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  1. suggestion to please remove juice from transmutation liquid recipe to make resource tiles. To prevent griefing give it a limit of 1 tile per week per character. and to prevent griefing from a group, no limit timer on removal of tiles. Juice Solid Used on Makes 0.05 kg Apple 0.5 kg Tin Sand Clay 0.05 kg Lemon 0.5 kg Charcoal Grass/Mycelium Peat 0.05 kg Cherry 1.0 kg Iron Steppe Tar 0.05 kg Lemon 1.0 kg Zinc Clay Dirt 0.05 kg Cherry 0.3 kg Moss Peat Dirt 0.05 kg Apple 1.0 kg Lead Tar Dirt
  2. Nacho friend!

    So.. am I wrong? *sigh* . . . . . . O.k... let's do this.. at last, why not, what's to lose anymore. I logged one day like any other and got into.. whatever happened in that daily log below: Logging started 2016-04-21 [11:32:37] MOTD:Procrastinators unite!.... tomorrow. [11:33:08] <Magdegreen> did you knwo nahjo preists can't build fences?? [11:35:18] <Magdegreen> whew... [11:38:20] <Finn> rip horse.. [11:38:25] <Finn> silverwar/4sp/male [11:38:27] <Magdegreen> [11:38:27] <Finn> yello [11:38:33] <Magdegreen> hiya lol [11:40:02] <Finn> cant build fences? O M G [11:40:12] <Finn> did you know fences have the thing called 'continue' [11:40:33] <Finn> it's a priest, can create, cant continue [11:40:37] <Finn> so yea [11:40:40] <Magdegreen> that didn't work either [11:40:45] <Magdegreen> oh i see [11:40:57] <Finn> -------'s derp was like... 'can priests make barrels?' - no.. [11:41:27] <Finn> you managed to tame it or trapped ? [11:41:32] <Magdegreen> i had no clue continue was included [11:41:35] <Magdegreen> traped [11:41:43] <Finn> imo make screens or figs of them on max settings [11:41:45] <Magdegreen> both magde and cael nearly died [11:41:45] <Finn> upload somewhere.. [11:41:57] <Magdegreen> lol.. [11:42:03] <Finn> might take months to year(s) until next time you get a wolf or bear [11:42:12] <Finn> wildcats seem 'common' enough [11:42:29] <Magdegreen> huh... sacing stuff healed cael just now [11:42:39] <Finn> yea, there's chance [11:42:42] <Finn> from praying [11:42:45] <Magdegreen> cool [11:42:52] <Finn> didnt know sacrificing does that also [11:43:13] <Magdegreen> o.o mine me some zinc? [11:43:22] <Finn> from where? [11:43:28] <Finn> -------'s ###### quality vein? [11:43:32] <Finn> it's low ql here [11:43:39] <Magdegreen> I mean.... ok nvm [11:43:46] <Magdegreen> doens;t seem liek you wnat to leave [11:44:01] <Finn> takes 20min to go 1 way [11:44:07] <Magdegreen> yes yes yes [11:44:10] <Magdegreen> nvm nvm [11:44:12] <Finn> 30+to mine, get back, smelt, move [11:44:19] <Finn> it's why I wanted to do it than [11:44:21] <Magdegreen> oi [11:44:26] <Magdegreen> nvm [11:44:50] <Magdegreen> I gotta go back to ------- anyways [11:45:32] <Finn> go watch geers draw butts and tentacles [11:45:38] <Magdegreen> nah [11:45:38] <Finn> not in that order [11:45:44] <Magdegreen> o.o [11:48:00] <Finn> y u need zinc? [11:48:08] <Finn> make the green lighter? [11:48:21] <Magdegreen> just to toy with... [11:48:27] <Magdegreen> I need more blue really [11:48:37] <Finn> here it's capped at ql69 or something like that [11:48:55] <Magdegreen> if thats teh case i'll just mine soem 60qls [11:49:45] <Finn> think the one under bridge was better [11:50:56] <Magdegreen> jeez i said it's ok already [11:51:01] <Magdegreen> I'll just ask anther time [11:51:49] <Finn> what happened with ur crates [11:51:55] <Magdegreen> sold them [11:52:14] <Magdegreen> got 10s you get 5 [11:52:26] <Finn> did u even have planks [11:52:39] <Magdegreen> yes?.. [11:52:41] <Magdegreen> O.o [11:52:53] <Finn> u used ql60s on the bridge I think [11:52:57] <Magdegreen> i don't get taht question [11:53:16] <Magdegreen> I might have.. but i have 700 left over planks [11:54:18] <Finn> omg.. 0.0789 meditating skill tick now at 54 [11:54:25] <Magdegreen> dwho all do you like at our allinace? [11:54:33] <Magdegreen> yay! [11:54:54] <Finn> define 'like' [11:55:35] <Magdegreen> erm.. [11:55:44] <Magdegreen> like do you care if i piss off -------? [11:55:51] <Finn> I cant figure why -------------- doesnt like me that much, was kind of neutral to me before .. added a few red points when -------------- [11:56:11] <Finn> "development goes.. I just log to kill time with my stuff that dont matter for me or anyone anyway" [11:56:37] <Finn> about that one.. not really [11:57:04] <Magdegreen> good o.o [11:57:20] <Magdegreen> before you get pissed I can;t talk about it yet [11:58:08] <Finn> tell me tho [11:58:21] <Magdegreen> ------- was going to tell you.. [11:58:24] <Finn> something u did or about to [11:58:32] <Magdegreen> in the future [11:58:36] <Finn> thought we were 'living together' there.. [11:58:44] <Magdegreen> huh? o.o [11:58:49] <Finn> playing [11:58:50] <Finn> derp [11:59:07] <Magdegreen> ...O.O I'm not playing house noo you cna;t make me [11:59:30] <Finn> ok.. [11:59:37] <Finn> but we have a mutant dog [11:59:41] <Finn> *shrugs* [11:59:49] <Magdegreen> dit's becuase you're in my deed taht I'm asking if ou care if i piss off ------- lol [11:59:53] <Magdegreen> lol! [11:59:59] <Magdegreen> and bear now lol [12:00:26] <Finn> same question.. [12:00:36] <Finn> but not explaining anything, can we get to the point? [12:00:52] <Finn> I talk more often with ------- who rarely talks.. than with ------- [12:01:01] <Magdegreen> lemme ask ------- jeez... [12:01:04] <Magdegreen> true [12:01:04] <Finn> just like say it.. instead of .. '------- was about to tell you...' [12:01:12] <Finn> sure.. in 2 months when he randomly pm me [12:02:07] <Magdegreen> [04:01:28] <Magdegreen> can i tell finn can I can I please? .>.