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Meditating skillgain broke (successful gains aren't registering)

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I was pretty sure I had noticed this before, but finally was able to catch it:

Logging started 2014-10-26
[21:16:57] Meditating increased by 0.109 to 47.194
[03:55:16] Meditating increased by 0.109 to 47.303

A reconnect happened at about 10:20am on 2014-10-27

Logging started 2014-10-27
[10:30:32] Meditating increased by 0.107 to 47.301


I hadn't died at all in between my last 2 meditation actions. Again, I have noticed this before with meditation skill gain and would like to see it corrected. We all know meditation is not an easy skill to raise, and this bug isn't helping.
 

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reported this several times over the past few months, devs dont seem to care that you're meditating for nothing.


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Same, have noticed I've gotten no gains lately.


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Ditto - PLEASE FIX THIS !


 


Also stuck on PoK - can't get question at 45+ meditation skill - and with no gains, am unlikely to move on - PLEASE,  Devs, Please fix this...


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Unfortunately, I can't seem to reproduce this at all in order to try to help.


 


I haven't meditated today, but my skillgains for the month of October seem to be fine without anything missing.


 


I have my skill set to show always, my config set for this character only and this is my mediation from the skills.2014-10 logs.


 



[21:39:53] Meditating increased by 0.00834 to 85.1752

[15:15:37] Meditating increased by 0.00833 to 85.1836

[18:24:05] Meditating increased by 0.00832 to 85.1919

[20:01:30] Meditating increased by 0.00832 to 85.2002

[12:20:18] Meditating increased by 0.000282 to 85.20049

[20:51:41] Meditating increased by 0.00829 to 85.2088

[18:42:51] Meditating increased by 0.00836 to 85.2171

[19:19:50] Meditating increased by 0.0167 to 85.234

[08:53:13] Meditating increased by 0.00830 to 85.2421

[12:55:50] Meditating increased by 0.00839 to 85.2505

[13:35:00] Meditating increased by 0.0168 to 85.267

[18:33:20] Meditating increased by 0.00838 to 85.2756

[14:10:52] Meditating increased by 0.00828 to 85.2839

[15:22:26] Meditating increased by 0.00826 to 85.2922

[15:58:16] Meditating increased by 0.00826 to 85.3004

[13:53:48] Meditating increased by 0.00826 to 85.3087

[14:37:47] Meditating increased by 0.00825 to 85.3169

[15:18:23] Meditating increased by 0.00824 to 85.3252

[18:46:38] Meditating increased by 0.00823 to 85.3334

[10:24:07] Meditating increased by 0.00823 to 85.3416

[15:25:23] Meditating increased by 0.00822 to 85.3499

[23:04:03] Meditating increased by 0.00807 to 85.3579

[10:00:34] Meditating increased by 0.00807 to 85.3660

[11:12:34] Meditating increased by 0.00821 to 85.3742

[09:18:45] Meditating increased by 0.00820 to 85.3824

[10:52:42] Meditating increased by 0.00820 to 85.3906

[11:54:11] Meditating increased by 0.00819 to 85.3988

[19:48:17] Meditating increased by 0.00822 to 85.4070

[12:56:58] Meditating increased by 0.00819 to 85.4152

[13:52:01] Meditating increased by 0.00819 to 85.4234

[11:59:09] Meditating increased by 0.00803 to 85.4314

[10:48:09] Meditating increased by 0.00820 to 85.4396

[13:02:40] Meditating increased by 0.00817 to 85.4478

[13:37:52] Meditating increased by 0.00816 to 85.4560


 


However, even though I cannot reproduce this, there is a bug open (and has been for a while) regarding suspected skill  loss especially noted with meditation.   Unfortunately, as I said I can't seem to get a reproducible case so therefore it's hard to troubleshoot (for me at least).


 


The more specific data you can provide can be helpful.  Did this happen to other skills during that timeframe or only mediation?  Do you have your skills set to report always?  Do you save skills on exit?  Just trying to think about what would cause differences.


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Didn't happen to other skills; in my case it doesn't matter if set to report or not as I was looking straight in the skills tree window; yes, good idea I will double check.


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However, even though I cannot reproduce this, there is a bug open (and has been for a while) regarding suspected skill  loss especially noted with meditation.   Unfortunately, as I said I can't seem to get a reproducible case so therefore it's hard to troubleshoot (for me at least).

 

The more specific data you can provide can be helpful.  Did this happen to other skills during that timeframe or only mediation?  Do you have your skills set to report always?  Do you save skills on exit?  Just trying to think about what would cause differences.

