Gwyn

Yes, my issue and suggestion isn't about such items.

Didn't work for me yesterday in the circumstances I described. Might have to test it again. See Suggestion No. 2. I'm specifically suggesting that there should be no need to match price as long as traders are on the good side of the deal. For example, trader has Doodad™ valued by trader at 1s; player has Thingamajig™ valued at 1s50c. Trader should accept Thingamajig for Doodad even if it doesn't have the 50c change to give, as long as the player accepts the trade.

So I went into my local starter town for the Midsummer event and figured I'd pop in to see the trader out of curiosity. Found a few useful things and decided to, y'know, trade for them, 'cause (a) they're called 'traders' and (b) I'm not paying silver at those silly prices. Bizarrely though, it was impossible to make any trade. Despite the trader accepting the goods I offered (moving them to the lower panel and assigning them a monetary value), he/she would not accept the trade – even when they stood to gain by the trade, i.e. when what I was offering was worth more than what I was asking for. To make things even more strange, even when I readjusted the trade so that I would have to top it up with some coin – and offered the EXACT amount of coin needed to balance the trade – the trader continued to complain that it 'was low on coins'. Basically, it was telling me: I cannot take your coins, because I'm low on coins! I'd already got used to traders being pretty much useless for my needs, but imagine a new player coming up against this absurd situation on their first day (it is new players after all who are most likely to deal with starter town traders). Suggestions: 1. Being low on coin should not be a reason for traders to refuse trades where they gain coin. 2. Allow traders to accept trades in their own favour without needing to give change. If a player offers an item of greater value for an item of lesser value, the trader should agree to it. There could be a warning prompt that no change will be given, so that players don't lose silvers' worth of stuff by accident (although given the wacky trader prices, this danger already exists without any prompt).

Btw, timer is broken

25s

I would definitely be bidding if this was set up as an auction with clear parameters (such as an exact closing time).

+1 though I suspect this may not be implemented due to the problem of mobs pooling in valleys. With no way to get out, a large chunk of the server NPC allocation could be concentrated in a few steep-sloped valleys

91ql Oil of the blacksmith - 2s cod to Gwyn please and thank you

Blank preferred but open to any offer. Please PM me with details (and price if you have one in mind).

+1 hear, hear

At the risk of taking this thread even further off track... Knarrs wouldn't be obsolete, as they'd still have two major advantages. One, shallow draught: they can go anywhere a sailboat can, which is a major plus in a lot of areas that haven't been deeply dredged. Two, alts or no, it's still better to be able to sail single-handed as it frees up your alts to do other things. To prevent non-prem alts being used as a permanent crew, there could be a mind logic check for crew as well. This would mean a reasonable tradeoff between independence and cargo capacity, and it would also encourage players to sail together on a single boat, which personally I'd like to see more of.

+1. One possible way to re-balance ships: massively increase cargo capacity for the non-knarr ships but require them to have more than a one-person crew or suffer massive penalties to maneuvering and perhaps speed.

cod to Gwyn please

21s

Deal reached – all mats now sold

Gems sold to MacOofer

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Now priced to clear

Big +1

I have several thousand ql worth of gems and would like to acquire a lot of dirt and/or sand (10k, possibly much, much more). Smaller amounts are also welcome. PM me and let's work out a trade.

