Question on "lost deeds" - due to the bans

[Chasone 0]

What is the concensus on letting Rolf give the lost deeds & writs back to players ?

I think I read that he said villages were made into democracies, so they could vote for a new mayor.

I know he gave the deed & writs back to LO - so why not put the deeds & writs that were lost to the bans back into play ?

Say someone has a hs, protection deed & they lost the deed & writs for that hs. They still have players in the village & want to recruit new members - they can't because the deed & writs are in limbo...

I'm sure there are opinions on this, so let's hear them.

[Xallo 2,624]

I agree.

[Annette 56]

I think that this would be a good idea as there are quite a few players in the same situation an all servers atm.

This gets my vote 

[Guest cneate]

I think that this would be a good idea as there are quite a few players in the same situation an all servers atm.

This gets my vote   

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[Rayjon 2]

Sounds fair.

[WinterSolstice 5]

Ì recall at Middle Rivendell, when one of our Town members and elders had hacked onto Rolfs account and flew around the server a bit and to my knowledge they did no harm to the game. But when they got off Rolf, they logged our Fo Preistess, deed holder and writ holding Lady of the Gates ... Rivendell to invite a new Character they had made earlier into the town and then logged Rivendell off and Logged on our Vynora Priest Cooljpx to cast on something or other and then logged off all characters.

We found out later on that day what had transpired on rolfs account and found that the play who hacked his account was permabanned and IP banned. When I went to log onto Rivendell to pray her I found she was banned also and the same went for Cooljpx when I tried to log him on. Upon talking to rolf and explaining that both Rivendell and Cooljpx were shared characters for which I paid the premium, and that We were unawares of what had transpired to Rolf's account, Rolf decided to remove the bans from Rivendell and cooljpx with the condition that only Annette and I (WinterSolstice) would be logging onto Rivendell and that we would be subject to be spot checked at anytime without warning and changing the password to Rivendells account, Rolf returned our Deed and Writ holder to our custody with a very stiff warning that we not share the Rivendell Account or password with any other members of our town.

We followed his Guidelines for a good 3 - 4 months. We were raided and found that had we given the password to Queenie or Keyos, 2 of our Long time friends and town members they would have been able to allow other defenders to enter the deed through gatehouses and help defend the deed. so at that point we shared it with those trusted members.

Had Rolf not stopped and examined the situation and taken the time to listen to our side of events... we would have been in the same boat as LO, by having premium paying players innocent accounts banned for 999 days and we would have lost the deed.

[WinterSolstice 5]

Perhaps we can some how register a player created account say named for instance "Joe Deed" and is designated as a town shared account that holds the Deed and or writs. Or perhaps you can purchase from the trader some sort of NPC similar to Merchants that is solely designed to hold the Village Deed and the village writs but you could log onto it if you are trusted with the password and move about the town and out of it say 5 tiles to make say Rolf your Friend and give him access to your gatehouse #3, your mine and maybe even join him to the town. The Character would not be able to gain any skills and would not be able to be killed by enemy players, but most of all if someone who was considered a trusted member and elder of the town was unbeknownst to the othe town leaders to be cheating, Macroing, changing the Client or hacking Rolfs account logged onto the NPC Deed & Writ holder "Joe Deed" to give a new member access to the town and then later caught the NPC "Joe Deed" could and would not be banned as it is a known and basically regestered as a Town Shared Account.

Let me know what you think.... :

[Safiria 0]

I agree with this because it's caused a lot of trouble for even the migration.

[Daash 183]

Rolf warned people about what would happend, even wrote that IF you had the paper to the deed and had cheated you should hand that paper to someone else.

I think he have been kind enough to turn the villages to democraties... so why should he be even more lenient ?

Id say NO.

[Mojo 2,096]

Balmore has a writ that I need and sadly he is gone now :[

[SwedishPhoenix 12]

Rolf warned people about what would happend, even wrote that IF you had the paper to the deed and had cheated you should hand that paper to someone else.

I think he have been kind enough to turn the villages to democraties... so why should he be even more lenient ?

Id say NO.

He didn't say he would ban shared accounts that both innocent and cheaters had access to.

[Red 81]

But those people did take a chance and share their accounts. :/

[Dozzybit 12]

Rolf warned people about what would happend, even wrote that IF you had the paper to the deed and had cheated you should hand that paper to someone else.

I think he have been kind enough to turn the villages to democraties... so why should he be even more lenient ?

Id say NO.

He didn't say he would ban shared accounts that both innocent and cheaters had access to.

There were no innocents, theyre all dirty rotten stinking cheaters!  :

[Guest Madboy]

Rolf warned people about what would happend, even wrote that IF you had the paper to the deed and had cheated you should hand that paper to someone else.

I think he have been kind enough to turn the villages to democraties... so why should he be even more lenient ?

Id say NO.

+1

[Guest Cory]

Rolf warned people about what would happend, even wrote that IF you had the paper to the deed and had cheated you should hand that paper to someone else.

I think he have been kind enough to turn the villages to democraties... so why should he be even more lenient ?

Id say NO.