Only happening to meditation (as far as I've noticed. I don't hawk my gains in other skills as much as I do medi because of it being such a slow skill to raise).

I do have my skill tab reporting back every gain, I do save all logs on exit (though I don't do auto skill dumps - I do those manually).

Honestly, the only "variable" or oddity that I could see in my situation is that I had a reconnect in between that timeframe of the 2 gains.

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Going through my logs, I noticed it happened another time back in June of this year. This time there was no reconnect, as the gains were days apart from eachother:
 

2014-06
[20:00:00] Meditating increased by 0.0725 to 40.222
Logging started 2014-06-05
[19:59:43] Meditating increased by 0.00289 to 40.2250
[02:49:01] Meditating increased by 0.0723 to 40.297
Logging started 2014-06-10
[23:38:38] Meditating increased by 0.0723 to 40.297


My gains since June:


2014-06
[20:00:00] Meditating increased by 0.0725 to 40.222
Logging started 2014-06-05
[19:59:43] Meditating increased by 0.00289 to 40.2250
[02:49:01] Meditating increased by 0.0723 to 40.297
Logging started 2014-06-10
[23:38:38] Meditating increased by 0.0723 to 40.297
 
 
2014-07
[21:14:43] Meditating increased by 0.144 to 40.442
[14:00:28] Meditating increased by 0.0715 to 40.513
[16:18:23] Meditating increased by 0.0712 to 40.584
[21:15:23] Meditating increased by 0.0714 to 40.656
[20:15:48] Meditating increased by 0.141 to 40.797
 
 
2014-08
[22:49:48] Meditating increased by 0.0706 to 40.867
[16:23:01] Meditating increased by 0.0705 to 40.938
[19:27:15] Meditating increased by 0.141 to 41.078
[21:36:27] Meditating increased by 0.140 to 41.218
[19:30:57] Meditating increased by 0.139 to 41.357
[22:48:53] Meditating increased by 0.138 to 41.495
[12:19:31] Meditating increased by 0.138 to 41.633
[22:41:43] Meditating increased by 0.0680 to 41.701
 
 
2014-09
[15:59:57] Meditating increased by 0.136 to 41.837
[01:01:52] Meditating increased by 0.136 to 41.972
[10:02:59] Meditating increased by 0.135 to 42.107
[14:59:27] Meditating increased by 0.132 to 42.239
[16:57:09] Meditating increased by 0.00530 to 42.2443
[17:46:19] Meditating increased by 0.0662 to 42.311
[18:41:46] Meditating increased by 0.0662 to 42.377
[01:32:39] Meditating increased by 0.133 to 42.509
[02:10:26] Meditating increased by 0.132 to 42.641
[01:11:23] Meditating increased by 0.0655 to 42.707
[05:35:48] Meditating increased by 0.131 to 42.838
[05:33:35] Meditating increased by 0.130 to 42.967
[22:21:18] Meditating increased by 0.130 to 43.097
[23:16:57] Meditating increased by 0.129 to 43.226
[04:22:12] Meditating increased by 0.128 to 43.354
[05:24:20] Meditating increased by 0.127 to 43.481
[12:02:30] Meditating increased by 0.125 to 43.606
[12:11:35] Meditating increased by 0.126 to 43.732
 
 
2014-10
[17:50:54] Meditating increased by 0.126 to 43.857
[21:43:29] Meditating increased by 0.125 to 43.982
[00:25:13] Meditating increased by 0.124 to 44.106
[01:18:36] Meditating increased by 0.123 to 44.229
[12:36:34] Meditating increased by 0.123 to 44.352
[09:48:34] Meditating increased by 0.122 to 44.474
[09:28:30] Meditating increased by 0.121 to 44.595
[05:09:36] Meditating increased by 0.0593 to 44.654
[06:56:42] Meditating increased by 0.121 to 44.775
[07:52:49] Meditating increased by 0.120 to 44.895
[13:39:02] Meditating increased by 0.120 to 45.015
[08:57:57] Meditating increased by 0.119 to 45.134
[11:40:01] Meditating increased by 0.00475 to 45.1392
[11:30:32] Meditating increased by 0.118 to 45.257
[12:41:44] Meditating increased by 0.117 to 45.374
[08:52:55] Meditating increased by 0.117 to 45.491
[09:27:13] Meditating increased by 0.116 to 45.607
[21:04:01] Meditating increased by 0.116 to 45.724
[08:03:46] Meditating increased by 0.116 to 45.839
[01:01:04] Meditating increased by 0.115 to 45.955
[11:11:45] Meditating increased by 0.00457 to 45.9591
[11:11:45] Meditating increased by 0.114 to 46.073
[13:05:04] Meditating increased by 0.114 to 46.187
[13:34:26] Meditating increased by 0.113 to 46.300
[10:50:14] Meditating increased by 0.113 to 46.413
[11:30:56] Meditating increased by 0.112 to 46.525
[22:14:32] Meditating increased by 0.112 to 46.637
[12:22:09] Meditating increased by 0.112 to 46.749
[09:12:52] Meditating increased by 0.111 to 46.860
[09:40:23] Meditating increased by 0.110 to 46.970
[13:35:32] Meditating increased by 0.110 to 47.080
[07:29:31] Meditating increased by 0.00438 to 47.0843
[21:16:57] Meditating increased by 0.109 to 47.194
[03:55:16] Meditating increased by 0.109 to 47.303
(reconnected to the game)
[10:30:32] Meditating increased by 0.107 to 47.301