Having done my fair share of bulk trading, I see two specific problems with holding to a fixed rate of 10i/action: 1. Not all actions are equal in length. Levelling to collect dirt (regardless of shovel ql or enchantment) always takes 6sec/1dirt, and stamina drain has no effect on timer length. With a high-ql high-woa shovel and decent digging skill and body characteristics, you can get the timer down to 3-ish sec per digging action (the same holds true for mining). It's not hard then to see why there's oversupply of dirt, shards, and metal lumps on the market. Other actions have longer timers, are affected by stamina drain, and cannot be sped up by increasing tool quality or by woa enchantments because they use 'hand' or no tool at all (combining arrow shafts and arrow heads for example). 1. Not all actions are equal in difficulty. Some actions require much higher skill to reach a decent success rate (making mortar, arrowheads, and arrows are some that I have experience with). In real-life free-market economies these translate into the following observations: 1. Menial workers aren't paid for the number of actions they perform, but for their time. Whether they're working in a factory that makes boxes or one that makes cars, where the time required to make each unit is vastly different, they'll be paid a comparable hourly wage. 2. Skilled workers (insofar as their skills are in demand) are paid more than unskilled ones. Skilled workers can either do things unskilled workers can't, and/or they are more productive and are less likely to waste materials. The relatively low price for dirt and high price for mortar, in terms of the 10i/action rate, are natural consequences of these principles in a free market. As others have alluded, the Wurm economy can never be like a real one for several reasons. One major reason is the fact that toons live forever and skills are never forgotten. This, coupled with the fact that new players are always the minority, means that the traditional pyramid distribution is turned upside down in Wurm: there's a huge number of high-skilled toons relative to low-skilled ones; and a huge number of producers relative to consumers. It's hard to see a way around this. Most changes to correct the oversupply that is driving down prices would make the game less fun or drive away established players: Make crop/hunting/fishing yields much lower. In real pre-industrial societies, over 90% of the population are farmers. In Wurm, 1s worth of food can feed a toon virtually forever and 1s can be found in your first day of foraging. Make it impossible to store food and many other goods indefinitely in FSBs and BSBs. Almost everything in real life rots after time and needs replacement. Not so in Wurm, where vegetables grown 50 years ago are still perfectly fresh if stored in an FSB. Realistic rates of decay (faster for veg, slower for grains and some processed foods like flour) would stimulate demand. Same if planks were to moulder and nails were to rust. Make skills subject to decay if they're not used (perhaps with a 3x regain rate, like after death). In real life, we forget much of what we don't use. People really can't know it all and do it all, at least not at any given moment. Market forces slowly draw people into high-demand trades and out of low-demand ones. But switching trades comes at a cost of forgetting some of what you've learned, so the decision isn't taken lightly. Make toons grow older and die (permanently) of old age. Some characteristics slowly drop after a certain age, such as body strength, and at some point the toon is simply no more. This creates a reason for new low-skilled toons to be 'born' even with a stable player base and helps maintain the natural pyramid shape of a healthy economy. I can't see any of these changes being popular and I'm not sure if I'd enjoy Wurm myself if they were implemented. But without them, it seems inevitable that prices for goods will continue to drop. Prices aren't even corrected when fed-up players quit – high-skilled toons, non-decaying bulk items, and high-ql tools etc. are simply passed on to other players and the general oversupply of everything – from skills, to bulks, rares, and enchantments – continues.

all lumps to Gwyn please

bump

I'd love to see plaster implemented, perhaps with a new vein type – limestone. Blue-sky thinking here, but maybe the limestone veins could be found within naturally occurring underground caverns (highly concentrated in specific regions). Limestone shards would be ground up to make lime (like rock salt is made into salt), lime is heated in a kiln to make quicklime, then mixed with water to make plaster (natural substances). Possible applications for plaster: Wall plastering – creates a smooth, perfect or near-perfect white finish on stone walls (any maybe ceilings?) using plaster, trowel and masonry skill. These white plastered walls would also serve as an ideal substrate for paint, as the colour of the paint won't be greyed out by pre-existing wall colour. Plastered walls could also pave the way for wallpapering, creating another use for papyrus-making skill and paper. Metal-casting moulds – for making cast metal statues and perhaps other items (out of bronze, gold, etc.). Make a single-use mould from plaster, then pour liquid bronze, gold, or other metal into the mould, perhaps from a new furnace type – the cupola furnace. Mould-making would check stone-cutting skill, and casting would check metallurgy, with both results affecting the quality of the final statue. (Sidenote: please, please, please make statue appearance a reflection of quality. High-ql statues should look better!) Other possible applications for lime/quicklime: Ingredient used in glazing pottery items to create more durable and colourful pottery items (requiring a kiln) Alternative way of making mortar (lime + sand, instead of clay + sand) Alternative way to make white paint (whitewash, anyone?) Probably a few too many ideas for a single thread, but I can see a lot of potential in this and would love to hear what everyone else thinks. There must be loads of other applications for these materials that I haven't even thought of.

I suppose this is really two suggestions: 1. Allow a single specific animal to be unhitched from a wagon/cart. 2. Allow the animal to be unhitched + led in a single action. This would save unnecessary unhitching/re-hitching when all you want is to take a single horse for a solo ride before returning to your wagon. And more importantly, it would prevent anyone from going through what happened to me yesterday. I was flatraising from my wagon. When I was ready to call it a day, I was of course too high up to just ride back down the slope. So I figured I'd just unhitch my bison, lead them, and push my wagon down the slope before climbing down myself. Little did I know that my bison had grown so restless after years of being shackled to my wagon that they would bolt away in various directions (all of them straight up a mountainside) the instant they were unhitched. I didn't even manage to lasso one of them. (Hmm, lassoing might deserve a suggestion thread of its own.)