< [12:02:39] <Finn> yea.. that kind of stuff... makes me want to move btw [12:02:48] <Magdegreen> from me? [12:02:51] <Finn> yea [12:02:58] <Magdegreen> why [12:03:06] <Finn> too many things that you know but I learn last [12:03:15] <Magdegreen> last is not right [12:03:36] <Magdegreen> what else did i know taht you learned last [12:03:42] <Finn> well there's certain level of lack of communication and information sharing [12:03:45] <Magdegreen> the last dragon fight on rel? [12:04:16] <Magdegreen> I told you why I purposly put that out of my mind [12:04:36] <Magdegreen> [04:04:03] <-------> Yeah ... as long as he doesnt tell anyone else [12:04:53] <Magdegreen> but first tell me what else I'm keeping from you [12:05:01] <Finn> dont tell me [12:05:16] <Magdegreen> you won't be able to keep it a secret? [12:05:29] <Finn> if you tell me now I leave village [12:05:40] <Magdegreen> are you ######.. [12:06:13] <Magdegreen> I am at a total lose.. [12:06:21] <Finn> all I needed was YOU to ask me to not tell anyone [12:06:23] <Magdegreen> as to what you are upset about.. [12:06:29] <Finn> not you to ask anyone for permission to tell me [12:06:33] <Finn> it's pointless now [12:06:37] <Finn> dont want to know [12:06:41] <Magdegreen> what.. [12:06:57] <Magdegreen> do you even realise that makes no sense? [12:07:09] <Finn> you trust me with your priest or gear or w/e [12:07:16] <Magdegreen> it wasn't my info to give, thus i asked [12:07:20] <Finn> but not that you might piss off a person neither of us play with ? [12:07:37] <Magdegreen> i play with ------- all teh time [12:07:54] <Magdegreen> i consider ------- to be one of my better freinds on this game [12:08:00] <Magdegreen> right under you [12:08:19] <Magdegreen> except you do keep giving me headaches... and doing things i don't understand whatsoever [12:08:48] <Finn> what have I done [12:09:04] <Magdegreen> what is this even... are we dating? becuase it feels like I have a boyfreind right now... [12:09:29] <Finn> it's a village [12:09:33] <Finn> smaller alliance [12:09:42] <Finn> and we had some issue with information [12:09:45] <Finn> something like that [12:09:50] <Magdegreen> well i'm not telling the whole allaince about this for sure [12:09:54] <Finn> anyway dont tell me [12:09:58] <Magdegreen> omg [12:10:11] <Finn> ------- tried to pm me.. just closed it [12:10:22] <Magdegreen> i'm going to be doing a whole bunch of things you won't understand at all if I don't tell you [12:10:39] <Finn> it's ok [12:11:00] <Finn> that was my point [12:11:13] <Finn> I was put in that circle of 'can I trust that guy with this' from the start [12:11:27] <Magdegreen> I trust you completely [12:11:45] <Finn> anyway.. I dont care about w/e either of you is or will do [12:11:55] <Finn> just forget about it [12:12:08] <Magdegreen> flabbergasted [12:12:43] <Finn> is that even a word [12:12:54] <Magdegreen> when did you start geting so touchy... [12:13:18] <Magdegreen> [12:13:34] <Finn> it's ok, got a dictionary [12:13:41] <Magdegreen> did i do something taht was fundamentally wrong to upset you to such a degree? [12:13:42] <Finn> and it's ok, I just said what I think [12:14:06] <Finn> I explained it above [12:14:08] <Finn> it's ok [12:14:10] <Magdegreen> you get mad at me nearly every single day now [12:14:14] <Magdegreen> you did not Logging started 2016-04-21 [12:22:22] MOTD:Procrastinators unite!.... tomorrow. [12:24:21] <Finn> crask [12:24:21] <Finn> h //edit// blue screen crash [12:27:04] <Magdegreen> not sure if I should paste you everythying I said or just leave it [12:30:06] <Finn> go ahead [12:31:19] <Magdegreen> it's just me getting super mad at you =\ [12:31:34] <Finn> explain.. and lets figure it out [12:34:04] <Magdegreen> [12:36:03] <Magdegreen> troublsom part is how I make you mad every day now.. [12:36:22] <Magdegreen> I hate fighting endlessly about things when i'm not the one mad = [12:36:24] <Magdegreen> =\ [12:38:30] <Finn> I can be annoyed from side things irl or not and I usually say when I DONT want to talk, literally to anyone [12:38:54] <Magdegreen> yes.. [12:39:03] <Finn> yesterday logged to just move the wagon here and meditate, log off do some irl things [12:39:34] <Finn> asked if I can help with anything and you dropped me a silence and few .....o.o instead of coming, just sent me home //edit// wanted me to mine zinc, than got upset as I wait 10-15 tiles from her house on her deed's bridge waiting for her to come so we can go [12:39:47] <Finn> you do like to build and do your own thing, I'm ok with that [12:40:12] <Magdegreen> I do very much love to do my own thing... it's so much more difficult to work with others [12:41:04] <Magdegreen> I had been up all night and not functioning at all when that happened [12:41:16] <Magdegreen> and you seemed rushed, thats why I called it off [12:41:30] <Finn> could have explained it [12:41:45] <Finn> it's how you start a difficult situation w/o talking pushing people away [12:41:56] <Magdegreen> "not functioning at all" I do remember telling you I was drunk at the time [12:42:40] <Finn> remember u being drunk and being on a hunting trip.. driving the cart [12:42:49] <Finn> *shrugs* not an excuse //edit// that was kind of a joke.. but that did happen [12:42:55] <Magdegreen> that was different [12:43:06] <Magdegreen> you werne;t rushed then and I was just being me [12:43:36] <Magdegreen> we were on completely different wavelengths when you wanted to mine zinc //edit// I was going to mine the zinc because of skill level and.. she was just going to chill and help me kill the mobs.. [12:44:23] <Finn> had a plan.. log, go back, ask.. can I help.. [12:44:55] <Finn> u said I can.. and we could literally be there in 2-5min [12:45:05] <Finn> all you needed was your hh cart or w/e you mainly use to move around [12:45:15] <Magdegreen> I kind of thought you meant later at a different time [12:45:38] <Magdegreen> to me I have a mental list of all things I do [12:45:47] <Magdegreen> and I do thejm in order [12:45:51] <Finn> you wanted zinc to play with.. and I asked if u want help, u said yes.. that shifted to top priority.. [12:46:01] <Finn> but u ditched me on the bridge.. and sent me home [12:46:12] <Magdegreen> at teh time I was making dye I think... then I was going to make more crates, then mine more [12:46:13] <Finn> than.. I logged and you didnt say a word whole day [12:46:22] <Finn> it was my fault somehow [12:46:42] <Magdegreen> you could have just as easily said hi to me [12:46:53] <Magdegreen> dear ###### god I have a boyfreind [12:47:09] <Finn> ###### no [12:47:50] <Magdegreen> this is really dumb ###### to be arguing about [12:48:15] <Finn> I just take 'trust' to it's worth.. I did tell ------- about that place for example.. and I was going to back off from it.. [12:48:24] <Finn> you started to joke how I stalk it too much [12:48:31] <Finn> and than you was like.. no.. I want that -------------- [12:48:40] <Finn> and ... fine.... I came to help [12:48:42] <Magdegreen> i don't liek ------- [12:48:55] <Finn> explained all the tiny details about taking this and that.. based on game mechanics and stuff.. [12:48:57] <Magdegreen> from now on i'll stay out of all things ------- [12:49:07] <Finn> didnt want to deal with the ###### .. but you wanted them.. so I helped [12:49:34] <Finn> I dont like ------- [12:49:41] <Finn> the sense of... working with [12:49:54] <Finn> he's not trusty... I'm yet to see a fair deal with him [12:50:02] <Finn> he tried to low ball me 2-3 times [12:50:09] <Magdegreen> same [12:50:26] <Magdegreen> so long as ------- on my side i'm ok with ------- thouogh [12:50:43] <Finn> and his level of manipulation or w/e... is so... low [12:51:00] <Magdegreen> lol right? [12:51:06] <Magdegreen> it's so funny and cute lol [12:51:13] <Finn> not at all.. [12:51:38] <Magdegreen> lol where am I.. [12:52:33] <Magdegreen> eh.. I find him funny [12:57:27] <Magdegreen> are we done fighting now or is it still continuing? [12:59:11] <Finn> can do more some other time [12:59:39] <Magdegreen> you like fighitng in small batches?... [13:00:22] <Finn> I dont like it.. [13:01:09] <Magdegreen> neither do I... but it's one of the few things i like to get over and done with as soon as posible [13:01:22] <Magdegreen> and if it's posible to talk about it with a cool head.. //edit// another lie here.. never came clean about anything later [13:06:26] <Finn> [13:07:39] <Magdegreen> nice [13:07:59] <Magdegreen> a young one? [13:08:16] <Finn> foal [13:08:49] <Magdegreen> I just had to kill a bug that i don;t liek killing =( [13:09:54] <Finn> I'm still piss'd [13:10:02] <Magdegreen> ik [13:10:27] <Magdegreen> and I still have no clue why [13:10:41] <Magdegreen> it can;t be about all of the small things you have brought up [13:11:55] <Finn> just the tiny conspiracy you guys are doing... [13:12:06] <Finn> and trying to decide if you should or should not tell me [13:12:23] <Finn> imagine if I was doing something fishy with someone and not telling you [13:12:32] <Magdegreen> conspiracy... [13:12:33] <Finn> that kind of ###### is annoying [13:12:42] <Magdegreen> it has to do with ------- [13:12:48] <Finn> put some "", speaking in general [13:13:05] <Magdegreen> we just don;t want to be ambushed before we even finish what we want to do [13:13:16] <Finn> dont tell me [13:13:23] <Finn> 2 late [13:13:35] <Magdegreen> and as you have said, you and ------- have not talked much, his only reaosn to trust you is becuase of me [13:13:42] <Magdegreen> thats nothing [13:14:28] <Magdegreen> I have 0 reason to not tell you [13:14:37] <Magdegreen> I ask ------- for ------'s sake [13:14:47] <Magdegreen> and had 0 reaosn to believe you would be so upset [13:15:22] <Magdegreen> but you have been mad at me since before today and before yesterday [13:15:34] <Magdegreen> theres something I did before that upset you [13:15:55] <Magdegreen> likely if you weren't already upset you would not have been upset by today at all [13:16:44] <Finn> been upset before today.. about what? [13:17:40] <Magdegreen> I think it's still about the drgaon I didn't tell you about that was traped by ------- last time [13:17:55] <Magdegreen> but i'm not you [13:18:15] <Magdegreen> and as I have said before, I seem to do a bunch of things that upset you [13:20:42] <Finn> maybe I just take trust too seriously [13:21:06] <Magdegreen> as I have said I trust you with everything.. [13:21:21] <Magdegreen> my reaosn for not tlaking about the dragon is I didn't want to know [13:21:30] <Magdegreen> I ignored it for myself [13:21:48] <Finn> problem was the part with 'I dont know if I should tell you or not, let me ask first' [13:22:02] <Finn> that says more than other 'excuses' [13:22:16] <Magdegreen> ok phrased wrong? "let me ask if i'm allowed to tell"? [13:23:44] <Magdegreen> as an example.... if ------- was planing a dragon fight you would ask if you could tell me about it [13:23:57] <Magdegreen> you have done that in the past //edit// another lie.. was invited to a private kill for which I didnt want to go without her, than and there I kind of demanded a +1 or I wasnt going at all [13:24:05] <Finn> no [13:24:22] <Finn> I'd tell you either way [13:24:29] <Finn> it's a dragon who gives a ###### [13:24:49] <Finn> think I gave you my last talk with ------- and his private kill.. [13:24:58] <Magdegreen> you did [13:24:59] <Finn> I was plainly saying that I wont go alone [13:25:15] <Finn> and needed a +1.. if I dont have that.. rather have him invite ------- on 'my spot' [13:25:16] <Magdegreen> ok the example doesn;t work.. [13:25:34] <Magdegreen> are you still going to leave if I tell you more? [13:25:40] <Finn> never cared for silver that much [13:25:47] <Finn> I should [13:25:54] <Finn> I just dont want to know now [13:26:38] <Finn> buggs me that I was put in that 'hold' position at all [13:26:52] <Magdegreen> barely was [13:27:03] <Magdegreen> ------- wanted to tell you himself was all [13:27:14] <Magdegreen> but he was busy when I wanted to talk to you about it [13:27:19] <Magdegreen> and now you;re all pissed [13:27:37] <Finn> pretty much.. [13:27:43] <Magdegreen> look i'm not going to tip toe around, leave if you want //edit// huh didnt read this for what it meant at the time I guess [13:27:51] <Finn> and rather now learn withthe rest or not at all for w/e it is [13:28:04] <Magdegreen> if I have to tip toe i'm just