100 [Fixed] Rarity on medi rug does nothing

[asdf 297]

So in WU code, rug rarity is used to increase your 'counter' (basically the action time) for skillgain purposes, eg (Cults.java):

 

power = meditation.skillCheck(difficulty2, rug, 0.0, !increaseSkill, counter / 3.0f * (1.0f + rug.getRarity() * 0.1f));

 

But the time is capped at 30 anyway, and testing in WO did show that rare rug with equal CoC doesn't increase skill tick size.

 

[Pandalet 1,848]

does rug rarity make it more likely to get a question?

[asdf 297]

Not in WU code.

[Chulirac 244]

Any clues in there as why it is practically impossible to enlighten someone?

[rixk 830]

Yeah, at some point(was long time ago) I had my skilling rug go rare, when I imped it back up and the ticks stayed exactly the same as they were when the rug wasn't rare. I didn't even feel change in tick frequency back then.

Edited November 14, 2015 by rixk

[asdf 297]

Any clues in there as why it is practically impossible to enlighten someone?

The difficulty is level * 20, twice that of getting the question via meditation.

[Chulirac 244]

The difficulty is level * 20, twice that of getting the question via meditation.

[MrGARY 12,421]

Not in WU code.

[JakeRivers 2,921]

So would the rare rug improve the chances of getting the question with someone being enlightened?

[asdf 297]

So would the rare rug improve the chances of getting the question with someone being enlightened?

Not in WU. Dunno about WO, of course.

[Yaga 2,887]

Hm I'm not even close to an expert with code, but I'm pretty sure I saw a get rarity for questions?  Plus, with a not rare rug, it took me 28 hours to get 16th question.  Next attempt I used the same type/ql rug but rare and it took me 4 hours.  Either fluke, or rare helps

 

Rarity definitely helps with getting questions - as can be clearly seen when you try to get the 15th or even 16th question! (In WO, at least.)

[Ostentatio 1,970]

Bumping because it's come up in chat a couple times.

 

It pretty clearly is a bug (even if the WU and WO code are different, this would still be a bug in WU!); there's no reason the developers would intentionally add a skillgain bonus they know won't do work or do anything. Seems like a simple oversight; it's trying to add to the effective action timer for the skill check to add 10% bonus skillgain per stage of rarity, but doesn't because the timer is already past the cap.

Edited February 2, 2016 by Ostentatio

[MootRed 193]

does the ql of the rug actually affect skill gain when meditating?

[KaiH 1,126]

8 hours ago, MootRed said:

does the ql of the rug actually affect skill gain when meditating?

it does indirect.

ql affects the rolls, including the hidden skill-up-check where you only gain skill on a 1-39 roll. with a 'too high' ql rug you usully hit above 39 on that hidden roll (same as mining).

 

back to OP - good find, rarity should not add to something that is already over the cap.

 

a way better effect of rarity would be to increase the range of the hidden roll, for example +10 per rarity level.

that would mean a skill-up on 1-49 for rare, 1-59 for supreme and 1-69 for fantastic (imho).

[Pandalet 1,848]

Does rarity affect question frequency, then?  Or is that another SD/casting myth?

[Worksock 465]

bump

[Ostentatio 1,970]

Bumping again in hopes of some feedback!

[Alectrys 2,040]

Fixed with today's update: https://forum.wurmonline.com/index.php?/topic/174099-patch-notes-03mar20/