Eldurian

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  2. Posted · Edited by Eldurian

    WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR

    I care about channeling and faith. I'm looking to use this as an alt to throw enchants on stuff so that's my primary concern. That being said if it comes with some really great great skills in other areas I'm still willing to consider that value but I may not value it as highly as channeling. If it's not useful to a Vyn priest then I don't care about it all other than possible resale value though, and I intend to have this character a long time. My one requirement is 80+ Channeling (The higher the better though!) but if it doesn't have that then it doesn't have a huge deal of value to me unless you're selling very cheap.

    If it is not Vynoran but is transferable that's just as good as a Vyn priest to me and I'll pay the same price.

    If it is not Vynoran and not transferable then I'll still consider it if you will cut me a deal based on that fact. Non-Vyn/No-Transfer essentially means it's a 0 faith account as far as I'm concerned.
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    Float me an offer and a picture or link for the stats if you've got what I'm looking for. I will update this topic if a sale is made. 
     

  4. Posted · Edited by Eldurian

    I suppose I have a different perspective on CR? I'm at the level where I can solo a troll if I have good luck on landing and dodging hits but if the luck is against me or it has any positive condition I have to run away and heal up at least once.

    For me at least, when I received a +2 offensive CR from going Lib it made a rather notable difference in how fast I kill things.

    Scythes aren't per say a worthless weapon in that they are absolutely worthless for killing things as they are now, but they are worthless in that the halberd does the same general thing but is objectively better at it and leaves no valid reason to choose a scythe over it in really any combat scenario. If you go scythe you are nerfing yourself vs. what you could be doing with a halberd.

    The point of my suggestion is to provide a scenario in which the scythe is better without making it definitely better or even equal to the halberd in all or even most scenarios.

  5. Posted

    I would immediately switch to a scythe if they got a CR benefit. In my opinion that would be overpowered. If it was just a CR neutralization (No buff or penalty vs. other weapons) for Libila followers it's merits would be more arguable as the decreased range and parry rate are much more weighable against the crit bonus than a decreased range, parry rate, and CR penalty.

    In that case I would say it's probably still inferior to the Halberd, but it would be close enough in power I would use it anyway for roleplay / character theme reasons. I will nerf myself a little for style and roleplay. Just not a lot.

  6. Posted

    I agree. I feel like the new system makes them worthless. I had a source spring on deed for awhile and sometimes I would forget to check it. The quantities I was getting were so small it was easy to forget I had one right there. A worthwhile amount that went by either of your suggestions (one drain empties it and then it appears somewhere else, or you could wall it in for a month or two) would make me start caring about source springs again. As is when I see one, I get a level of excitement roughly equal to finding a 5c piece while foraging. In other words, it's nice but for the most part I don't care.

  7. Posted

    I believe it was a response to people walling off source springs so they could collect and sell huge amounts. You used to be able to go around and put 1x1 houses around a bunch of source springs then check them very rarely to get large quantities of source for sale.

    With the new system it's not worthwhile to claim a source spring unless it's in a place you visit on a near-daily basis. I really wish they would make it revert back to the old system if the spring is on deed though as it's just far less tedious. I can understand why a 1x1 shack is cheesy but if you're willing to put down a deed on a spring then that's a different level of commitment.

  8. Posted · Edited by Eldurian

    I don't think many people would be satisfied with the look of an actual historical war scythe who are not already satisfied with halberds unless all they really want is a 2 handed sickle, which would quickly become one of the most popular weapons in the game by virtue of having the highest potential damage output (not at all what I am asking for as it would be a slap in the face to people who trained things like huge axe). And it would require the creation of an additional model.

    The appeal is in weilding a grim reaper scythe like that of Libla. The grain harvesting scythe is already a grim reaper scythe for some reason, the only way it could be made more so is removing the addon to the handle and stylizing it a bit more like Libilas if we want to get really fancy. I'd be happy to use the model as is though.

    That's why I say, make it's virtue as a weapon magical. The scythe is a very symbolic weapon and Essence Drain lines up perfectly with what it does. Stealing additional health is a perfect flavor counterpart to "reaping souls".

    However I could agree is we really want realism we could have 2 models. The existing one would become the combat scythe and the new one would have a realistic handle / blade angle:

    farmer-scythe-BATWTJ.jpg

    If that's something people really care about.

    In a game with dragons and demigods I don't think it even scratches suspension of disbelief to make a semi-unrealistic weapon work better via magic. Not to mention a game where you create coconuts by adding cocoa to nuts.

  9. Posted · Edited by Eldurian

    1 hour ago, armyskin said:

     


    If it's the realism angle we're going to argue about I'd like to refer you to a couple pictures:

    Scythe.png

    That is a mundane grain harvesting Scythe in Wurm.

    wurm-20150521-1818.jpg

    That is Libila holding a scythe.

    Notice the strait handle and the angle of the blade in both depictions. 

    He did an analysis of a realistic scythe. Wurm does not have realistic scythes. If seeing people use them as a weapon will ruin your suspension of disbelief it should already be ruined as the scythe model used in Wurm would probably be very inefficient at cutting grain.

