Odi

Fo: Lylee Location: X7, Y31 in between Anitori and OTG Outfitters It would be best to message me (Odi) on the forums though since I am online a lot, but not sitting in game.

Actually, Coinlab was legit and giving about 90% of the proceeds of mining (with 10% for them for hosting and conversion, compared to 1-5% for other pools' hosting). I learned about Wurm from the bitcointalk forum in April 2013, and I made over 2.4g with my mining hardware before they became obsolete because of specially designed hardware. However, being smart about my power usage, I had stopped my video card mining in May, only using FPGA's to mine (40W for the equivalent mining power of a 6990) In fact, I was contemplating buying some USB miners that sip power with bitcoins (2.5W for the equivalent mining power of 2 7990s) in order to keep generating silver with coinlab. I held off because I figured coinlab was supposed to be focusing on finding better paying GPU work, as opposed to becoming just a convenient bitcoin -> silver converter. And now I'm glad I held off, after finding out about these failed payments. I guess that $500k venture capital into coinlab has just fizzled. For anyone who cares Payout Rate: 0.08387182 Iron per share as per http://pool.coinlab.com/partners/wurm/stats Bitcoin Difficulty: 510,929,738 (average number of shares to produce a block) Bitcoins per block: 25 Euro per bitcoin: 300 as of this post Euro per silver: 1.6 Copper per silver: 100 Iron per copper: 100 1 / 510929738 * 25 * 300 / 1.6 * 100 * 100 = 0.091744513 .08387182 / .091744513 = 91.4%

Then a simple clarification of when it will happen from Code Club AB is all that's needed. None of this vague "The poll will be time limited" stuff. I'd be surprised to see it before 2014 too, but I can see people acting in the various scenarios I presented.

I've never been to one since I only started Wurm in April, but from what I've read, an impalong is a big year end party where newbies and veterans gather for a week or two. Veterans provide newbies imping services for free, priests gather for sermons, host organizes games and contests for all. I'm not sure what "other similar things" meant, only events I've seen are for 70FS players taking out some uniques. The impalong should be a server crippling event because of the sheer number of attendees. The key problem is your statement right there. If the link happens before both, I believe there is a sizable chance that one of the two will be a flop. Helpful in chat is easy since you are just staring at timers anyway. Helpful for almost a month away from your usual tasks (assuming 2 weeks each) is going to be much harder to find. Actually, there was a thread about the linking that Rolf started early this year, but no comments from Code Club AB after all the comments http://forum.wurmonline.com/index.php?/topic/73972-a-comment-on-joining-the-pristinerelease-servers-with-the-other-servers/ As I said in my post, it was only a glimmer in Rolf's eyes when the poll for impalong location was up. It's just horrible timing for this poll only 2 weeks from the first impalong, with all the uncertainty in the air. As you said, many will think it is a hassle to attend both, maybe opting to wait until the servers are linked to attend the old cluster one. I would consider "still have people attend" a flop. Having only 30 characters online at peak times in the same place would definitely not be as interesting as 100 characters online. If you look at the impalong poll, people were worried about the 400 player cap on the Deliverance server. I don't think I'm overreacting, because I'm basing my reaction on my personal observations of Blossom Market deed's changes in the past few months. There has been a lot of work put into this, I'd estimate one player playing 4 hours a day with 3 characters would take 2 months to do it. And that's only for terraforming and buildings, not counting planning for games, gathering prizes, stockpiling high QL materials, etc. If I put myself in Aum's shoes, I would be really pissed off at Code Club AB right now for not letting me know about this poll possibility 2 months ago (I'm guessing Aum would not react this way from my interactions with him, but I would if I was him). The main reason he put all this effort was so the new cluster could have an impalong too, and now all that effort could be for nothing.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the one word reason that the clusters should not be merged now: Impalong Now granted I didn't read every single post in this thread, but I searched for "imp" and no one mentioned it. Full disclosure: I started Wurm on Pristine and I am not affiliated with the impalong organizer (other than meeting him to link Holy Crop a few weeks ago). I don't care if the servers are connected, but now is not the right time, so I voted no. Here is my reasoning: http://forum.wurmonline.com/index.php?/topic/87565-poll-1-impalong-location/ Note the lack of "Pristine" or "Release" on this poll. That's because two months ago, the poll for linking the servers was only a glimmer in Rolf's eyes (we knew that it was coming, but not the timing). Note that people talk about Deliverance organizer pouring his heart and soul into it. Also note the people talking about separate impalongs dividing the community instead of bringing it together. If the servers were connected "now" as the poll suggests, then you have the following: http://forum.wurmonline.com/index.php?/topic/87842-pristine-impalong-at-blossom-market-nov21-dec5/ http://forum.wurmonline.com/index.php?/topic/87129-pendelton-derby-impalong/ One impalong on Nov 21 - Dec 5 in Pristine, then another one on Dec 20 in Deliverance. If the connecting were to happen in mid December, then it could be great news of 2 impalongs to attend for me. But that's the rosy outcome, more likely, it would end up in ugly scenarios, because we don't know when the servers would be connected. New cluster crafters may no longer want to offer their services at the Pristine impalong, since you could just go to the later one with higher skilled old cluster crafters New cluster players may forgo going to the Pristine impalong because better skilled crafters will be available Then they end up missing the Deliverance impalong because the servers were connected too late Pristine organizer may decide to cancel or be coerced to cancel (I've seen the drastic changes made to his deed, and that's probably only the tip of the iceberg for the amount of effort he's put in) to avoid the next scenario Deliverance impalong may not have a good turn out because everyone attended the earlier one on Pristine (I imagine he has put a lot of effort as well) In short, the drama is not worth it. Even leaving the poll up may negatively impact one or both of the impalong organizers. And I think it is a spit in the face of these two individuals by Code Club AB to even put this poll up right now. Here you have two players who put in a lot of effort to improve others' gaming experience out of their own free will, and this poll throws in uncertainty into both. Even if the poll just sits here for the next two months, it may negatively impact the Pristine impalong. So I think this is not the right time, I would say create the poll again in 2014. Edit: change some wording to increase clarity

