedback upon concerns, and also look to do the same with Freedom (though organising TS for you all might prove to be a little.. loud). We continue to address areas of concern or potential trouble for new players, identify what improvements we require in both the early game and the tutorial, and look at advertising options to target our key demographic more effectively.

 

Wurm Unlimited has created the opportunity for over twenty thousand people to experience Wurm for the first time, and learn just how awesome this game can be. Regardless of playing Wurm Online or Wurm Unlimited we are all wurmians, so please treat each other with respect.

 

Retrograde

Community Relations Coordinator.

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Sooo is FUD gonna be included in the wurm rules yet orrrr just gonna keep hiding rules and hit the player base with them without there prior knowledge of its existence? 

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Well said Lord Retrograde....

 

Everyone has had there say so it's time to move on .... FOR MAGRANON !!!!

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16 minutes ago, akaedis said:

Sooo is FUD gonna be included in the wurm rules yet orrrr just gonna keep hiding rules and hit the player base with them without there prior knowledge of its existence? 

FUD in reference to this rule:

 

A ) You may not post with the intention of negatively provoking other members.

 - If you must leave criticism, consider your post carefully and word it constructively.

 

Also in the rules:

 

Wurm Online may suspend, modify, terminate, or delete any forum account at any time for any reason without notice.

 

FUD would relate to these things where negativity, harassment, and insults are concerned.

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How can you say wurm online will continue to grow when it obviously isn't...?

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3 minutes ago, Josh said:

How can you say wurm online will continue to grow when it obviously isn't...?

The game itself is growing, though.  New updates, fixes, and content are released all the time.  The population is dwindling, sure, but that doesn't mean that it can't show resurgence.  It's definitely going to take time and more work.

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29 minutes ago, Josh said:

How can you say wurm online will continue to grow when it obviously isn't...?

 

it's called PR

 

He's on the PR team, it's his job

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Basically if you disagree with them it's against the rules.

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if you don't like the rules... (points to the exit sign)

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please keep the thread on topic. thank you.

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It's interesting that it's really only a select few players who are trying to slander WO and CodeClub.  In every thread you go to that proclaims the doom of WO, it's pretty much the exact same 4-5 people who slander the game and the company nonstop.  Not going to name names because that isn't really helpful, but those people know who they are.  Hopefully this thread will shed a little bit of light on the situation, and help us all interact much better on a friendly and considerate level.

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So basically you approached PVP players/kingdoms to see what could be done to fix or improve because you acknowledged there is a issue at the moment. You do not do anything ever so slightly to help improve instead you do the opposite, and now when people give feedback and proof why and how the game's PVP community is and has declined you get upset and pretty much tell us its against the rules to do so. I personally didn't see anyone slandering (in repsonse to want to be staff member Slickshot the tryhard) anything but more making posts that disagreed with you and your views because it was the truth you didnt want to see or admit. Actually most players that I saw make posts have played this game for years, spent a lot of money on it and time they want to see improvements not tarnish the game. Not sure I can keep playing a game where the staff instead of acknowledging issues they dont want to see or deal with but instead just throw them in the back of the closet and pretend they never existed

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This also makes me wonder if we need a server population count here on the forums and launcher seems that is a focus on how many players are on when that does not really matter. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Kegan said:

This also makes me wonder if we need a server population count here on the forums and launcher seems that is a focus on how many players are on when that does not really matter. 

 

 

yeah the only reason I'm not surprised is because you're the one saying it

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3 hours ago, Slickshot said:

It's interesting that it's really only a select few players who are trying to slander WO and CodeClub.  In every thread you go to that proclaims the doom of WO, it's pretty much the exact same 4-5 people who slander the game and the company nonstop.  Not going to name names because that isn't really helpful, but those people know who they are.  Hopefully this thread will shed a little bit of light on the situation, and help us all interact much better on a friendly and considerate level.

 

We complain because we have put a lot of time and money into this game and we care that the issues are solved. This game was (and to a degree, still is) very innovative at its core - mainly with regard to terraforming. However, I and many others feel that this game has not reached its potential. We want it to reach its potential, but we feel that the staff are making the wrong decisions in many departments (game design, business practices, moderation, PR, etc.). We speak out because we want the issues to be fixed so the game and the community can benefit as a whole. We do not intend to slander the game or the developers.

 

To note is that slander, by definition, is false. Our opinions as players and as customers, are not false; they are criticism. Simply calling something false does not change reality and make it false.

 

The first step to fixing any problem is recognizing that there is one.

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3 hours ago, Egard said:

So basically you approached PVP players/kingdoms to see what could be done to fix or improve because you acknowledged there is a issue at the moment. You do not do anything ever so slightly to help improve instead you do the opposite, and now when people give feedback and proof why and how the game's PVP community is and has declined you get upset and pretty much tell us its against the rules to do so. I personally didn't see anyone slandering (in repsonse to want to be staff member Slickshot the tryhard) anything but more making posts that disagreed with you and your views because it was the truth you didnt want to see or admit. Actually most players that I saw make posts have played this game for years, spent a lot of money on it and time they want to see improvements not tarnish the game. Not sure I can keep playing a game where the staff instead of acknowledging issues they dont want to see or deal with but instead just throw them in the back of the closet and pretend they never existed

this is the result of volunteer work, if they had paid professionals a broader spectrum of things would get fixed/looked at, because of the volunteer work only the things they "want" to look at or fix gets done.

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Oh, after having re-opened the Wurm site this afternoon, I see the real reason for the thread lock...

 

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It's not speculation that the game is losing subs and has lost close to 50% of subs since WU

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Its speculation when its just observing and making a quick conclusion without full observation. Its fact when dozens upon dozens of posts and players are screaming on the forums that theres an issue here. 

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I will leave this here as a reminder to all.

 

Challenging Moderation

A ) You should never challenge moderator actions in public.

 - All challenges relating to moderation action should be sent privately to a forum moderator. If a satisfactory solution cannot be achieved then send your concerns to the Lead Forum Moderator.

B ) If you have had a post removed and are unable to determine the reason after a careful review of the Forum Rules, contact a forum moderator with any questions regarding why.

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