Neville

+1 This is a great idea because most of the issue around RMT, at least for me stems from the cost of converting EUR->My country's currency. If the Wurm Store offered silver at this ratio (the same as what players are offering), I would dump all of my money into silver from the store. Furthermore, to make things even better, if users were to buy larger packages of silver (x amount of gold), the pricing could be further adjusted to 1s to 0.9 Euro. Some players do this already. It sounds to me like account sales and items for sale for EUR are the main issue for most people who want it banned. By offering silver according to Madnath's suggestion, there is no need to buy items for EUR anymore because the store would be cheap enough to buy silver from to pay for those items in-game. As for account sales, perhaps it's a "compromise" for those others who buy accounts that they could live with.

I'm not trying to attack you. I just have my own opinion that happens to disagree with yours. Let's leave it at that.

Then move to "Steam". There would be no RMT there and if that's your belief, that's your place to play. Leave my sandbox alone.

I believe the following would be the best solution: Go ahead with the "Steam" implementation with RMT restrictions in effect. No more sales of accounts, silver or items. Continue with the existing "Freedom" servers without RMT restrictions. Sales of accounts, silver or items are allowed. The existing "Freedom" servers are not connected to, financed, integrated/run with "Steam" and are not within Steam's jurisdiction. I would strongly disagree with "Steam" dictating that you remove all RMT from both sides. In this way, people who believe in RMT can transition to "Steam" and people who believe in "Freedom" can move to, well, "Freedom" servers.

send me 4x salve of frost please

CLOSED

COD to Neville. rare cheese drill

If I reach my goal early with PAS I will shift to low-level (0-50QL) Shieldsmithing/Jewelry Smithing imps. I may also do some Vyn and Fo casts on my priests as time permits.

Disseminating the positives (mostly) from the threads: WO, Steam WO and WU are all separate revenue streams with different target audiences. WO will remain on its current servers with all future features and updates intact. Steam WO will attract new players and may have some restrictions (e.g., one character per account, etc.) that we don't have on vanilla WO servers. Those on Steam WO who cannot live with those restrictions may be enticed to come to vanilla WO servers where there is more Freedom (e.g., multiple alts, multiboxing, etc.). Steam WO provides an opportunity for implementing and testing new PVP features/servers separately BEFORE they are brought to vanilla WO servers. A testbed if you will. WU sales are down and the challenge is to figure out how to manage it or abandon it going forward. Determine the financial benefit of continuing to support WU and make a decision. Currently, all three (WO, Steam WO and WU) are separate revenue streams and they bring in more money collectively thereby increasing development potential overall going forward. It's easy to get caught going down the rabbit hole on what-if scenarios, PVP and alleged broken promises, lack of support/updates for WU, etc. but dry your eyes and focus on the positives. Overall, I plan to continue playing well into the forseeable future on the vanilla WO servers. If you're de-stressing, enjoying yourself, making bank, etc. then what more can you ask for? It's a game. Just have fun!

COD both artisan rings to Neville. The rings don't have the skills I'm looking for but thanks.

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Offer 2.5s on Rare Statuette of Vynora – Gold. COD to Neville if accept.

+1 in the process of panfilling my main to 95HFC and my alts to 90HFC. The setup is perfect, the instructions are easy to follow and it's worth it!

I just came back on this thread to post my decision. I'm going to stay on the existing Wurm servers no matter what happens. I'm already invested into three characters and well established on Xanadu. I'm not going to worry about people selling accounts, the current state of trade chat and the markets, etc. I'm just going to stay focused on having fun in the best way I know possible and that is to continue doing what I'm doing despite all the bickering, politics, etc. I've realized that all this is doing is causing me stress and that's not why I come here to play the game. Therefore, I'm dispensing with all of it, I just don't care anymore. All I care about is that the game servers keep running and I can continue playing. Period. I could care less about the Steam version, state of PVP, etc. I just want to have fun so that's what I'm going to do. Perhaps others will come to the same realization. I went down the rabbit hole for a while in this thread but now I digress. I'm done with this discussion. Now that I understand that the company simply wishes to have multiple revenue streams with different target audiences, it doesn't bother me. In fact, it basically means one thing. I'm going to stick with my existing characters on the existing servers and ignore Steam and WU altogether because they don't apply to me. In fact, I think the restriction Steam may have on "multiboxing" will attract certain people to WO. People who want more freedom and less restrictions. Perhaps it will be a better way to bring players into WO but time will tell. WU didn't live up to that expectation but at least it provided a "cash injection" so to speak I guess. The dev team will have to figure out how to manage WO, Steam and WU so that it doesn't become too overbearing on existing staff resources (i.e., developers, etc.). I like the fact that the current Wurm servers are continuing along with all updates and features. It shows we're not *losing anything*.