When this was first released over a year ago, it was quite profitable for AMD cards. nVidia was never really a contender. I found out about Wurm from bitcoin in April, and it was profitable back then. However, the release of hardware designed specifically for bitcoin mining over the past half year has made it 50x more difficult to mine since April, while the price has only increased 2x. I do not think GPU mining will ever be profitable again, so coinlab needs to find new work to do aside from bitcoin mining.

It looks like it increased my crop yields by 1 (I guess a tend happened even if the field didn't tending), since yields in the last month were 5-7, and currently I am getting 6-8.

I think most Freedom players in Wurm are hermits by this definition. Deeds with actual citizen to mayor relations seem to be found more in PvP servers. One problem of this idea is that alliance members have rights to pick up items from your deed. It is not controllable by any setting as far as I can find. So you have to be sure everything you care about is inside a house in such a casual alliance. Another problem is that some people already created local alliances for just this reason. I used to be in such an alliance of local deeds (each player has their own deed, alliance merely for the chat channel because we kept disappearing from each other's local) until one day they just stopped logging in. Then I decided to quit that alliance and just make it an alliance of my own deeds (main deed + mine deeds on alts) so I could respawn wherever I wanted. Possibly what you are looking for is using the integrated IRC client to create a password protected chat room (or chanserv/nickserv protected). This would let people join even without leaving their own existing alliance. Then you fully control who is in the chat room much like being the alilance leader.

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison With cgminer, you can specify options to change various things (in the README). You can find what others have tried on that website. With the Coinlab client, you need to use something like MSI Afterburner instead. GPU only options:--auto-fan Automatically adjust all GPU fan speeds to maintain a target temperature--auto-gpu Automatically adjust all GPU engine clock speeds to maintain a target temperature--disable-gpu|-G Disable GPU mining even if suitable devices exist--gpu-threads|-g <arg> Number of threads per GPU (1 - 10) (default: 2)--gpu-dyninterval <arg> Set the refresh interval in ms for GPUs using dynamic intensity (default: 7)--gpu-engine <arg> GPU engine (over)clock range in Mhz - one value, range and/or comma separated list (e.g. 850-900,900,750-850)--gpu-fan <arg> GPU fan percentage range - one value, range and/or comma separated list (e.g. 25-85,85,65)--gpu-map <arg> Map OpenCL to ADL device order manually, paired CSV (e.g. 1:0,2:1 maps OpenCL 1 to ADL 0, 2 to 1)--gpu-memclock <arg> Set the GPU memory (over)clock in Mhz - one value for all or separate by commas for per card.--gpu-memdiff <arg> Set a fixed difference in clock speed between the GPU and memory in auto-gpu mode--gpu-powertune <arg> Set the GPU powertune percentage - one value for all or separate by commas for per card.--gpu-reorder Attempt to reorder GPU devices according to PCI Bus ID--gpu-vddc <arg> Set the GPU voltage in Volts - one value for all or separate by commas for per card.--intensity|-I <arg> Intensity of GPU scanning (d or -10 -> 10, default: d to maintain desktop interactivity)--kernel|-k <arg> Override kernel to use (diablo, poclbm, phatk or diakgcn) - one value or comma separated--ndevs|-n Enumerate number of detected GPUs and exit--no-restart Do not attempt to restart GPUs that hang--temp-hysteresis <arg> Set how much the temperature can fluctuate outside limits when automanaging speeds (default: 3)--temp-overheat <arg> Overheat temperature when automatically managing fan and GPU speeds (default: 85)--temp-target <arg> Target temperature when automatically managing fan and GPU speeds (default: 75)--vectors|-v <arg> Override detected optimal vector (1, 2 or 4) - one value or comma separated list--worksize|-w <arg> Override detected optimal worksize - one value or comma separated listFor example, on my 5770s, I would underclock memory to 300MHz based on what others tried. That let me undervolt it as well to reduce heat. And I was able to overclock one to 900 and a second one to 950 and still have a stable machine. The memory underclock was due to a Catalyst driver bug that would reduce the hash rate if the memory clock was at stock. If you want to be even more advanced, you can install various versions of Catalyst, and search through threads like https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=180067.0 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=84989.0