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As_I_Decay, a thought just struck me.  (I'm not a programmer so I have no idea how valid this line of questioning even might be, BUT...)


 


You indicated that your last 'duplicate' entry happened after a reconnect.


This particular duplicate you are saying happened on a different day....


 


By any chance was the one skill tick the last thing you did before logging out and did the duplicate show up the very first thing when you logged back in?


 


I'm only asking because I noticed a 'lag' in messaging with some coin at one time.  I sold something at the token and logged out.  I signed in a few days later and the first thing I saw was me receiving some iron coins when I didn't do anything at all that day yet.


 


Just a guess.


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As_I_Decay, a thought just struck me.  (I'm not a programmer so I have no idea how valid this line of questioning even might be, BUT...)

 

You indicated that your last 'duplicate' entry happened after a reconnect.

This particular duplicate you are saying happened on a different day....

 

By any chance was the one skill tick the last thing you did before logging out and did the duplicate show up the very first thing when you logged back in?

 

I'm only asking because I noticed a 'lag' in messaging with some coin at one time.  I sold something at the token and logged out.  I signed in a few days later and the first thing I saw was me receiving some iron coins when I didn't do anything at all that day yet.

 

Just a guess.

Not a case of "lag", but I see where you are coming from. Went back in my logs to check the most recent situation just in case... and there were plenty of time/actions between the two meditation actions and the very short reconnect.

In detail (in case you're curious), a snippet of my entire skill log from the most recent event:

Logging started 2014-10-26   

[21:16:57]

Hours of actions later...

 

[03:55:16] Meditating increased by 0.109 to 47.303
[03:56:02] Mind increased by 0.000092 to 55.674591
[03:56:02] Aggressive fighting increased by 0.00286 to 75.0776
[03:56:02] Body increased by 0.000160 to 68.99256
[03:56:02] Large maul increased by 0.0217 to 68.618
[03:56:08] Body strength increased by 0.000008 to 65.357872
[03:56:12] Aggressive fighting increased by 0.00286 to 75.0804
[03:56:17] Body increased by 0.000145 to 68.99271
[03:56:17] Body strength increased by 0.000267 to 65.35814
[03:56:17] Large maul increased by 0.0208 to 68.639
[03:56:17] Fighting increased by 0.000893 to 84.89325
[03:56:53] Puppeteering increased by 0.00998 to 46.3319
[03:57:04] Toys increased by 0.00344 to 20.0665
[03:57:04] Puppeteering increased by 0.00998 to 46.3419
[03:57:08] Puppeteering increased by 0.00998 to 46.3519
[03:57:13] Puppeteering increased by 0.00997 to 46.3619
[03:57:23] Puppeteering increased by 0.00997 to 46.3718
[03:57:28] Toys increased by 0.00343 to 20.0699
[03:57:28] Puppeteering increased by 0.00997 to 46.3818
[03:57:33] Puppeteering increased by 0.00996 to 46.3918
[03:57:38] Toys increased by 0.00343 to 20.0733
[03:57:43] Toys increased by 0.00343 to 20.0768
[03:57:43] Puppeteering increased by 0.00996 to 46.4017
[03:57:58] Toys increased by 0.00343 to 20.0802
[03:58:04] Puppeteering increased by 0.00996 to 46.4117
[03:58:08] Toys increased by 0.00343 to 20.0836
[03:58:13] Toys increased by 0.00343 to 20.0870
[03:58:13] Puppeteering increased by 0.00995 to 46.4216
[03:58:58] Mind increased by 0.000019 to 55.674610
[03:58:58] Mind logic increased by 0.000019 to 62.340851
[03:58:58] Miscellaneous items increased by 0.000153 to 85.86211
[03:58:58] Body increased by 0.000008 to 68.992714
[03:58:58] Soul increased by 0.000031 to 43.043526
[03:58:58] Mining increased by 0.000214 to 85.14838
[03:59:01] Mind increased by 0.000019 to 55.674629
[03:59:01] Mind logic increased by 0.000019 to 62.340870
[03:59:01] Body stamina increased by 0.000031 to 54.611362
[03:59:05] Mind increased by 0.000023 to 55.674652
[03:59:05] Soul increased by 0.000038 to 43.043564
[03:59:05] Soul strength increased by 0.000057 to 44.216156
[03:59:37] Mind increased by 0.000061 to 55.674713
[03:59:37] Pickaxe increased by 0.000847 to 87.96775
[03:59:37] Body increased by 0.000038 to 68.992752
[03:59:37] Body strength increased by 0.000061 to 65.358200
[03:59:37] Soul increased by 0.000107 to 43.04367
[03:59:55] Mind logic increased by 0.000103 to 62.34097
[03:59:55] Miscellaneous items increased by 0.000824 to 85.86293
[03:59:55] Body increased by 0.000053 to 68.992805
[03:59:55] Body increased by 0.000046 to 68.992851
[03:59:55] Body strength increased by 0.000092 to 65.358292
[03:59:55] Mining increased by 0.00133 to 85.1497