5x bridles, saddles and saddle bags coming your way. [11:24:21] The items silently disappear from the spirit cottage. You expect them to arrive in less than ten minutes. Thank you! I was worried this auction was a bust.

Looks like you may win. Nobody is bidding.

COD to Neville. all potions of tailoring

COD the iron horse shoes with W90, W97, W93, W98 and W90 to Neville.

Here's another issue a friend brought up. If we move to the Steam client, can we still "multibox", i.e., use more than one character at the same time (e.g., Main and Vyn Priest)? If the answer is no, then why would anyone ever want to move to Steam? After all, part of the fun is the fact that I can run my main character and my priest at the same time and "multitask". If that's taken away and we're forced to only use one character at a time in WO on Steam, forget it... I'm not concerned about moving to Steam at all. My understanding is that this is simply going to be another revenue stream. I will continue to play on the existing servers as-is. This way I can continue to "multibox" at my delight and enjoy what I've invested time and money into for the long-term. My understanding though is that it would NOT be possible to "multibox" on Steam. You'd only be able to login to one character at a time. If people don't like this restriction, they'll come to play the real game, WO on existing servers. That's the way I'm going to look at it. As for WU who knows but considering it's a different game (another revenue stream) and I'm not interested in it, it doesn't apply to me.

That's easy to say but if the population dies on freedom it's still wasted money and time. Luckily, I don't maintain my own deed anymore. I moved in with a friend on Xanadu. We pooled our resources. However, we sunk silvers into upkeep to cover a year and that's before we found out about all the details surrounding this new direction. I really think they should allow character transfers from the existing freedom -> Steam. At least then, our characters, items and skills would be intact. Perhaps not deeds or materials being stored but those can be regained. I'd be OK with losing a deed if I could keep my characters, skills and the items they carry intact. Otherwise, restarting from scratch after all this time, effort and money is really not appealing at all. It took years to get to where I am now. Years, not months or weeks. I sympathize with the new guy in the video but let's look at how huge Xanadu is for instance. It has tons of new untouched places to deed or settle. It has tons of wilderness. Land is not over developed on Xanadu but that's also because it's so huge. Perhaps the other servers are as bad as you say they are. I don't see the same issue on Xanadu though. Especially recently, after all the deeds disbanding due to people either quitting or being on Jackal and not maintaining their existing deeds. Every day, I'm seeing a stream of constant disbands. My thoughts on this entire matter have changed. I understand that the dev team is simply implementing new revenue streams. From my perspective, I no longer care what's going to happen with Steam or WU. As long as the current servers are up and running and I can play my existing characters that invested time and money into, I'm good to go. I'm continuing to play as if nothing happened and will continue to do so going forward.

Let's just say for a moment that it's untouched land and that old players come back to WO. They will leave newbs in the dust skill grinding past them in no time. This also means they will have a head start on taking control of various market conditions in the game. I haven't seen this video but if this person found certain things frustrating, and those same things appear in the Steam version, then other new gamers will find the exact same frustrations. Finally, it's easy to say not to worry about older players but it's not starting fresh that hurts as much as the amount of dollars invested in accounts and items that hurts. Are we going to be "compensated" in any way, shape or form? For example, what if someone paid for years worth of upkeep into a deed only to find out that soon the game will move to Steam and that they just spent money on the game for nothing. Do they get that money back? If we have to start over from scratch, how are we going to be compensated for sinking silvers into existing deeds, items, etc. in the game now if it's all just going to go to waste already at this point? If everyone knows sinking silvers into the game right now is already a waste, then why is the Wurm shop still active?