+1

He actually very specifically said that if you cheated, you know who you are. Guess what? A lot of people were quite surprised to find their accounts on the list because they hadn't cheated. The way the warning was written, it implied that only the accounts of  the actual cheater would be banned. Oh well, what's done is done. Regardless, seeing the number of people caught in the crossfire for whatever reason, deeds and writs should be brought back from oblivion imo. The only people being punished now are the ones trying to play the game the right way.

[Daash 183]

Rolf warned people about what would happend, even wrote that IF you had the paper to the deed and had cheated you should hand that paper to someone else.

I think he have been kind enough to turn the villages to democraties... so why should he be even more lenient ?

Id say NO.

He didn't say he would ban shared accounts that both innocent and cheaters had access to.

He did say accounts that had used cheats would be banned, that obviously includes shared accounts that one or more players used cheat on.

[Annette 56]

So once again we can not be civil about a situation.

There are alot of innocent players who now have no access to writs or deeds that are out there because someone that either cheated, or used someone elses account, without the owner being aware of them tainting the account cause they were a cheat, let's rub all of their faces in it also.

I am sure that if players who shared thier account were aware that the player accessing it may be a cheat, they would have put their hand up and said "hey Rolf, joe uses my account, I think maybe he is a cheat, how do I know if he is or not"

The option of giving back deeds and writs, should not be about the cheats, it should be about the clean players in the game, those of us that are still here, every one of us.

Let's move forward, learn from all of this and stop the mud slinging.

Set aside your kingdom versus kingdom hatred for a while and put yourselves into the shoes of the innocent victims for pity sake.  They are the ones being spat in the face at the moment.

Anyways,  those are my thoughts, and whether you agree or not, let's keep it civil instead of a blame and shame post please.

Thanks

Annette

[Ivan Simconia 82]

Just a thought, as I have no issue either way..

I would think there would be a way through the server that Rolf can tell what writs are on what players.

Possibly there could be a way to destroy houses held by banned players.I would assume if they are shared houses, they are in a protected village. This would allow other villagers to access the belongings inside, and rebuild with active writs.  Yes, this would make items in the house vulnerable, but , as it stands, the houses under protection will never rot, therefore rendering the items useless.

Another thought would be to excellerate villager or guests destruction of all houses on deed, so these houses could be reestablished.  Again, this would only allow for houses under guard to be destroyed by rightful village mates or guests of the house.

AS for deeds being held, again there is server id of who holds deeds. This should be fairly easy to access and cross reference to banned accounts. Deeds held by banned players could be returned to mayor or a high ranking member of the village that player was associated with.  If an alt, simple registration and ip cross reference should ell where it belongs.

This shouldn't be that hard.  

As for JK agreeing to give LO back their writs?   BFD..thank you very much, now shut up and move ahead

[Sunn 0]

Great how this thread went off-topic so fast.

The OP was something Rolf specifically asked for.

It is ONLY about whether or not he should somehow assist those villages that have their entrance secured by a HS and houses that were held on a now banned account and now restrict access to those that were in the village BEFORE the bans which is now preventing these villages to recruit new villagers.

1. Setting the banned deeds to democracy didn't change anything since HSs have no villagers that could vote out the mayor.

2. PvP/KvK is suspended atm, so trying to destroy the deeds and houses during the migration and recruiting period puts the villagers behind the HSs in a grey area.

This thread is NOT about who, why and what somebody cheated, it is a thread about the playability of Wurm for the remaining honest players.

Could a mod please clean up the thread?

[Ironfist 0]

I think account sharing will have no future anymore.

All you need to do to defeat your enemy is to join their town with an alt and work and life there so you soon or later get the passwords of this accounts.

Then you edit some of wurms packs and login with this accounts.

A few days later your enemy is defeated and you can raid them easyly (like at lo happend).

[Murazama 1]

I agree that Rolf should destroy all Housing writs that are held by a banned character. Everything can be rebuilt, will just take time. If you are recruiting you can put the members on a probationary period by saying if you get this house built you are a member.

[Chasone 0]

Bump

There are still issues in game with this, was hoping something would be resolved, but I guess not. 

[iaqb 4]

Bump

There are still issues in game with this, was hoping something would be resolved, but I guess not.   

since he did it to one deed, he should do it to every others and looking at area history you will find that rolf disbanded few more deeds lately, did you ask Rolf for help ??

[Dozzybit 12]

I agree that Rolf should destroy all Housing writs that are held by a banned character. Everything can be rebuilt, will just take time. If you are recruiting you can put the members on a probationary period by saying if you get this house built you are a member.

Thats not really a good thing when the writ holder holds 90 of them lol

[Guest Cory]

Bump

There are still issues in game with this, was hoping something would be resolved, but I guess not.   

since he did it to one deed, he should do it to every others and looking at area history you will find that rolf disbanded few more deeds lately, did you ask Rolf for help ??

Yes, that's why this thread came up in the first place. He told them to see what the community thought. Then suddenly other deeds magically disband ala Rolf and they're still sitting with their cocks in their hands. Makes no sense to me.