An answer to Rite of Death

[Alexgopen 2,376]

A simple solution would be for the Fo spell Holy Crop to remove mycelium within Fo's domain. This gives Holy Crop a reason to be cast and Fo's domain a reason to be spread.

 

What would that solve?

[Csponge 167]

What would that solve?

Everything? We'd be able to counter a lib spell cast by dropping alters and spending 300 favor, by dropping alters and spending 300 favor, its 100% fair.

[solmark 544]

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[Alexgopen 2,376]

Now I'm no ecologist, but it looks to me like this was grass before it was mycelium, and not steppe.

Is it flowers you want on the tiles? Or do you want mycelium to be green?

What is the issue

 

[Csponge 167]

Jock, don't play dumb, BL can heal off mycelium. BL has a huge advantage on mycelium, and we don't have a similar spell to counter the mass mycelium spam that BL can do EVERY 18 HOURS.

[dingov 826]

its been over 24 hours since i casted it and we can't cast it anymore now btw

[Mordraug 2,542]

1/3 mycelium, 1/3 forest (ambush potential), 1/3 desert-steppe?

[Alexgopen 2,376]

Jock, don't play dumb, BL can heal off mycelium. BL has a huge advantage on mycelium, and we don't have a similar spell to counter the mass mycelium spam that BL can do EVERY 18 HOURS.

Silverbean dont play dumb, JK can heal off light of fo. JK has a huge advantage on fo and we dont have a similar spell to counter the mass light of fo spam that JK can do every 2 minutes

[Edvinas 376]

Silverbean dont play dumb, JK can heal off light of fo. JK has a huge advantage on fo and we dont have a similar spell to counter the mass light of fo spam that JK can do every 2 minutes

What Light of Fo has to do with mycelium?

[Alexgopen 2,376]

What Light of Fo has to do with mycelium?

 

Silverbean said this is about healing

[Edvinas 376]

Silverbean said this is about healing

Healing off mycelium has nothing to do with spells that are used for healing in PvP situations. He might be exaggerating this in his post, but he is right, WL has no advantage just on having simple grass tiles, then why should we deal with mycelium in a tedious way?

[Csponge 167]

We have to pack, cultivate, and plant grass/flowers for every single tile

 

BL = 23 actions, 11 clay, 11 brick, a bowl, and 300 favor for 2500 tiles of mycelium.

JK = 7500 actions, 2500 mixed grass/flowers,  for 2500 tiles of grass/steppe

 

My pack action is 4.4s, cultivate is 3.4s, planting grass is 6.7s long.

That's 3h of packing, 2h20m of cultivating, and a 4h40m of planting, for a grand total of 10 hours of work for what BL can do in just a few minutes!!!

 

 

Edit: this is just 1 alters worth of influence, according to BL they made 40 of them, so approx. 400 hours or 16 and a half straight days of packing, cultivating, and planting for what they did in just a few hours.

Edited April 22, 2015 by Csponge

[Propheteer 7,139]

no actually BL has more spells to counter LOF than all three WL gods put together.

 

 

+1 for a spell that creates grass in fos domain

[Alexgopen 2,376]

We have to pack, cultivate, and plant grass/flowers for every single tile

 

BL = 23 actions, 11 clay, 11 brick, a bowl, and 300 favor for 2500 tiles of mycelium.

JK = 7500 actions, 2500 mixed grass/flowers,  for 2500 tiles of grass/steppe

 

My pack action is 4.4s, cultivate is 3.4s, planting grass is 6.7s long.

That's 3h of packing, 2h20m of cultivating, and a 4h40m of planting, for a grand total of 10 hours of work for what BL can do in just a few minutes!!!

 

Packing and cultivating have no chance of failure, however we have many opportunities for failure in the creation of the bricks, altars, and we have to wait weeks to get saccables for that favor, so think again about how much time it takes us to do this. We put in a lot of work

 

Also it takes BL multiple people to do this, however you're only accounting for 1 jk trying to counter it. Of course 1 jk cant counter the work of many bl working together to spread mycelium. We need one person to farm the crops, a person to go out building altars, and to do this theyre out on a wagon risking their life going very slow, at which point jk could easily kill them, we need many priests linked together in order to cast the spell. It takes 5-10 people in total to do this.  So add 9 more jk to help you counter the mycelium and it all equals out to fair and square, because it didnt take us minutes to do this, we spent all night building altars

Edited April 22, 2015 by Alexgopen

[Edvinas 376]

Now you're just trolling.

Anyone with 30 masonry or even less can produce as many altars as they wish without any failures. Getting bricks is easy as 1 2 3. You can place as many altars as you wish and wait for the spell to recharge, afterwards you cast it and you've got a bunch of ruined land.

 

Getting saccables is hard? A 10x10 farm can produce up to 1000 onions which is more than enough for a single cast.

 

1 WL player has to work hard to get rid of lets say 50x50 tiles of mycelium. Once again building altars is easy and you don't need to use wagons.

 

Rite of death is 300 favour. That is 5 priests with 60 faith, that is not a lot and you only cast it once, which makes saccable gathering irrelevant.

 

"we spent all night building altars" - if that is the case, how long will it take us to desecrate those altars AND remove the 50x50 tiles of mycelium?

Edited April 22, 2015 by Edvinas

[Csponge 167]

Packing and cultivating have no chance of failure, however we have many opportunities for failure in the creation of the bricks, altars, and we have to wait weeks to get saccables for that favor, so think again about how much time it takes us to do this. We put in a lot of work

 

Also it takes BL multiple people to do this, however you're only accounting for 1 jk trying to counter it. Of course 1 jk cant counter the work of many bl working together to spread mycelium. We need one person to farm the crops, a person to go out building altars, and to do this theyre out on a wagon risking their life going very slow, at which point jk could easily kill them, we need many priests linked together in order to cast the spell. It takes 5-10 people in total to do this.  So add 9 more jk to help you counter the mycelium and it all equals out to fair and square, because it didnt take us minutes to do this, we spent all night building altars

 

Even if I do take you seriously, you're still wrong, I told it would take 16 days even divided between 10 people that's still over 24 hours playtime per person not counting pee breaks...

[Alexgopen 2,376]

Even if I do take you seriously, you're still wrong, I told it would take 16 days even divided between 10 people that's still over 24 hours playtime per person not counting pee breaks...

Well first of all subtract all the time you put for packing and cultivating, because all it takes is 1 dig action to turn 4 tiles to dirt.  You're exaggerating the time it would take you. Take the timer for dig, which for me is 2.5 seconds, and multiply that by the number of tiles divided by 4.  I'm getting 26 minutes for 1 person to turn all 2500 tiles to dirt.  And like you said, grass doesnt provide any distinct advantage for jk, so all you need is dirt. With 10 people, you could turn 40 altars worth of mycelium to dirt in 104 minutes.

[krinos78 573]

You forget they dont start with 1/3 of the map mycellium, that would be more accurate. BL helped Rolf out and made it more fair. Thx BL!!!

Edited April 22, 2015 by krinos78

[Csponge 167]

We'd plant steppe or sand over it to prevent the mycelium from spreading again, so add 18 hours for every person, or 4h for sand for every person.

 

The point is, we don't have a quick solution to counter your own quick solution. What does BL have against a copy/paste Holy Crop spell for fo that spreads grass in fo influence instead of mycelium???

Edited April 22, 2015 by Csponge

[Alexgopen 2,376]

We'd plant steppe or sand over it to prevent the mycelium from spreading again, so add 18 hours for every person, or 4h for sand for every person.

 

The point is, we don't have a quick solution to counter your own quick solution. What does BL have against a copy/paste Holy Crop spell for fo that spreads grass in fo influence instead of mycelium???

 

You do have a quick solution, it takes 1 person and a shovel 26 minutes to remove all the myc created by an altar.

Also, dropping sand to prevent it from becoming mycelium again has no action timer, dropping is instantaneous, and you need only 1 piece of sand to turn all 50x50 to sand at no additional time cost.

It takes us more than 26 minutes to get the supplies for, transport to build site, build the altar, link priests, and cast Rite of Death

Edited April 22, 2015 by Alexgopen

[Morrowen 428]

Maybe Tosiek will get rite of death. Then every kingdom can help make mycelium.

[Csponge 167]

If you can't answer a simple question "What do you have against a similar spell for fo." then I have to assume that you have nothing against balancing this obvious imbalance in the game.

 

It's funny how when someone flips kingdom their entire attitude changes and they forget the difference what is good for the game, and what is good for themselves.

[takatsuki 739]

Hota is already covered in trees and open plains, its all gonna turn into forest anyway, the mycelium doesnt change that.

 

Yes! Exactly! 

 

The current hunt has been going on for 2 days now! I've personally spent at least 4 hours searching for the 4th pillar, as has several other people!

 

The tree's are everywhere!

 

We need to sand the HoTA!!

[Edvinas 376]

You do have a quick solution, it takes 1 person and a shovel 26 minutes to remove all the myc created by an altar.

It takes us more than 26 minutes to get the supplies for, transport to build site, build the altar, link priests, and cast Rite of Death

In 26 minutes you could make an array of altars spanning across a wide area. You can find a group of priests to link to in any deed, at least that is the case on JK. It won't take 26 minutes to destroy what a single altar has caused, you did not factor in the walking, stamina, uneven terrain, food, quality of the tool, skill of the digger and patience required to remove mycelium.

 

I thought this thread was about mycelium being hard to dispose for WL kingdoms, not about mycelium taking over HotA.

Edited April 22, 2015 by Edvinas

[krinos78 573]

There are 3 kingdoms, why cant they have myc on this server? They didnt whine about the absence of myc they fixed it themselves.