going to be bloody mad all the time [13:28:45] <Magdegreen> hate ###### tip toeing.. I was never going to keep it a secrete, as I said that was done for -------s sake [13:28:57] <Magdegreen> for ######s sake [13:29:42] <Finn> carefully avoid discussing or dealing with (a difficult or sensitive subject). [13:29:54] <Finn> I'm not avoiding it.. I literally explained what bugged me there [13:30:33] <Magdegreen> well now i'm in a real ###### difficult position [13:30:51] <Finn> nah,.. it's over [13:31:03] <Magdegreen> only way to fix it... if theres anyway to fix it at all is to tell you everything but I can;t tell you everything [13:31:12] <Magdegreen> no it's not [13:31:18] <Finn> decision was made when you asked, you wasnt sure if you want or can tell me [13:31:26] <Magdegreen> not unless you say you zare leaving for sure then yeah it's over [13:31:42] <Finn> I dont want to know it now.. [13:31:51] <Finn> it's just insulting to tell me now [13:31:54] <Finn> that's the worst part [13:32:00] <Magdegreen> "let me ask ------- if I can" was never ever "I'm not sure if I can tell you or not" [13:32:05] <Finn> that's why I said I'd leave if you do [13:32:14] <Finn> and never read w/e ------- pm'd me.. just closed the tab [13:32:17] <Finn> I dont want to know now [13:32:51] <Finn> decision for me knowing was made for me, I was handled, rather than let-know about w/e [13:32:56] <Magdegreen> you;re ###### ridiculous... [13:33:12] <Magdegreen> you weren;t the one being handled [13:33:16] <Magdegreen> ------- was [13:33:26] <Magdegreen> i was careful for ------- not you //edit// out of context, but I have to admit it here - YES, that's true... that there is the truth, and what hurts after all that time we've been friends.. [13:33:38] <Magdegreen> I tell you everything that I remember bluntly [13:33:42] <Finn> exactly the point [13:33:47] <Magdegreen> but apparently you can;t deal with it [13:33:50] <Magdegreen> whatever [13:33:52] <Finn> you cared more for him than trusting me [13:34:04] <Magdegreen> no [13:34:09] <Magdegreen> i always trust you [13:34:14] <Finn> and your example with -------'s dragon.. I cared more if you can go, rather than if I can [13:34:51] <Magdegreen> I wanted him to tell you //edit// nothing more annoying than being few a cooked up(not full/half true) story from someone you do not really trust, add the part where I didnt even care to know w/e but was "forced to know after being handled as a risk factor to w/e plan they had [13:35:06] <Magdegreen> but was giving up on that and was going to tell you [13:35:11] <Finn> as I said.. we talk barely once a few months [13:35:22] <Magdegreen> so? I wnated him to tell you [13:35:26] <Finn> I talk more with ------- lately.. and ------- rarely ever talks [13:35:39] <Magdegreen> again... so? [13:36:12] <Magdegreen> just whatever,, [13:36:30] <Finn> 'him telling me' for me means.. 'hey you know what.. wait a few days for him to tell you' [13:37:07] <Magdegreen> i wans;t aware he was going to take his sweet time with it [13:37:26] <Magdegreen> I told him you were online and he was somewhat afk [13:38:08] <Magdegreen> like I said whatever, you don;t want me to tell you, as far as i'm conserned theres no way you're going to budge and thats the end of this convo [13:38:15] <Magdegreen> you go ahead and keep being mad [13:38:22] <Magdegreen> theres nothing I can do to fix it [13:38:32] <Magdegreen> and if you so choose to leave go for it [13:38:52] <Finn> just tried to explain how you say you trust me but.. you dont really [13:39:10] <Magdegreen> I trust you. [13:39:22] <Magdegreen> you ###### don;t udnerstand what I was trying to dop [13:39:25] <Magdegreen> do8 [14:03:29] <Magdegreen> god dammit [14:04:00] <Magdegreen> ugh so completely unreasonable.... [14:06:12] <Magdegreen> it's a freaking game //edit// true... [14:06:41] <Magdegreen> now i can;t even happily talk to you about dumb ###### [14:06:58] <Magdegreen> and have no clue when you;ll stop being mad if you do at all [14:07:09] <Magdegreen> becuase you haven;t stoped being mad for awhile now [14:07:13] <Magdegreen> and I just keep waiting [14:08:05] <Magdegreen> is out freindship just over? just like that? as I see it, you are the one that doesn't trust me... //edit// and did I have any reasons for that? [14:14:11] <Finn> try after 4+hours when I log again.. [14:14:16] <Finn> I'll be wrecked [14:14:57] <Magdegreen> why... [14:15:00] <Finn> 'i dont trust you' ? how [14:15:22] <Magdegreen> willy you be wrcked and why should I try again when you are wrecked [14:15:30] <Finn> as I said.. I was being 'handled' to be told or not [14:15:31] <Magdegreen> will* [14:15:41] <Finn> if you really trusted me, you wouldnt ask yourself that [14:15:47] <Magdegreen> as I have said you weren;t the one handled [14:15:54] <Finn> I get that you have -------'s interest or trust at stake [14:15:57] <Magdegreen> I wans;t asking myeself thatr [14:16:05] <Finn> but that was at higher spot than trusting me [14:16:11] <Finn> and you made me know that [14:16:16] <Magdegreen> no [14:16:40] <Magdegreen> it was all a manipulation on my part towards him [14:16:43] <Magdegreen> no you [14:16:46] <Magdegreen> not* [14:16:57] <Magdegreen> you were going to be told reguardless //edit// more lies...; she did rage tell me 'the plan' randomly much later in 2-3 words, NOT THE POINT, never was.. silly me.. I just cared for someone who... [14:17:19] <Magdegreen> but I wanted him to tell you becuase taht is what he is most comfortable doing and i want in [14:17:21] <Finn> either way.. I was told about it all //edit// as in.. 