Posted May 14, 2015 if reason for such terrible rebuild in ship design was bad visibility, what is not improved too well now, why not let captain see through his ship? bit of transparency is better solution than these bad joke designs and that wrongly placed sail on knarr, what to say without risk of perma ban? first wave on open sea or first touch of light breeze will turn such knarr to side and send it to sea bottom ... knarr is shallow ship without true keel, it can't risk such sail setting Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 14, 2015 (edited) Way to describe the new knarr's sail... without a ban.... closest i got is this: Edited May 14, 2015 by Mordraug 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 14, 2015 (edited) [06:50:05] You are too far away to do that. I have to find that magical square millimeter that contains the singularity point in which all my crates and rafts are kept. I spend more time looking for that spot than I do unloading the boat. EDIT: I can't even unload it after boarding the damn thing. First I spend all day stuck because it jumped 2 tiles out of a canal and permissions to correct it were broken. Now I can't unload it. Please point me to something that works so I can be happy about this update. Edited May 14, 2015 by Audrel 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 14, 2015 First I spend all day stuck because it jumped 2 tiles out of a canal and permissions to correct it were broken. Now I can't unload it. Please point me to something that works so I can be happy about this update. Payments' system. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 14, 2015 Payments' system. Yes, it took my 2 months without a hitch! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 14, 2015 If you log out as a passenger, you'll be put into the commander's place when logging back in. Funny story, I had my alt logged out as passenger on a corbita because he was improving it, then maintenance restart happened (bridges and new ship models). Logged both chars back in, and hauled some stuff to the corbita with my main, having forgot I had my alt on it as passeneger. Suddenly I look up with my alt and I see the corbita take off into the distance in a gale. Assuming they had made in the patch, so the boats take off when not moored. I panic, disembark my wagon, drop all heavy stuff, and jump into the water trying to swim after it. No chance. I swim back, grab a sailboat and raise the anchor... when suddenly I remember, my alt's on there as [-]passenger[/-] ... huh, commander? I sigh in relief. Alas, a lot of strong feelings about the unarguably low texture resolution. Perhaps they were done such a long time ago, and never looked at again until being included in a shiny update? :sadface: vOv The glitch I was pointing out does have the potential of getting characters stuck or otherwise in trouble though. The permissions and ownership issues, having your boat owned by a "salt"? I'm glad I got spared that, I'd press a salt charges against the devs! Everything else seems to be the devil in the detail. Awkward sails, passenger heads obscure visibility in rowboats and sailboats. On the rowboat, there are these wooden stoppers where you "hook" your oars in for rowing... well, they're backwards xD Here's what I think will happen now. We'll complain for a while and flame "the devs" and Rolf on the forums, but eventually we'll shut up. And for the next couple of years we'll keep making bitter remarks about it occasionally:P Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 14, 2015 (edited) Here's what I think will happen now. We'll complain for a while and flame "the devs" and Rolf on the forums, but eventually we'll shut up. And for the next couple of years we'll keep making bitter remarks about it occasionally:P 4 things keep me in Wurm. Taming, my horses, my supreme rowing boat, and my rare knarr. Taming's still under permanerf, no need to explain what happened there. My horses are OK although at some point while I was gone the genetics' RNG got weird. Rowing boat ok.... MY KNARR LOOKS LIKE %!#$%!"%!"$ they're gonna have to fly devs over to teargas me 'cause I ain't dropping the issue. Edit: so not only is the sail "stuck" between two diagonal ropes that lock it into "capsize position", on rares you see a line on the hull, like a molded 1980's plastic toy, also noticed the shields were just noclipped into the edges. Does look like old graphics pulled from a 2005 CD-R and I must say that compared to the ship models that were just removed, amateurish as hell. Let the new art team at it. Edited May 14, 2015 by Mordraug 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 14, 2015 Overall I'm not entirely displeased with the new models. The knarr though.. I hate it.Edit: so not only is the sail "stuck" between two diagonal ropes that lock it into "capsize position", on rares you see a line on the hull, like a molded 1980's plastic toy, also noticed the shields were just noclipped into the edges. Does look like old graphics pulled from a 2005 CD-R and I must say that compared to the ship models that were just removed, amateurish as hell. Let the new art team at it. Getting rid of wood types was a big step backwards. That wasn't an update at all. I can't quite describe what the new wood texture looks like. It's something between old telephone pole wood and poop. The sails do look nice though. they seem pretty realistic if not a bid coarsely woven. But they do look like canvas. My biggest gripe aside from the weird wood is how the ships move position when you disembark, and that on the sailboat (which I use daily) the distance to access the hold is far to short. The Corbita may not be the prettiest girl at the prom, but the new facelift did her well in my opinion. I hated the old corb with a passion and I may just build one now. The jury is still out on the cog and caravel. The new caravel looks pretty but until I pilot one awhile I'll not comment. There's something not quite right about the new cog and I can't put my finger on it. The crows nest thing, as mentioned, should be reverted. that's what made her special. Again, until I pilot one a bit, I'll reserve my thoughts. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 14, 2015 As usual, 20 loud dissatisfied people, hundreds happy enough in the silent majority. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 14, 2015 (edited) Well add players 21 - 32 since I currently have 11 prem. I don't mind the sailboat, can't stand the knarr and something looks cheesy about the cog/caravel and corb. As someone who has served as crew on a tallship and enjoy sailing dingies, windsurfers, catamarans and even kites the lack of sail orientation in a realistic way also really destroys the illusion of being on an actual sailboat. Edited May 14, 2015 by Nappy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 14, 2015 WTB my old knarr plz, it looks like someone used the low low resolution brush when painting the new knarr, I can't see the front of the knarr and i can just glitch the entire thing through land until the back end where my toon sits hits the land. This is an improvement? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 14, 2015 As usual, 20 loud dissatisfied people, hundreds happy enough in the silent majority. You are making a big mistake here. Just because the 'silent majority' isn't speaking out does not mean they are happy. I have heard nothing but complaints in game about the new skins for the ships. They are called the silent majority for a reason. They don't speak out because they think it would be a waste of time, not because they are happy with the way things are going. 10 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 14, 2015 (edited) Well then add me with the 6 toons I pay prem for (in shop cash) and keep 10 or so deeds to the whiners. Corb is awful as I noted on the test thread - I just hoped it is just a placeholder for a final model. Caravel is a model in a bottle, only ok ones are rowboar and small sail. Reverse sail, textures ripped and somehow unrealistic new texture are just sad visuals but loading, embarking, position syncing issues are major. Edited May 14, 2015 by Jaz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 14, 2015 (edited) I'm seriously not impressed with the new boats. In addition to all the other observations in this thread, which I totally agree with, the thing that really jumps out at me about the textures is that they now look totally flat & painted on up close. From a distance they look ok I guess. But up close they look totally 2D now, like a boat painted on cardboard. Granted this is a 2D game, but with the old boats there was always the illusion of a 3D look to the textures. Now, the illusion is totally destroyed if you get too close. There is so much beauty in this game and the detail & 3D illusion on so may things is part of its charm. I am so hoping this is not a glimpse into the future of Wurm, (which sadly it currently appears is the case when you look at other things that have been taken away like wood types on bsb/fsb, etc.) I know they've talked about it supposedly improving lag, but honestly I've never noticed any change in lag by being around a lot of wood textures as opposed to being out away from buildings and ships. So that explanation just doesn't sit well with me. *shrugs* /me goes back to being in the "silent majority" who isn't commenting and supposedly happy with the new boats Edited May 14, 2015 by Amadee Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 14, 2015 As usual, 20 loud dissatisfied people, hundreds happy enough in the silent majority. So you're saying you know what everyone else is thinking? Do you have a crystal ball? Should be more like: "As usual, people making assumptions that everyone not speaking is on their side." 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 14, 2015 The skins do look very low res. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 14, 2015 they posted pictures of the new ship models in march/mai 2013 on their facebook page. guess since then nobody has touched them again.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 14, 2015 they posted pictures of the new ship models in march/mai 2013 on their facebook page. guess since then nobody has touched them again.... Ah, that's why. Well, LET THE NEW ART TEAM AT THEM! With the furniture they've been putting out, the walls, etc etc..... THAT is a reskin i look forward to oh yes. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 14, 2015 While I so agree that ships are now worse off.... Before we go reskining them again can we actually create a model for the placeholders currently in the game like the Valeri Temple!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 14, 2015 As usual, 20 loud dissatisfied people, hundreds happy enough in the silent majority. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 14, 2015 Well, I like them, they look fine on my computer and the textures even though are a small amount cartoonish, they are higher definition than the last type and to me look better for the game. Eg look at both Corbita's, if you think the old type looks worse than the next...it's a trip to the eye doctor for you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 15, 2015 If you think the new knarr looks better then it's the eye doctor, design school, physics' class, and mental institution for you *trollface* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 15, 2015 (edited) Did I mention the Knarr, no I mentioned in that example the Corbita. *Trollface* wow you got me there... As for the knarr not having its oars out..you do know that you don't necessarily need the oars to be out all the time, it depends on the wind. goggle knarr and see the multitude of knarr pic with no oars out. Edited May 15, 2015 by Milosanx Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 15, 2015 *Trollface* wow you got me there... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 15, 2015 (edited) I'm not going to lie - I don't like the fact that the ships look like a Lego fleet, but I'm not really fazed by it. I could've gotten used to them fairly quickly if it hadn't been for this: It keeps rolling rapidly back and forth while sailing too, effectively making the model itself cover an even larger portion of the screen. If I could make some suggestions for improval they'd be these:- Please make the boat + its passengers see-through- Put the viewpoint further up- It wouldn't hurt if they didn't roll either if not everything is made invisible. I know of people who get seasick from watching the ships ingame and I'm not sure that counts as a pleasant gaming experience I don't care about whether or not it's "realistic" to see through the passengers (unicorns pls, don't even try the realism argument) or that the viewpoint would be from a standing point of view while your model is visually sitting down. Ships and sailing overall have so many difficulties and don't need to be even further impeeded. This was not a step in the right direction. Edited May 15, 2015 by Aeris 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites