Zekezor

crappy solution -1 and it even contradicts itself... -.-'

It's pretty damn obvious that Rolf has absolutely no interest in champs other than having them beat on each other like cavemen, so why should that gain craft skills at a normal rate? Champions is a master of war who is personally blessed and protected by his diety... There is no reason to restrict the person just becouse he loves warfare.

It's pretty damn obvious that Rolf has absolutely no interest in champs other than having them beat on each other like cavemen, so why should that gain craft skills at a normal rate?

Only because the majority of PvP player base went champion. I do agree priests have some stupid restrictions, primarily the gods of war not being able to actually war as they can't operate a catapult or lockpicks, but I don't agree priesting should be a attractive path for everyone in the game.

Quit thinking about yourself and look for whats better in the damn game Bob. There are more than one ways to have fun in this game. I lasted for a few months as a priest before I champed and I swear it was more fun than I ever had before because I found other things I could do to keep me busy. I ran around having fun in PvP as well because that's what priests are pretty much made for. If you don't like to fight, then either A) Find something to have fun, or De-priest because obviously it's not for you. I know of MANY main Fo-priests, and believe me they do a lot and are very happy with their priesthood. Quit thinking about yourself and look what's better for the game. http://wurmonline.com/forum/index.php?topic=48761.0

And there is nothing wrong with allowing people to have fun in a game. Priests as they stand now are almost all alts. That by itself should tell Rolf that they are broken.

TLDR edition of Shalbiriri's post & comments: [The system is too complex for me and it's abusable] not complex at all... abusable parts can be altered by pointing them out [i didnt understand what you wrote and therefor dont know how priests become champs] read post #1 again [kills and deeds don't happend all too often] if thats the case, then the reward for the objectives stated can be altered or new ways of obtaining champion points can be made [complex stuff is confusing and therefor automatically doesnt work for wurm] [one killpoint per day from 70 fs alt accs can easily be grinded] Solutions to this has been presented, but perhaps you got a better way of doing it? [dont change stuff and let people play as they want] [removing hippie-champs means normal priests will just take over enchanting] wow big supprise there... this was TOTALLY not inteded [the only current problem about champs is due to the 60% dmg reduction] no, limited lifes lead to cowardice in pvp and the rolfs intent of champions is not how they are atm... and i absolutely love his way compared to pathetic caster champs that excist atm [i want the channeling i had before i became a champ if i get dechamped] [people will use priests instead of champs becouse they need spells on their gear] .... noone could expect that one comming, stop everything! -.-' anyhow.... off to bed.

Clarifications & alterations of the previous post(unaltered info isnt included):

Id change some things in the system... to the following: You become champion in the same way as now and gain the same bonuses. Every champion starts with 15 champion points. When these are used they lose champion status. You lose 1 point every day. You can have max 30 points. You gain 5 points for being involved in a kill on an enemy champion. You lose 10 points when you die for whatever reason. If there is atleast 5 guards and you get 1 silver from a drain you get one point and after that you get another point per 2 silver you get. (now some think this sound like a lot... but if you take into consideration that you only drain 15% of the upkeep and only keep 50% of that... iow 7.5% of the total upkeep... then its not so much points) ex: 1 point = 13.3s upkeep deed 2 points = 40s upkeep deed 3 points = 66.5s upkeep deed 4 points = 93,1 upkeep deed 5 points = 119,7 upkeep deed (so a tiny deed give one point, but if they are huge they will give significantly more... in which case they by all means deserve more points) You gain 1 point when you are involved in a kill on an enemy with 70+ fs. You may gain points like this once a day per player. You gain 2 points for destroying an enemy watch tower. When you lose champion status you lose 1 extra point in every stat on top of the 5 you gained when you became champion. Your channeling is reset to what it was before. Faith is set to 50. You can't go champion in 6 months. All kingdoms will have a default number of 3 champions, but in the same way CR are given to less populated kingdoms, champ numbers will increase aswell to balance out factions. HOTS will again have their portal shut to reflect that you need to seek out Libila in order to be able to gain their powers. <<<!!!2 OPTIONS TO CHOSE FROM!!!>> <<OPTION 1>> MR only has magron priests and champs JK only has Vynora and Fo. The 3 gods will be rebalanced due to these changes. <<OPTION 2>> Both JK and MR can have priests and champs from all WL religions While we're at it the kingdom change restrictions will change so that you'll be able to change kingdom once every two weeks instead and that's it.

Sorry that's a cop-out and a I need my cake arguement. You do not need a priest at all that is a choice. Effectively what you are saying is If I can't be a magic user, tank, fighter, etc all in one then I can't play. With champs limited priests become even more important and not just vynora. This is what you are talking about right being able to enchant your own stuff instead of working with another player priest? Why do you think its gotten this way in the first place? This has nothing todo with priests being playable it has everything todo with being able to buff yourself! I guess you have a choice don't you? People play Wurm to craft and terraform, mostly. And yet Priests can barely do either. Yay, I can play a Crafting and terraforming game, and not do either one - how cool! That's about the most absurd combination I've ever heard of in a game. Playing a character that can't terraform or craft in Wurm is like creating a Everquest character that was only capable of doing Kareoke in the guild lobby. "Hey guys, I can't tank, heal, or DPS, but I'll sing some Aerosmith on vent for you while you fight!" Then don't play a priest.... it's a choice. Actually it was a choice. Now it's my character. I made Farmerbob a champ because priests are horrible crap. I took the risk of limiting myself to 4 lives in order that I would be allowed to actually play Wurm, rather than Prayer Online. Every single character in Wurm should be able to do the things that makes Wurm a memorable game. Priests can't. then de priest..... What about every single character wasn't I clear about? Oh, thats right, so few people play priests as mains that people forget they can actually be characters, rather than just alts. Meh, i suppose all priests can be granted digging, woodcutting and mining. No harm done in that really, all they would do is to support the crafters of their village. edit: actually woodcutting and vynora makes no sense... but give them digging and mining some basic terraforming options wont hurt anyone.

Sorry that's a cop-out and a I need my cake arguement. You do not need a priest at all that is a choice. Effectively what you are saying is If I can't be a magic user, tank, fighter, etc all in one then I can't play. With champs limited priests become even more important and not just vynora. This is what you are talking about right being able to enchant your own stuff instead of working with another player priest? Why do you think its gotten this way in the first place? This has nothing todo with priests being playable it has everything todo with being able to buff yourself! I guess you have a choice don't you? People play Wurm to craft and terraform, mostly. And yet Priests can barely do either. Yay, I can play a Crafting and terraforming game, and not do either one - how cool! That's about the most absurd combination I've ever heard of in a game. Playing a character that can't terraform or craft in Wurm is like creating a Everquest character that was only capable of doing Kareoke in the guild lobby. "Hey guys, I can't tank, heal, or DPS, but I'll sing some Aerosmith on vent for you while you fight!" Then don't play a priest.... it's a choice. Actually it was a choice. Now it's my character. I made Farmerbob a champ because priests are horrible crap. I took the risk of limiting myself to 4 lives in order that I would be allowed to actually play Wurm, rather than Prayer Online. Every single character in Wurm should be able to do the things that makes Wurm a memorable game. Priests can't. Dont like it? Don't be a priest. Taddaaaa! solved ur problem.

*looks at finnishpkt with a confused face* You think such a situation is ridicilus to the point of laughing? I would behead any hippie champ instantly if the champ cap was reached and the top fighters of my kingdom couldnt champ up. But i guess this is why i prefer libila and not vynora xD

Economical? who gives a crap. (if you mean if rolf might benefit from it, then probably, but that got nothing to do with it) Necessary? Most definetly.

i understand that. well, how much does a 70FS loose in fightskill per kill, if he is killed by another (assumingly higher FS account)? I dont know the exact ammount unfortunetly. Kill a champ croc from his "farm" everyday...? and not to mention that a cap of obtaining champ points can easily be implemented... Like lets say max 1 gain every 5 days if its from the same target.

nice, nice. Rolf wrote: once a day 1 point from a 70+ fighter. that would negate the increasing i assumed, wrongly. but, you could buy one account with 70fighting and nothing more. - your affinities acount anyway... then kill it once a day. then kill a troll to come back over 70 in FS. rather easy. only 5€ per month. no need to protect 3 deed from being raided by other players....

morrowind as a mmo and with terraforming/building.... *drool*

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all other stuff is good, but this - guys are you blind? Rolf said this in regards to only the champions to be on JK and MR side......only priest on both sides still stay the same they are now!!! where is there a problem, that MR cannot field 1 FO Champion? are they going to die cos of it???? i dont check it. were do you see the problem?