'it all..' what I'm worth, not 'the plan' at the time [14:17:28] <Finn> damage done [14:17:45] <Magdegreen> I'm not that frekaing talented [14:17:59] <Finn> I explained it to you.. that even tho you think and say you do trust me.. you proven the oposite [14:18:00] <Finn> and how [14:18:02] <Magdegreen> why should I continue this once you are "wrecked"? [14:18:15] <Finn> will go see my nephews [14:18:24] <Finn> I'll be .. ignored or jumped on.. [14:18:28] <Finn> depends of their mood [14:18:38] <Magdegreen> you see it as me haveing proven it but thats not how it is [14:18:46] <Finn> so.. be bored or tired when I get back [14:19:20] <Magdegreen> it was a "act" on my part for ------- sake... again, you would have been told reguardless [14:19:32] <Magdegreen> might still be, becuase I don;t keep secrets from you [14:19:33] <Finn> doesnt matter now [14:20:00] <Magdegreen> it does matter becuase you aren;t getting it.. [14:20:44] <Magdegreen> the only course of mind i can take now is that you;ll leave becuase i'll say stuff you don;t like [14:21:01] <Magdegreen> and thats very sad.. [14:21:08] <Magdegreen> so now I';m very sad.. [14:22:28] <Finn> ez.. dont tell me [14:22:37] <Magdegreen> not a choice [14:22:46] <Magdegreen> never was a choice [14:22:57] <Magdegreen> ok it was a choice if I wans;t going to be a part of it [14:22:59] <Magdegreen> but i am [14:23:08] <Magdegreen> so tahts not a choice [14:23:40] <Finn> [14:23:56] <Magdegreen> I don;t know maybe you should talk to ------- or work something out with ------- [14:24:27] <Finn> what about ------- [14:24:41] <Magdegreen> ask if you can live on his deed [14:25:13] <Finn> want me to leave than [14:25:58] <Finn> again.. you say you care but you dont, easier to quit and distance yourself than fix anything [14:26:01] <Finn> ok [14:26:21] <Magdegreen> it's much easier [14:26:31] <Magdegreen> especially when there doesn't seem to be a fix [14:26:40] <Magdegreen> not a obvious one anyways.... [14:27:16] <Magdegreen> just like working by myself it's much easier to be sad by myself [14:28:04] <Finn> if that is what you want [14:30:44] <Magdegreen> want.... right..... [14:31:34] <Finn> unclear [14:31:45] <Finn> is there anything that can be fixed or you just want me out [14:32:00] <Magdegreen> I will blab [14:32:39] <Magdegreen> I have 2 sets of freinds [14:32:50] <Magdegreen> ones I tell everything and ones I don't [14:34:45] <Finn> so I wasnt a friend? [14:35:08] <Finn> you're making it hard.. and cryptic [14:35:10] <Magdegreen> you are teh one I tell everything //edit// .... [14:35:19] <Finn> ok how did we get here.. [14:35:29] <Magdegreen> no i am not... you are firmly in the slot that i tell everything [14:35:39] <Magdegreen> becuase I was playing a game with ------- [14:36:21] <Finn> 'nice game [14:36:23] <Finn> ' [14:37:00] <Magdegreen> it's one I regret playing thats for damn sure [14:41:54] <Magdegreen> youtube seems to know i'm in the mood to wallow.... [14:42:45] <Finn> dunno... it's a nice playlist [14:44:12] <Magdegreen> ah you sent me a playlist..... it's full of my favorites... and fits my mood well.... [14:53:53] <Finn> logging for now [14:54:24] <Magdegreen> k... Logging started 2016-04-21 [18:33:10] MOTD:Procrastinators unite!.... tomorrow. Logging started 2016-04-21 [21:59:51] MOTD:Procrastinators unite!.... tomorrow. Logging started 2016-04-22 [11:58:23] MOTD:Procrastinators unite!.... tomorrow. Logging started 2016-04-22 [18:27:12] MOTD:Procrastinators unite!.... tomorrow. Logging started 2016-04-22 [20:37:48] MOTD:Procrastinators unite!.... tomorrow. [01:06:47] <Magdegreen> o/ Logging started 2016-04-23 [01:16:54] MOTD:Procrastinators unite!.... tomorrow. [02:06:44] <Magdegreen> I did o/ before you dced... I'm not giving you the silent treatment [02:18:53] <Magdegreen> guess theres no real reason to say that since I'm the one being ignored huh.... I still have absolutly no idea what I did wrong [03:00:18] <Finn> yo [03:00:35] <Finn> [03:02:20] <Finn> was afk.. 1 game leads to another... and .. yea [04:39:05] <Magdegreen> brought you your corb back and the rares you let me borrow [04:39:35] <Magdegreen> whatever I did I'm sorry... and I don't feel ok keeping jyour stuff when we are not on tlaking terms [04:40:59] <Magdegreen> tell me if I forgot anything [04:43:55] <Finn> I didnt want anything [04:43:58] <Finn> we barely talked today Pretty much main thing here is .. how I lost a almost half a year old friend which I used to spend my days playing or talking with.. for half to whole day. There's more to it, I left her village a few days or within a week later of that village log, right after she came to randomly drop some of my things that I had given to her. It was than when I left her deed(used to be a villager there), her returning of some of my items was kind of a sign to cut any relation with me or my items.. I did return them to her, I didnt want to end things there.. but there had to be some space to sort things. After a week or 2 later of no development, and random short awkward talks I did 'apologize'(not exactly.. I didnt see any reason for which I had to..), but I didnt want to lose a good friend(best one I had in wurm or online at the time), after some talk.. I kind of got back to being a citizen at her deed, assured that I can trust her(as in... I asked her a few times if I can trust her.. and got a 'yes' back..), only to be kicked/ignored/and kos'd less than 24hours later on the day after, randomly as we have casual talk about what we do at the moment in alliance chat. At which point... you've heard about 'fool me one, fool me twise'.. than's when I really needed a reason and gone toxic about it.. as I was ignored.. I had to pm and ask with alt(s) - none of that helped, I emailed - I got lies back.. like how I am responsible for deed's layout, house furniture arrangement, annoying habbits of mine that piss her off, and how I made fun of her that day in alliance chat for building a guard tower in perimeter without plans to expand over it. Lies. I have maybe put an altar on a whim for which I am sure that I was allowed to put one aboveground, not sure if it was ok where I did place it; none of the deed's layout is my doing.. she did plan it all and built 90-95% of it if not more.. I barely helped working on a few walls/fences that were planned already; house arrangement - HA, NO, I logged on her