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And that my friends is why I gave away my freedom deeds and moved permanatelly to Chaos where we have other ways to solve our differences.


 


This is typical among greedy freedom players who want power and glory without war and effort. They put on the "polite" mask to win the public's acknowledgement and then try to slip in unethical bargains through publicly accepted methods. Sometimes they manage not only to win the acceptance of the community but also that of the staff.


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Do you understand the sentence? he was saying "am asking for cod, not for delivery because you are charging me 1.8 silver" Does that make it clear for you?
He was telling you that you dont have to deliver the items, you have to cod the items, thats why 1.8 silver cod charge is not logical at all. Do you understand that? do you?
And this communication error, caus of your haste? Just like you were hasty to post this forum topic without thinking it through. Be patient.

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So if I walk into a casino, and there's a slot machine with a car as its prize. it says the car is worth 30,000$ but you could win it by taking a "Gamble" of 5 rolls for 1 dollar.

I put in 1 dollar for my "gamble" witch gives me 5 rolls, I roll all 5 times and on the last roll and win!

I go to the manager and say "I wont the car!" and the manager says "Oh no you didnt win the car, you just won a chance to buy it!, the price is 30,000$.... pay up).

Do none of you know how gambling works? Tip: This ^^^ is not it.

Pretty sleezy imo,

Want some advice? Don't deal with people who you think have such shady backgrounds. Its pretty easy to go through the forums and see who has a trusted following of customers and who does not.

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It's not like he took your boats, your silver.  :P


 


Shouldn't do a name and shame just because of a misunderstanding. This thread is a shame in itself. And then you get the lame PvP trolls. 'we do business differently'. LMAO. That gets sooooo old. Nobody cares. 


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The market is not a casino slot machine. All honest merchants know of that and they all work on a globaly approved methology which says :


 


I pay for what I get, not for what I bet. This is a market, not a casino.


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Or you agree to pay for a few cast for 1s and just deal with that, no extra charges if the cast is higher.


 


Agreeing on something is one thing, having strange wording like that one "1s for a few casts, pay 3s if higher" is utterly strange.


 


Either way you can say, 1s for 5/10 random casts, 1s for a guaranteed power, or pay whatever casts i get. being 5c or 3s...


 


We all have different ways of doing business, reading carefully and understanding your options is probably the best thing to do.


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The market is not a casino slot machine. All honest merchants know of that and they all work on a globaly approved methology which says :

 

I pay for what I get, not for what I bet. This is a market, not a casino.

If merchants want to keep their reputations in tact perhaps they should not frame their sales as gambles.

Especially if they don't understand what a gamble is or how it works.

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Rather than true intent of wrong doing what it looks like to me is summed up best by Mordraug's comments.  In short could have been communicated better on both sides.  Each had a different expectation.


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When initial "gamble" of 5 casts was done, then the caster could've asked if he should continue. The other side on the other hand could've said "Stop!", when caster continued casting after 5 casts without confirming first.

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When initial "gamble" of 5 casts was done, then the caster could've asked if he should continue. The other side on the other hand could've said "Stop!", when caster continued casting after 5 casts without confirming first.

 

That about sums it up.

 

Also I hate you all, mine's only 91 =P

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Believe me, if for the price of 2s you have learned the importance of clear language when making a contract, consider it the best investment you have ever made.  Clarity is not easy, it takes experience and sometimes hard work.  You would be amazed at how you can apply this lesson to all sorts of real life stuff that may come your way in the future.  Live and learn. 


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Communication Fail. If it had been me looking for that cast, I wouldn't have done business with him until he could clearly communicate his terms. 


 


That said, 3s for a 94 cast is very reasonable.


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How is this a scam when you are told the price and then you just pay it?


- Nobody stole coins sneakily from you


- You got the product that you ordered


- You did not object when told the price


 


You were in position of power - you got the product already. You could have discussed the payment. Next time instead of "humorizing", try "confronting".


 


Sorry if this is harsh, but I don't want to be in a place where the guy pays me, smiling and "humorizing", and next thing I know he's dissing me on forums.


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Not sure exactly how priests work since I don't have one...


 


But if you are paying a certain price for a 'gamble', shouldn't that BE the price, regardless of the result?


 


I mean if you pay 1s for a gamble cast and the gamble lands on. say... 80, you are charged 1s. But if it lands on 101 you are charged more? That's not a gamble, that's fleecing.


 


A gamble should be a gamble, for both sides.


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Not sure exactly how priests work since I don't have one...

 

But if you are paying a certain price for a 'gamble', shouldn't that BE the price, regardless of the result?

 

I mean if you pay 1s for a gamble cast and the gamble lands on. say... 80, you are charged 1s. But if it lands on 101 you are charged more? That's not a gamble, that's fleecing.

 

A gamble should be a gamble, for both sides.

 

Wurm community is like that belrindor. As-well if you get an item of yours imped, And it goes rare or something higher, Your charged full price for the rarity of the item. So if your normal COC Large shield went supreme, Your charged 10s+ for it. Which is why i stopped paying for my stuff to get imped by strangers, Easier to just buy new stuff off merchant ads then get it imped/stolen from me. 

 

Merchant ads are amazing btw, Can buy 90+ casts & free CoD for 75c on some of them. Glorious pages they are. 

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A gamble should be a gamble, for both sides.

 

exactly, if you buy a raffle ticket for 1 euro and you win the jackpot, it is yours for only 1 euro. who ever runs the lottery can't say now, hey you won the jackpot, your raffle ticket now costs 100 euro or what ever..

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Come to Chaos, join either of the kingdoms and have your mailbox cast for free by a fellow player. ;)


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Wurm community is like that belrindor. As-well if you get an item of yours imped, And it goes rare or something higher, Your charged full price for the rarity of the item.

 

I'm sure you are correct that some do this, however I know not all high end crafters swipe the rare so to speak.  Ask around for the ones that don't.

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Wurm community is like that belrindor. As-well if you get an item of yours imped, And it goes rare or something higher, Your charged full price for the rarity of the item. So if your normal COC Large shield went supreme, Your charged 10s+ for it. Which is why i stopped paying for my stuff to get imped by strangers, Easier to just buy new stuff off merchant ads then get it imped/stolen from me. 

 

Merchant ads are amazing btw, Can buy 90+ casts & free CoD for 75c on some of them. Glorious pages they are. 

 

I've seen this happen many times, I've done tips out of courtesy to friends and alliance members for such a thing, but I don't support/understand the concept of tipping if the rarity increases. The amount of resources and effort you put into does not change whether or not it becomes rare, it does not become easier nor does it become harder to improve said item and you aren't losing anything from it as it wasn't your item to begin with, it's just people looking to cheat the market.

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Dirtying someone's name over a seemingly clear sale? Classy.


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Dirtying someone's name over a seemingly clear sale? Classy.

 

Paid for one thing, got another thing.

 

~*~Clear Sale~*~

AFAIK, the name has already been dirtied and soiled in the past, but it's not like you'd know anything about freedom politics.

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It seems like a missunderstanding to me. He did say 1s for gamble, but if he got a 90+ it would be 3s. I wouldn't drag him through the mud over something this. However, I do think it's kinda pricy for such easy spell but that's not for me to decide. When I was a Fo priest, I'd always enchant mailboxes for free if they were low power. Much fun. :)

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@akaedis : heh well, all the merchants/workers/whatever are not the same.


 


When i do guaranteed 70+ cast for 70c... well it's 70c either you have a 71 coc or a 100 one (happened again today).


 


Same goes for the rarity, turn rare, yay for the guy, did that increased my work load, not at all, if they are happy, they can always tip the smith, will i cry if they don't, nope.


 


Clear deals, double checking everything, taking care of your reputation and customers is the way to go.


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I'm sure you are correct that some do this, however I know not all high end crafters swipe the rare so to speak. Ask around for the ones that don't.

I would never ask any extra on top of an agreed price if something turns rare during imping. It happened a few times and also on impalongs. Sure I curse to myself but another happy customer is something money can't buy.

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