The iron per hour is calculated by iron per share * shares found in an hour iron per share is posted at http://pool.coinlab.com/partners/wurm/stats and I'll go into that later. shares found in an hour is how many shares you find with your hashing. Similar to how tossing a coin is 50% probability of finding tails, 200MH/s on average finds 2.8 shares per minute, or 168 shares per hour. So it is better to sample more than an hour, otherwise variance kicks in. 10 flips of a coin may likely end up at 7 or 8 heads, but 100 flips of a coin will rarely be more than 60 heads. If you calculate the per hour rate and extrapolate, it's like saying that because 10 flips ended up at 8 heads, 100 flips would be 80 heads, or 1000 flips would be 800 heads because of a very small sample. I usually look at daily returns instead of hourly, and you usually have a week to compare with the same iron per share. For iron per share, this is calculated by coinlab. Most mining pools use just bitcoins per share, as opposed to converting to euro then to iron 1 / current difficulty = probability of a share (difficulty 1) being a solution to the current difficulty as well. This is because a 100,000,000 difficulty solution is also a 1 difficulty solution by design of bitcoin The current reward is 25 bitcoins per block (a solution) which is how you calculate the bitcoin per share (1 / 112,628,549 * 25 = 0.00000022196). It goes down to 12.5 sometime in 2016. Coinlab then calculates the cost of converting the bitcoin into euro and giving it to Rolf in exchange for silver.

remove the "stratum+" since coinlab does not support stratum. You are looking for the normal -o http://pool:port for the original getwork protocol. Stratum is a protocol to reduce bandwidth usage of the high hash rate of the new custom ASIC hardware that can get many GH/s. Your top end card does only about 0.7GH/s, and most GPUs only 1/2 or less that speed. Since the coinlab pool was designed with GPUs in mind, they have not kept up with the newest innovations in bitcoin mining. Instead they have focused on creating a client that can do any kind of work, as opposed to just bitcoin. Don't forget about the added cooling cost of keeping your room temperature down, and the reduced life of the GPU being run at high temps continuously. 90% is probably because you are using the computer somehow. The coinlab client is much more conservative to reduce the impact on desktop interactivity. cgminer has options to set how intense the processing should be: --intensity|-I <arg> Intensity of GPU scanning (d or -10 -> 10, default: d to maintain desktop interactivity)

It would cost more in electricity and cooling costs than worth it, until Coinlab has changed their client to do something other than bitcoin

Once in a while something in the automation fails and the Coinlab owner needs to come on to do manual payouts. Seems like it has been broken all weekend, but I recall that he said it's only the payout / graphs that are broken, the amount you earned is safely recorded in a database somewhere. http://forum.wurmonline.com/index.php?/topic/61990-coinlab-faq-how-to-earn-silver-coins-with-your-graphics-card/page-27#entry811278 Here was the last time with a similar issue

Following these instructions fixed it for me http://forum.wurmonline.com/index.php?/topic/62100-classjf-could-not-copy-graphicsjar-to-graphicsjarbak/#entry613991 I didn't need to reboot, just quit wurm launcher, kill javaw which didn't go away by itself, and relaunching the first time succeeded

It is not a scam. I agree you definitely aren't getting what your device is capable of, but it is not because someone is scamming the profits to themselves. It is because the community hasn't developed the program/firmware/whatever to take advantage of all your hardware can deliver. The last time the community actively developed for nVidia was in 2011, nVidia cards only had 1/10th the stream processors compared to the equivalent price tier of the AMD cards. The reason development has stagnated on GPUs is that even the AMD ones are barely making back the electricity you use to run them. The GTX680 shows https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison that it should also earn roughly 50i/h (roughly 110MH/s), so with current software, 40i/h for yours seems about right. Note that 40i/h is an estimate. Think of it like this, you roll a 100 sided die over and over as quickly as you can, each time it hits 1, you get 0.5 iron. Coinlab is calculating that you should get an average of 40i/h, but some hours may only be 10i when you are unlucky and other hours may get 90i when you are luckier. I suspect most of the cores on your card are not being utilized right now and need some software rewrite to be utilized (that someone from the community needs to write). Maybe that community member would be you, or some other person (with the knowhow) with a GTX660 or higher. That's because I found out about Wurm Online from the bitcointalk.org marketplace forum. Someone was selling their account for bitcoins, and when I saw the post, I looked into it and got hooked!