Stop the Sale of Gold in game for real money

[Wulfur 32]

   After having gone through the forums and looking back at what is listed for gold / silver sales  seems that Rolf might be loosing out on a good bit of real life money...

 With out making a spread sheet and putting the numbers in I would say a person can easily see a few thousand dollars worth of real money going back into a select few pockets.   
 
 Another reason to stop in game silver sales would be to help clean up our game. These few people that play our game to earn real money and not helping our game. THEY are only here to take away form the game " hurt the game"  Greed is bad mk.

They add nothing to our game... Self serving / selflessness.

[Propheteer 7,139]

What will this actually accomplish?

 

Yeah cool, you prohibit it, it's going to happen, regardless of if it results in a ban or not.

[Becket 843]

I see nothing wrong with the sale of gold or accounts. Get over it.

If it was hurting Rolf's bottom line that much he could stop it but it would just go underground.

[Wulfur 32]

What will this actually accomplish?

 

Yeah cool, you prohibit it, it's going to happen, regardless of if it results in a ban or not.

 

 

 

 

Same thing can be said for every illegal activity..

 Macroing :   Oh its going to happen might as well not do anything.

Griefing :   Oh well its going to happen might as well not do anything.

In game Chat :  Oh its ok to talk / say what ever its going to happen , fire all the CA's  

      Taking money away from the game Dev's  is not good if you can't see why I can't really help you..

The people that are here to make in game silver only to sell it for real world money do nothing to help our game they only hurt it....

[Gollum 30]

Every game that tries that ends up having a market establish itself elsewhere anyway, so there is no point in this.

 

Keeping in the forums makes it much easier to see who is selling, how much & how often, it also helps track potential scammers.

 

MUCH safer to keep it local.

[Stanlee 3,434]

Actually I see reason to think this would hurt Rolf's bottom line more than help it; see this related thread.

 

Plus, with the ability to simply not interact with those players (which I successfully did the last few times I played Wurm, acting more as a hermit village), I don't see a reason to hamper other people's playing. It can quite easily simply not affect me.

[Wulfur 32]

The type of people that sell in game silver only hurt our game they bring the type of toxicity that leaks over on to our forums..

[Propheteer 7,139]

Same thing can be said for every illegal activity..

 Macroing :   Oh its going to happen might as well not do anything.

Griefing :   Oh well its going to happen might as well not do anything.

In game Chat :  Oh its ok to talk / say what ever its going to happen , fire all the CA's  

      Taking money away from the game Dev's  is not good if you can't see why I can't really help you..

The people that are here to make in game silver only to sell it for real world money do nothing to help our game they only hurt it....

 

Except that this would be more popular than macroing or griefing, or any example you could possibly throw out here outside of maybe breaking the occasional rule.

 

I played Darkfall, a good portion of the people i played with knew others that had, and they themselves had purchased ingame items, accounts, or money despite it being against the rules.

I played World of Warcraft, a HUGE portion of the people i played with and knew did the same.

Same with Runescape, Path of Exile, etc etc...

 

Actually, now that i think about it, I knew more people that did it, or did not discourage it, or did not use a certain service for accounts, items, currency but told their friends about it, than I actually knew that didn't.

 

 

But that is up to personal experience.

 

 

The type of people that sell in game silver only hurt our game they bring the type of toxicity that leaks over on to our forums..

 

Yes, and i'm certain if you eat bacon you are ensuring the spread of communism.

Edited June 16, 2015 by Propheteer

[Stanlee 3,434]

There will always be toxic players. Hampering their playstyle simply so I don't have to deal on the forums seems, well, toxic.

 

Can't fight toxicity with toxicity of our city, of our ciiiity

[Deathly 230]

Rolf has given statements on how he feels on this and people have given good arguments here as to why it is allowed. Seems to me you're not attempting to make a discussion here you're simply just putting your unchangeble opinion out there and refusing to hear otherwise.

[Wulfur 32]

If putting a stop to in game silver sells would be enough money to hire one more Dev  would you be in favor of this ?  

[Stanlee 3,434]

I already posited an argument as to the likelihood of it actually hurting Rolf's pockets, and you're throwing hypotheticals based on you being right?

 

Stop. Just stop, think about what you're doing and why.

[Wulfur 32]

If stopping in game silver sales would add one more server to our game would you still think its a bad idea ?

[rixk 830]

The type of people that sell in game silver only hurt our game they bring the type of toxicity that leaks over on to our forums..

I don't know.. IMO those people bring the toxicity to the forums, who repeatedly come to forums to complain about people, who sell gold.

It is simply jealousy.

[Miretta 1,415]

...rolf mentioned somewhere that he actually wanted it to be this way...

 

also, I'm missing facts on how this is hurting the game, so far what I have seen is that people who have enough rl money but maybe not enough time on their hands, can buy "services" from other players.

Those players can then earn their gaming time, by working for those with rl money.

 

In other words, the players with money get more from their gaming time.

The players without money can enjoy wurm without having to pay rl money.

Rolf benefits from it by getting both types of players playing his game, instead of just those who have enough rl money. Also theoretically it's probably increasing his shop silver sales, since the good earning players WANT to get other players to work for them, so rolf even gains money from it. 

In a way it's a bit like the better earning people can financially support the lesser earning ones to have a community to play with.

[Laerck 21]

Really need some kind of proof Wulfur, not a bunch of hypotheticals.

 

I was going to post more and provide a structured argument based on my experience from the last few years, but your circular arguments kind of make the need for that moot.

[Kegan 3,926]

topic of the day i guess? 

 

Well count me as one of the people that want it to stay the way it is. 

[Stanlee 3,434]

You know what, I'm not a huge fan of markets and yadda yadda, inner socialist talking.

 

But damn you're hypocritical.

 

You talk of those players being self-serving, but your argument so far seems to be with the goal of getting more stuff for you.

You want to hamper their playstyles to aid your own, and you don't even have a good case that it would actually do the latter.

 

At least they could face that they're self-serving, but they breathe life into this game too.

[Wulfur 32]

Personal attacks on me is not helping please stay on topic

[Odynn 2,248]

Rolf stated it he like the way the game got a real money economy and promoted a website to secure cash / items sale.

 

I guess if the man himself want the sales stopped he wouldn't do that right ? Or maybe you know what is better than the CEO of the game.

[Wulfur 32]

Rolf stated it he like the way the game got a real money economy and promoted a website to secure cash / items sale.

 

I guess if the man himself want the sales stopped he wouldn't do that right ? Or maybe you know what is better than the CEO of the game.

 

 

 

 

 

His main drive behind that was 2 fold..

 

 

To enable people to buy sale toons /   items /  and yes silver         Safe   not being scammed like when just saw a few weeks ago where 1 person  lost out on over a 100 dollars  to our in game sellers.

 

2 was to maybe bring more people in the game..

 

 

Player Auctions was not a bad idea but again our in-game doom and gloom people only saw greed.

Edited June 16, 2015 by Wulfur

[Bachus 462]

As Mirretta said it is a matter of time or money for me and many others as well.  I buy from both as my time and money allow.  If I have the time I shop the forums or chat and get silver at a discount, if I want it quickly without hassle then I get it from the shop.

If Rolf wanted to stop it he could lower the price in the shop to the point that it would not be worth it to farm silver in game, but he sees people (like me) still buying his silver so he is not concerned and instead increased the cost of silver in the shop.

 

Also as many others have said if he made it illegal then regular players would not be doing the selling because of the risk of bans, but professional gold farmers would move in since their only goal is to make money they would not care about bans.   Then our chat would be spammed by gold farmers 24/7 like WOW and other games.

 

Leave it the way it is.  In this case Rolf knows what he is doing better than you.

[Odynn 2,248]

Please also remember another fact : the farmed money in game come from the kingdom funds (which used to be the trader pool), those coins come from the bank of Rolf and dissapear after a while. Unlike most of the MMo on the market where cash is generated (monsters, quest, etc.), in Wurm every coins come from the cash shop.

[Tsetse 87]

Players who are trading silver and gold is good for the ingame Wurm economy. People who want to ban open trade are obviously criminals who are not satisfied with the current price of ingame money.

[Zakerak 442]

If stopping in game silver sales would add one more server to our game would you still think its a bad idea ?

especially "one more server" is really bad idea, player base is already splitted enough, don't you think?