alt to make a whetstone for a mission.. took me 20 to 30 minutes to find a stone chisel('sounds like a person who knows where to find one, as I was already in the building where at least 5-10 of those sneaky tools are hiding'), my annoying habbits more of a thing.. where I drag my cart in her face while she works on something.. it's a thing that she used to do to me.. and I have explained to her how annoying it is, and she kept doing it, so I started here and there to do the same to her, apparently the 2nd or 3rd time drove her mad *shrugs* why did she do it to me if it would annoy her than. That were the email lies.. Around 2 days after the kick/ignore/kos.. I log in an alt to go and try communicate/as I am ignored/ .. maybe drop a pile of items, name things.. or make a sign and name it.. with a question, request to talk to me.. idk, blank character.. you know how hard making a plank is.. anyway.. I was kos on my alt also \o/ fun times.. I spawn in the water.. swimming from her water perimeter border to her deed.. update... no more templars to chase me, after she hired some to chase me out of the deed's border but killed a champion cat and a hell horse.. I move past a pile I made the day before and drag a thing to my inventory which shouldnt take the item.. and it does remain on my character, which never had permissions on the deed, Odd. Run up to the token and saw that non-citizens have full permissions to tale planted things or w/e.. anything, from the deed or buildings, here I think.. she might have had some idk what moment.. and quit the game.. put all items to be free for the taking.. and move on.. well sh.., nobody wants that so .. I tried to talk to a CA to contact a GM to lock her deed until she logs back sooner or later.. eventually.. just to find her things; no luck there.. not possible to interfere from what I was told.. so I tabbed to my afk main and grabbed 2 horses and a boat.. sailed over.. used wagons I had still laying around, spent maybe 2 to 3 hours total to load her things to the wagons so she can find portion of her most valuable things if/when she logins back.. and while I'm at it.. after an hour and something running around moving things.. I had a thought to call 1 of her new friends.. maybe it could get her to login and fix her deed as gms werent an option.. worked.. she did login, mad, I dont know if she knew that I was the reason for her to log.. first thing I got was..: [01:49:38] <Magdegreen> I hope you got all that you wnated. [01:49:48] <Finn> no [01:49:52] <Finn> havent taken anything [01:50:02] <Finn> can you like let me drop/unload the hotas? [01:50:03] <Magdegreen> teh hotas? [01:50:13] <Magdegreen> lI don't ###### trust you [01:50:17] <Finn> give me permission to unload [01:50:20] <Finn> I dont give a ###### [01:50:28] <Magdegreen> I didn't change those settings [01:50:31] <Finn> right now 1 is in the boat another on me.. and I cant drop them [01:50:35] <Magdegreen> so who did? [01:50:44] <Finn> you kicked me from the village [01:50:54] <Finn> there was an update the other day [01:50:56] <Finn> ask the devs [01:51:01] <Finn> you were the one who kicked me [01:51:16] <Finn> I never touched any permission, only advised you to fix some [01:51:31] <Finn> done [01:51:32] <Magdegreen> what were you even doing here? [01:51:35] <Finn> lock permissions [01:51:51] <Finn> you have permissions to the S1/S2 wagons by the bridge [01:52:16] <Magdegreen> ... [01:52:19] <Finn> sorry for the mess but given your deed was a mess.. and your house was under same rules... tried to save all what's worth anything [01:52:31] <Finn> best storage near was the wagons above [01:52:49] <Finn> [01:52:55] <Finn> have nothing on the knarr [01:53:11] <Finn> I'd still like to get my things [01:53:35] <Finn> not this way, I just logged ------- to see if you was online and saw that I can pick the 0.01 large nail from the pile [01:53:37] <Magdegreen> I don't even know what you're refering to [01:53:41] <Finn> checked token for permissions [01:53:57] <Finn> sigh... I'll sail away.. fix your stuff... [01:54:05] <Finn> just pm me when you want to talk [01:54:30] <Magdegreen> what if I never do? [01:54:46] <Finn> I still want my tools [01:54:50] <Finn> I dont like dramas [01:55:03] <Magdegreen> what tools [01:55:04] <Finn> if your plan was all along to rob me of bunch of items.. I fell for it [01:55:08] <Finn> whatever [01:55:14] <Magdegreen> idk what whatever is [01:55:57] <Finn> I'd really like to know why you pulled all this [01:56:13] <Finn> I havent changed, literally all I do is create/imp stuff and level skills [01:56:19] <Finn> and had you for fun time chatting [01:57:17] <Magdegreen> you were treating me wrongly.... I don't have to explain how [01:57:32] <Finn> ok [01:57:51] <Finn> I'd still like to get my corbita back and my rare tools lantern etc.. keep the needle and maul [01:58:21] <Finn> along them.. anything I've made and you dont insist on keeping .. I'd like to get back [01:58:25] <Finn> that's all [01:58:34] <Finn> I cant force you in any way to get any of that [01:58:41] <Magdegreen> ik [01:58:44] <Finn> nor any gm will help me in this game [01:59:01] <Magdegreen> I'll think about it [01:59:14] <Magdegreen> you're keeping teh rare forge huh? [01:59:36] <Finn> I can only assure you that before all this .. I never said anything bad against you to anyone [01:59:44] <Finn> nor did anything bad for you [01:59:57] <Finn> why not? you're keeping 2 rares [02:00:14] <Magdegreen> idk what rares you are even tlaking about [02:00:28] <Finn> point.. I returned your rares, we reunited and you kept my gifts and yours, you didnt care to give me anything [02:00:35] <Finn> that's how much you valued me //edit// to this day she never regret any of her doings, she didnt return anything either. Later same day/morning.. a gm pm'd me asking about the things that happened above.. if I have messed with the permissions ot have taken anything, she apparently put a ticket about me messing her deed or stealing, probably both... odd part.. I got all my rare items that I had given her.. and the boat that she wasnt sure she wants to give me back.. from what I know not because she wanted to return any of that on her own. I kept asking her to give me my other items, to this day - she never did return any of the raw materials or items that were mine or our shared to use or sell. Logging started 2016-05-23 [15:33:26] <Finn> griefer [15:33:49] <Caelus> how so [15:34:59] <Finn> really? [15:35:09] <Finn> kicked me.. no reason, kept all of mine [15:35:14] <Finn> 'how so' [15:35:34] <Caelus> gave back all of yours [15:35:39] <Caelus> thus I'm not [15:35:46] <Caelus> you need to stop obsessing [15:36:08] <Finn> really? [15:36:51] <Finn> check more than half the things on your deeds and containers [15:37:47] <Caelus> yeah well thats slowly going away so you don't need to worry about it [15:37:59] <Finn> oh really? [15:38:08] <Caelus> not like any thats left is anything that you care about anyways [15:38:13] <Caelus> yeah. [15:38:14] <Finn> I'm so "happy' that I'm helping my griefer than [15:38:25] <Finn> 'dont have to worry about it' [15:38:28] <Caelus> you're greifer... hah [15:38:37] <Caelus> you are so funny... [15:38:43] <Finn> am I? [15:38:47] <Caelus> yeah [15:38:48] <Finn> that a girl stole so much from me? [15:39:04] <Caelus> becuase there is nothing... nothing at all that I am doing to you [15:39:11] <Caelus> I didn't [15:39:17] <Caelus> I gave all of your ###### back //edit// she didnt give me anything back, a gm did, she didnt give me a single thing [15:39:20] <Finn> nothing you're doing to me? [15:39:36] <Finn> you were the one person I trusted and all I wanted back was the same.. [15:39:36] <System> Caelus is not currently available, please try again later. //edit// another ignore, how she handles things What I dont get is.. how someone I trusted and I never imagined to have issues with could turn into this thing.. that has lying for nothing, manipulating people, toying with them, playing with people she doesnt like or trust for entertainment. The reason I chose to play the way I did was simple.. not get into bullsh.. like this(.... by far nothing remotely close to this), I dont get the toying and manipulating part either.. if I dont like someone - I dont play with them.. I dont keep them close to entertain me, that's.. sick. I dont know what else to say/write/, it's hard to believe this transformation from best friend to this.. and it's weird to see her drop some of the tons of smileys she does in global/freedom, I cant look at the name without disgust. Why am I sharing this, because I had to, I didnt really want to.. but felt like I had to share it for the sake of whoever takes any lesson from it. For what I know, my friendship was traded for a chaos wagon and few flags and promised position in a new pmk. FeelsBadMan
  3. Since the enclosure rules were removed, it's essentially "deed it or lose it" on Freedom Isles. This is an absolutely horrible policy and makes the game less attractive. The game already costs money to play with full features. Why should I have to pay more to protect my things in a PVE server? I think enclosures should be protected again. The enclosure rule had a measure against inactive players already. (If a fence decays, it's no longer an enclosure and people can do whatever to it.) I was considering buying premium time, but since I found out the enclosure rule had been removed, I'm hesitant. This may tip the balance in favor of me going back to Minecraft or RuneScape rather than continuing to play Wurm, which is expensive with only subscription fees.
  4. Wurm has always had a problem with griefers and general anti-social behavior from a few that spoil things for the many which seems to have become worse lately. Also the methods of punishment are either nonexistent or ineffective. Permanent Bans are a last ditch resort and temporary bans are a joke for those wishing to engage in this anti-social behavior much like getting expelled from school which only worked at all because it effected the parents meanwhile the kids were happy to be expelled. Also it seems the GM's do not have the time to properly investigate the causes, effects, and most effective response for this behavior. I am suggesting a justice and punishment system similar to real life to bring a new layer of consequences to this anti-social behavior that will hopefully lessen the part GM's play and give players the ability to govern themselves while preventing any seemed favoritism. Part One: When an incident happens it is investigated by the nearest CA, CM, or GM if they actually play in that area. They gather statements from both sides, what evidence they see possibly screenshots as well, and report any other evidence they deem necessary. They then form a report and submit it to a justice committee (formed of CA's) who render a verdict of guilty or innocent, perhaps with a recommendation of punishment to the GM who carries out the sentencing. The council would be 3 CA's who would change month to month basically acting as a jury and the GM would be the judge. Part Two: As an additional option to Banning we could have a prison. A sentence in this prison would be longer than a general ban but with the option to get out sooner with hard labor. By hard labor I do not mean using their skills and enchanted tools they would be transported by the GM to this prison where their skills and equipment would be set to that one would have straight form the tutorial. They could not teleport, or suicide out as this would be their only option to re-spawn. For a minor infraction a sentence could be 30 days or the mission of mining and making 3000 bricks. When their mission is completed they can portal back to their home server starting point. This way the players could decide what actions are considered griefing in their own kingdom and the appropriate punishment for each individual's bad behavior.
  5. So perimeters..... always been a point of contention and a favorite for griefing a deed.... In a Town Square thread I popped the comment about them that goes: "50% of the cost for 0% of the benefits sounds like a really shoddy deal to me". Problem is they're free for all but they're not but they are but they're free but they're mandatory but you can pay to expand them but they're free for all. And griefers are LOVING IT, nothing like finding a deed far from everyone else and digging the perimeter clean, then walking away clean because "i needed the dirt" (go to a desert, make a dredge, you putz that's a weak excuse.... yet it works). Then the affected deed's owner can't retaliate, even if it's digging up that exact same dirt from the griefer's perimeter because suddenly "intent" becomes oooh so clear and victim becomes criminal. Brings us to the classic Wurm scenario... one guy can get many people to quit so less revenue for Wurm. People start suspecting GM's: <--- (FFS THESE ARE EXAMPLES OF WHAT PEOPLE END UP THINKING, NOT ME MAKING AFFIRMATIONS ABOUT GAME STAFF) a) Don't give a hell hound's foot fire. Are corrupt and accepted some form of silver bribe. c) Are covering for a friend. d) Are inept. e) You name it, for example I've caught myself wondering if griefers are given that much liberty to coax people into expanding deeds and thus upkeep costs. So back to 50% cost for 0% benefits. Given the traditional modus operandi of griefing someone via their perimeter (those goddamn 5 tiles are almost an invitation).... why not give perimeters 50% of the benefits too. Tied directly to deed settings (if deed allows it perimeter too, deed disallows so does perimeter): - Woodcutting. - Digging - Mining - Terraforming Double restriction, my bad =P - And the existing building restrictions. Those 4 settings on perimeter would, from what I've seen in my Wurm time, kill the vast majority of griefing-via-perimeter and all its related problems while giving perimeter more meaning than paying for a free for all zone (it's included in the deed founding, it's not free... free and included are two different things. A toy with "batteries not included" on the box could include them during December, that's a GIFT). Sidenote: Saw another thread about separate settings for resource digging (tar/peat/clay/moss) which would also rock combined with this, as many perimeters hold those resources currently, and on the other hand deeding over tar without messing up all the locals would be nice for placement purposes.
  6. We need new anti-griefing rules. Badly. I figured this needed it's own thread, where it can be calmly discussed and a real solution found. The only thing constant is change. Or it would be if we actually embraced the idea that rules were meant to be adjusted according to actual need, and not be a rigid, static, useless collection of largely unenforced text. It does not much good to have things on the books, if they are never actually used to much real effect. The current rules are as follows: At a minimal, I kindly suggest appending the rules in the following manner: The key here being that it would give the GM team ground and leeway that would cover Unintentional fraudulent activity (new player, or what not) would just get a warning, whilst repeat habitual offenders...Intentional fraudulent activity, would get the full weight of the rule in their faces.Please feel free to discuss and comment below, but please do so in a civil manner. Edit and Addendum: Friendly Reminder. This isn't a pissing contest. Please discuss the issue, not each other. If you don't like the idea, feel free to attack the idea. But it's the IDEA that should be weighed and measured. In other words, message, not messenger, please.
  7. There have been a lot of posts and discussion about some very antisocial gameplay on Freedom servers and a lot of people that are getting away with shady behavior because it's a loophole in the rules or the CoC. They're clearly not worried about the "just because you can doesn't mean you should" stipulation. Part of the problem is that these people know how to circumvent tracking and are able to do these things anonymously. So. Here's my suggestion. Implement a skill or it Residual Aura (if a spell) or Forensics (if a skill)...or some such. Allow this skill or spell to be used on any item or structure in the game and list the last X number of individuals that interacted with that object or structure (say start at 2 including the user and scale up to 10 or so). Could list more with skill scaling or channeling. In the case of things like catapults that interact with structures from a distance, and can destroy their target utterly, maybe tag the tile that the destroyed object stood on. That way, if someone logs in and finds a missing fence tile, they can inspect the wrecked area and determine that a catapult fired by whomever destroyed the fence, etc. This would in no way unbalance gameplay, or remove the necessity for protecting your things, just provide information. If the individuals are not "breaking the rules" then it still allows the community as a whole to pass on warnings about them, much like would happen in real life. If they ARE breaking rules, or griefing, then it removes the anonymity and allows aggrieved parties to put a name to the person who set out to ruin their experience. Just a thought.
  8. This is what some selfish and immature players have done to Cherrywood Isle in Celebration. This used to be all trees...and this picture doesn't even show half of what they've done. If this isn't "destroying land for no good purpose", I don't know what is. There were seven regular residents on the island when this group moved in. Before they arrived, we were living relatively conflict-free. Now we are scared to log in to the game because of what we might see. We have asked them to stop. We have asked them to stay in their area and not expand further. They have not listened. In fact, most often they simply mock us. We have contacted GMs, who say if it's not on-deed, it's fair game. This is perfect situation where GMs could enforce the Code of Conduct. They are not breaking rules, but they are causing pain and distress to the other inhabitants nearby. The new arrivals to Cherrywood Isle are a disgrace to this game, and make the GMs look like spineless fools, and make the game so unappealing that several of us want to quit. This is just one example of the bad behaviour, griefing, and immaturity that they have demonstrated. There is much, more more. I am equal parts angry and sad at what has happened on Cherrywood Isle. Yes, I have cried over a bunch of pixels. I have raged over virtual trees. This felt like my home in Wurm, and now it's been desecrated. What can be done?