-- EDITED -- Along with new character names, will there be another free religion conversion for priest toons?

-- EDITED FOR CLARITY -- What's the status on Amazon? Are there still plans to move the network/server infrastructure to be hosted on Amazon servers along with the Steam integration? I'm just thinking the one big complaint people always have is lag. If you're anticipating a huge number of new players to the game, the existing infrastructure may not handle it so well at launch. Just wondering what the team's thoughts are around that? Personally for me though, coming from Canada, if I have lag I just connect to a VPN in Germany, then I connect to WO and my lag issues are non-existent. Most of the time it's network lag it seems at least in my case. It doesn't happen too often though. I'm biased because I'm a PVE focused player and I don't see PVP as a priority for me personally. However, others do and those people are selling their accounts and quitting the game now before even seeing the Steam release. I think getting the PVE launch right first and then focusing on the PVP aspect makes sense. Take lessons learned from PVE launch and apply to PVP launch. As for the idea of server merges, I don't think anyone likes the thought of losing their existing characters, deeds, items, skills, etc. so I'm *hoping* regardless of what happens, we don't lose what we've already invested tons of money and time into. A lot of us sunk a lot of EU/silvers into these things. From a player's perspective it's seen as a long-term investment into the game for continued fun and future gameplay so the last thing we want is to see all of that money and time spent go to waste. I noticed since the release of Jackal, it really killed Trade etc. on Xanadu. I'm still playing here on Xanadu but it's more dead now than it's ever been. I'm not into the whole Jackal thing and it bothers me that this seems to have taken away a sizeable portion of the Xanadu population away from playing on the server. Overall, it has had a negative impact it seems. What are the dev team's thoughts on this? Perhaps enabling Jackal for 6 months was too long? Finally, maybe this change in direction won't be such an issue in the future *IF* the game manages to attract more players after being migrated over to Amazon and/or Steam. We all hope it *rebounds* and the markets improve. It adds to the fun of the game. As the current server population is on the decline, existing players are losing interest and very worried about what the future holds. I'm one of those people who is going to try and stick with this through thick and thin but not if I'm going to lose my existing characters, skills and all of their belongings. I'm trying to stay positive and base my decisions on "What IS" instead of "What IFS". The community has become sort of toxic lately (due to "What IF" scenarios) and it's sad to see. Perhaps the dev team is striving for a better foundation moving forward but so far it seems to be at the expense of losing the entire existing customer base. I just hope the staff thinks things through! Cheers. -- EDIT FROM YESTERDAY -- I just spoke to someone and they cleared up the reason as to why everyone is selling their accounts. They believe they will all have to *start over* from scratch as there will be two parallel versions of the game (the current one and the steam one). They believe there will be a high possibility of the current one dying. In other words, the reward we get for years of loyalty is to *start over* from scratch regardless if you've been here for 12 years or 3 years, etc. This is my current understanding as to why people are so upset. So it seems to me a merge of the existing data (the current one) must make it into the new one on Steam or this game is going to die a very quick death. ***The person I spoke to said you guys need to should do a Q&A on this matter live on stream before it's too late.*** Might not be a bad idea... I started playing 4-5 years ago so naturally this has me pretty concerned I must say.

5x 89->93QL Saddles with WOA 91->98 + includes bridles and saddle bags. (all dyed with 91QL R=201, G=16, B=6) Looks attractive with custom dyed bardings! Everything can be mailed COD. Please keep auction comments for bids only - Feel free to pm me with any questions! Have fun! Buyouts / Start Bids (*see below*) No sniper protection Increment: Whatever! No Reserve. Item #1: 1x 93QL saddle, leather (WoA98) - Start Bid: 1.97s // Buyout: 3.97s Item #2: 1x 93QL saddle, leather (WoA94) - Start Bid: 1.47s // Buyout: 3.47s Item #3: 1x 90QL saddle, leather (WoA93) - Start Bid: 1.22s // Buyout: 2.72s Item #4: 1x 90QL saddle, leather (WoA92) - Start Bid: 1.18s // Buyout: 2.68s Item #5: 1x 89QL saddle, leather (WoA91) - Start Bid: 1.1s // Buyout: 2.60s