and it goes on for a few hours...

[07:00:54] Farming increased by 0.000076 to 85.725296
[07:01:48] Mind increased by 0.000046 to 55.683281
[07:01:48] Aggressive fighting increased by 0.00143 to 75.1418
[07:01:53] Mind increased by 0.000046 to 55.683327
[07:01:53] Mind speed increased by 0.000229 to 27.36379
[07:01:53] Body increased by 0.000076 to 69.002579
[07:01:53] Body strength increased by 0.000137 to 65.37167
[07:02:03] Body strength increased by 0.000130 to 65.37180
[07:02:03] Large maul increased by 0.00996 to 69.1314
[07:02:08] Mind increased by 0.000046 to 55.683372
[07:02:08] Aggressive fighting increased by 0.00143 to 75.1433
[07:02:08] Fighting increased by 0.000824 to 84.94486
Logging started 2014-10-27 (the reconnect)
[10:28:33] Mind increased by 0.000011 to 55.683384
[10:30:32] Soul increased by 0.000446 to 43.05259
[10:30:32] Meditating increased by 0.107 to 47.301
[10:31:19] Puppeteering increased by 0.00975 to 46.4910
[10:31:34] Puppeteering increased by 0.00975 to 46.5007
[10:31:44] Toys increased by 0.00336 to 20.1315
[10:31:44] Puppeteering increased by 0.00974 to 46.5105
[10:31:49] Puppeteering increased by 0.00974 to 46.5202
[10:31:54] Puppeteering increased by 0.00974 to 46.5300
[10:31:59] Puppeteering increased by 0.00973 to 46.5397
[10:32:04] Toys increased by 0.00336 to 20.1349
[10:32:09] Toys increased by 0.00336 to 20.1382
[10:32:19] Toys increased by 0.00336 to 20.1416
[10:32:19] Puppeteering increased by 0.00973 to 46.5494
Logging started 2014-10-27
[11:08:17] Fighting increased by 0.000816 to 84.94568
[11:08:42] Fighting increased by 0.000763 to 84.94644
[11:08:59] Fighting increased by 0.000481 to 84.94692

.....

As for my situation in June, there were plenty of actions and plenty of logins in between the 5 days of the two medi actions.... even if I performed the first one as my last action before logging off on the 5th, it should have updated on the 6th. I logged in on the 6th, the 7th, the 8th and the 9th of June and the skill never "updated" because when I finally got around to meditating on the 10th, I received the gain but stayed at the same exact skill level.

I don't get it, myself. There doesn't seem to be a factor in it... seems very random. And, going by my logs, pretty infrequent. I do hope the team is able to squash this little pest, though... gaining in this skill is grueling work/time consuming, having false ticks is very disheartening.

And thanks, Alectrys, for taking your time out to make sense of and file all these bug reports, including mine.  :)

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As_I_Decay, a thought just struck me.  (I'm not a programmer so I have no idea how valid this line of questioning even might be, BUT...)

