Posted March 5, 2015 This discussion came up because curves don't look too good on Epic for quite a while now and I have received quite a lot of suggestions for an Elevation map reset combined with consolidation of the Epic player base. It doesn't have to be lots of work. In case it doesn't help at least we tried to break a downgoing trend/flatline. You can go on about advertising however much you want but the ROI on that is usually pretty horrible in our case. We have scary learning curve and a java downloadable client. We need word of mouth to work and a good game that attracts customers. We are not interested in drawing players from other parts of the game. We want players to return and totally new players. New players could start on a the home servers but I think they work pretty poorly in that respect unless you think something like 10 new players per month is a huge success. It could be better with a consolidated server. Some of you seem to understand that spreading out population on many servers is bad and so do we even though some of you seem to think our main business idea is to open new servers all the time. It doesn't mean we want to shut down servers for those who live there and we want to avoid resets of any kind for as long as possible. When you say you are not interested in drawing players from other parts of the game, does that apply to other clusters only, or do you see home servers as a different part of the game too? I think my point still stands, Epic does need something engaging to draw people, be it from other parts of the game , ex-wurmians or entirely new people. Something should tell them Epic is where they want to go if they are looking for competitive elements. Fixing the things you mentioned is of course a good step forward and I am very happy to finally see you directly discussing community input, but I do not feel those changes will draw new people; It doesn't offer anything new. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 5, 2015 really curious what the outcome of a test without local would be. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 5, 2015 test it on challange then, not epic Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 5, 2015 (edited) Edit: and some bonus things when you are not in the savezone...to make it more attractive Edited March 5, 2015 by Eviloknievel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 5, 2015 (edited) * Remove CR nerf * Change /who and the status page to merge numbers on Epic * Remove local lists on Elevation a while and see what the effect is Edited March 5, 2015 by vill 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 5, 2015 <bind k "/say i play on alts"> no thanks Can the GMs be given some sort of room for interpretation? They are definitely smart enough to determine what is and what is not an alt used for kingdom versus kingdom purposes, regardless of premium or non-premium. This would greatly reduce the fear of new accounts and allow legitimate newbies to be more easily accepted into villages on all servers. A village of experienced players is its own source of protection for newbies, and currently we have game mechanics that fail at protecting newbies when some rule changes and GM intervention could allow the players to provide protection. It's mutually beneficial: newbies are safe and PvP groups have bigger numbers (Wurm PvP more about player count than anything else). Removing local list would likely mean players wouldn't find each other. Test it on challenge, if it works then fine. Making enchanting less of an RNG nightmare to get good casts on skilled priests would be great. Do something about horses. Hell horses vs. regular is unbalanced, and horse shoe imping and enchanting (see above) is a nightmare. Good gear on a five speed hell horse can get you across any Epic server in well under ten minutes, as well as allow you to choose your fights and not be in danger if you have top level gear (full rare, 90ql, 90 WoA). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 5, 2015 reset elevation map + delete local YES !only reset elevation map NO ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 5, 2015 maybe make imping items and getting high enchants easier too? it would promote pvp abit becuase people are afraid of replacing gear? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 5, 2015 You should also improve the Imping rate to help with re-gearing for pvp as this is the largest delay for most. The Hours it can take to create everything you need. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 5, 2015 (edited) maybe elevation consists of four major islands? Something like this with spot for teh new bridges to be met up would be great. Edited March 5, 2015 by JockII Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 5, 2015 Thanks for listening, Rolf. I'm probably in the minority here, but a map reset is exactly what we need to get started on improving Epic. The map is currently trashed and you can't walk 50 tiles without running into a huge pillar or hole in the ground. There is no room for other kingdoms to grow. If I wanted to make a PMK, i would have no options to build one, there is little to no land to plant one. I think if you have an Indy sized map and consolidated most of the pvp events towards the center (have rivers and canals throughout the map) and pvp won't be scarce. 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 5, 2015 I think if you have an Indy sized map and consolidated most of the pvp events towards the center (have rivers and canals throughout the map) and pvp won't be scarce. Rivers and canals would be good with the bridges coming in Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 5, 2015 (edited) and if you make F2P, do it on the home servers, remove the ability to see local. Edited March 5, 2015 by Entendu Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 5, 2015 and if you make F2P, do it on the home servers, remove the ability to see local. yeah spy alts are not good for pvp ;-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 5, 2015 can players be able to loot corpses with enemies nearby to pls 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 5, 2015 (edited) can players be able to loot corpses with enemies nearby to pls remove or rework that u cant loot enemy corpse if theres a enemy presence in local coz people are abusing it by keeping friend in local or alt and summoninig his corpse by karma points Edited March 5, 2015 by hubix Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 5, 2015 maybe elevation consists of four major islands? I had something like this in mind, this is my idea in MSPaint. It costs of multiple islands with a hota/event island in the middle. Paths that already connect to it from the major islands 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 5, 2015 can players be able to loot corpses with enemies nearby to pls We already had that problem and it was fixed.Too many times did the losers of pvp battles win out because the grabbed corpses and got lucky on res stones. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 5, 2015 Woo rolf! Dis gonna be guuud, Removal of local tab, Or at-least a lot smaller, Either way, This is great. Spyglass, Need to buy one now Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 5, 2015 I had something like this in mind, this is my idea in MSPaint. It costs of multiple islands with a hota/event island in the middle. Paths that already connect to it from the major islands Perfectjust attach the nottom right hand side of hota to that land mass at that side. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 5, 2015 Instead of removing all players from local maybe just remove players from enemy kingdoms? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 5, 2015 What you mean there may be an elevation reset.Some of us are busting our butts building deeds and now are not certain if we should even continue since it MIGHT be reset?May sound selfish but hell even when i was helping dsc that took time and would be a punch to the face to them if they just lost it all.Either say yes or no so we don't stand idling around uncertain if we should even invest more time. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 5, 2015 Rolf, if after resetting elevation you will still listen all the crybabies on a forum... better close epic permanently and let them go and play on freedom...Do something for us PvP players - make Epic a true PvP cluster. remove localremove cr nerfdont change how minedoors workincrease dmg and off deed decay on buildings and wallsdo something to encurage roaming, make leaving a deed more profitableif the map will be bigged speed up boatsin case of removing local, improve a bit ingame sounds to allow easier localisation of foes ( new map should be cleaner too - less olives and more open space in general ) but tbh nothing will help if we don't get some combat system suited for XXI century in near future translation by Qaay Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 5, 2015 Instead of removing all players from local maybe just remove players from enemy kingdoms?I think removing local complete is a bad idea.It's going to reduce pvp from roaming by a lot. It might increase it at hota though. It just means people will only go to hota with 15+ or be extremely careful. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 5, 2015 What you mean there may be an elevation reset. Some of us are busting our butts building deeds and now are not certain if we should even continue since it MIGHT be reset? May sound selfish but hell even when i was helping dsc that ###### took time and would be a punch to the face to them if they just lost it all. Either say yes or no so we don't stand idling around uncertain if we should even invest more time. When Epic was created, map resets were a thing. Why the shock and anger? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