 

You indicated that your last 'duplicate' entry happened after a reconnect.

This particular duplicate you are saying happened on a different day....

 

By any chance was the one skill tick the last thing you did before logging out and did the duplicate show up the very first thing when you logged back in?

 

I'm only asking because I noticed a 'lag' in messaging with some coin at one time.  I sold something at the token and logged out.  I signed in a few days later and the first thing I saw was me receiving some iron coins when I didn't do anything at all that day yet.

 

Just a guess.

 

I have never seen meditation skill gains "lag" to show up in the skills window. And I am at about 68.9 meditation.

 

Im not saying it doesn't happen, I would have to check my logs to be sure, because I meditate a lot, check to see if I got lucky, and then log off.

 

Nothing scientific because I havent checked logs but it seems like getting a skill tic has gotten very hard the past couple of weeks, could just be bad luck on my part.........................

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It seems to have become extremely difficult indeed to get any skill gain with meditating.


 


I have been stuck on 45 for a couple of weeks now - very frustrating - i think As_I_Decay is right - it is broken - devs, please fix this urgently...


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Well, you can strike me off the list, I've gained skill now today and yesterday :P


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Okay, we're getting snow here (yeah... I know -_-) and my power just flickered. Modem went down but came right back up.

My connection to the internet was severed for about 2 1/2 minutes but for some reason my character stayed logged in the whole time. When I finally came back, I reconnected.

Anyway, what i'm getting at here is right before my power outtage, I got a medi tick: [10:00:00] Meditating increased by 0.107 to 47.840

Checked my skill tree upon logging in after the "reconnect" and my tree only shows 47.73 (the tick prior to the one before the reconnect).

If I meditate again, I am going to hit 47.84 for the second time.

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Okay, we're getting snow here (yeah... I know -_-) and my power just flickered. Modem went down but came right back up.

My connection to the internet was severed for about 2 1/2 minutes but for some reason my character stayed logged in the whole time. When I finally came back, I reconnected.

Anyway, what i'm getting at here is right before my power outtage, I got a medi tick: [10:00:00] Meditating increased by 0.107 to 47.840

Checked my skill tree upon logging in after the "reconnect" and my tree only shows 47.73 (the tick prior to the one before the reconnect).

If I meditate again, I am going to hit 47.84 for the second time.

 

Let us know for sure when you get your next tick if it is indeed the 47.80 again and post your skillgain tab.

 

Also did you have any other clients open at the same time?

 

The disconnect/reconnect may have something to do with it, but then that leaves the issue where a few days went by and you had the problem.  Just trying to gather all the details, hopefully someone else can figure it out and address it.

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Let us know for sure when you get your next tick if it is indeed the 47.80 again and post your skillgain tab.

 

Also did you have any other clients open at the same time?

 

Only have 1 client running per machine.

Will report my next skill gain.

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Finally got that tick, and yep...

[10:38:41] Meditating increased by 0.107 to 47.840

as I expected.

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Thank you for reporting back, As_I_Decay.  I'm noting this reproduction on the bug report.


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I've personally seen this on meditating and pretty sure faith, only ever on a net drop


 


Other skills likely have it, but those ticks are smaller and we usually don't pay as much attention to them as faith and meditating


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I know this is about Mediation, but I noticed this same bug with Channeling on my priest account Xorith.


 


Logging started 2014-11-05

[08:59:05] Ropemaking increased  to 23

[09:02:17] Channeling increased  to 23

[09:30:15] Channeling increased  to 23

 

That's from my logs. Between 9:02 and 9:30 I had been disconnected, but only briefly. The client didn't even close, which is how I noticed it. I saw it tick to 23 again in the skills tab but just figured it wasn't something to report. I've since been told that's not the case!

 

I think the tick was only .10 or .05 or something small. 

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I doesnt gain any skills when i meditate in 6 times in 2 separate rugs, and one is special place where i should get questions.


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I doesnt gain any skills when i meditate in 6 times in 2 separate rugs, and one is special place where i should get questions.

 

Not getting a skillgain and losing skill after a disconnect and reconnect are two different things.   One is a bug, the other is being unlucky with the randomness of meditation skillgains.

 

I sometimes go for days without a skillgain, then one day I get all 5 (rarely).

 

Play around with the quality of your rug, be sure you move the 11 tiles to try again, be sure you wait the 30 minutes between mediation tries if your meditation is over 20.  Even with all that, you just have to get lucky.

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