    However from the realism angle, you'll notice I suggested a bonus to a magical enhancement granted by Libila rather than enhancing the base weapon stats. That's actually because I was taking into account a Scythe isn't an ideal weapon, but it's one favored by Libila.

  10. Posted

    Anyway, while it seems like we'll have to agree to disagree on whether or not all weaponsmithing items are intended to be used as weapons, the more important questions are:

    1. Would scythes as a viable weapon be fun?
    2. Would it be hard to implement?
    3. Is there a good reason not to?

    1. I think a lot of people, especially followers and priests of Libila would get a kick out of wielding a Scythe. 
    2. The animations and skills already exist. It is simply a matter of adjusting stats and/or adding a bonus like I suggested. 
    3. Other then the potential to make them overpowered I can't think of any. 

  11. Posted · Edited by Eldurian

    57 minutes ago, Ostentatio said:

     

    I really, honestly don't think that something like a carving knife is intended to be a viable weapon. It does less DPS than a belaying pin, for god's sake. I would interpret it having its own special attack as more of a novelty than anything.


    We've been able to equip a weapon in our offhand slot for forever but it hasn't been viable in years. Knives had their own special attacks but have never been viable. 

    I'm guessing the two are related. Seems like features that were added in preparation for coming updates that were put on the backburner (Much like the cape slot in your inventory right now). There is a lot of evidence they've been planning to do more with knives for a long time right down to the fact they have their own weapon category parent skill like polearms, axes, mauls and sword. It all hints to me at a major dual wielding update that Rolf just never got around to.

  13. Posted · Edited by Eldurian

    Like I pointed out. Carving knives and butchering knives used to have special moves that required you to be wielding one. That's why the carver is called the carver. It used to be done with a carving knife.

    I think THAT disproves your assumption they aren't meant to be used as weapons. You don't make special attacks for tools. On that grounds I would dismiss your evidence. 

     

    Sacrificial knives are just butcher's knives, the even use the same skill.

    All we have left is scythes and sickles.

    Sickles are a viable weapon.

    So my takeaway from that is CR penalty does not automatically mean it should never be used as a weapon. It seems more to be a measure to attempt to balance the fact you can skill dual purpose weapons by using them as tools (For instanced sickles are my 2nd highest weapon skill and I've never used one as a weapon). It's also worth pointing out the Butcher's and Sacrificial knives have a CR penalty of 1 and scythes, sickles, and carving knives a CR penalty of 2. High compared to pure weapons, low compared to most non-weapons.

     

  14. Posted · Edited by Eldurian

    All you really need to understand the difference between weapons and tools is this:

    The hatchet.

    The hatchet did not used to exist in game. When I started Wurm it was a small axe. It functioned as both a weapon and had every function that hatchet currently has. You actually got a small axe as a part of your newbie toolkit, not a hatchet.

    Later on they were separated into two items. The hatchet and small axe.

    The small axe retained weaponsmithing as it's governing skill. It kept it's combat stats and lost it's function as a tool. 

    The hatchet, having been nerfed in all stats that made it a semi-viable weapon, became a blacksmithing item now improved by blacksmithing. Despite "having a blade" and essentially being identical to a small axe in every way except function.

    Small Axe > Weapon = Weaponsmithing
    Hatchet > Tool Only = Blacksmithing

    If it is improved with weaponsmithing, one of its intended uses is to be used as a weapon.

    If it is improved by blacksmithing it's purely a tool.

  15. Posted · Edited by Eldurian

    Carving/Butcher's knife are weapons like the scythe, just very underpowered ones as well. If the blade were the defining factor a leatherworking knife would also be a weapon. Which it is not, it improves with blacksmithing.

    Carving/Butcher's knives on the other hand used to have special moves specific to them back when special moves were determined by categories like sword and maul rather than blunt and slash, and even their own weapon category (knives).


    I imagine the reason they are so underpowered is they were meant to have application in dual wielding, and then dual wielding got nerfed into oblivion.

    But scythe, carving knife, and butcher's knives are really all just just underloved weapon/tools that were meant to be viable but forgotten. The sickle is the example of what they all could and should be.

  16. Posted

    4 hours ago, armyskin said:

    Farming tool is not a weapon just because you can use it as one. A brick is a weapon too then and should bash harder than mauls since they weigh more.

     

    But it is a weapon. When you improve a Scythe the skill required and raised is weaponsmithing. Unlike say a shovel, saw, pickaxe, hatchet etc. which are raised by usage of blacksmithing.

    That makes it more comparable to the sickle, which while it can be used to gather sprouts flowers etc. is also one of the heaviest damage 1h weapons.

  17. Posted

    The Scythe is a tool but so is the sickle which is commonly used as a weapon. It takes weaponsmithing to improve like the sickle so it's a tool/weapon.

    Given it's strong association with Libila and the numerous depictions of her wielding one (her colossus, tapestry of evening, her statuette etc.) I would love to wield one as a priest of Libila. But it's far too underpowered to justify wasting time training in it.

  18. Posted

    According the chance Halberd has 1.20% crit chance and scythes 1.60%.

    So Scythes have a 0.40% crit chance advantage.

    VS. 2 Skill penalty, 1 shorter reach, no bonus against charging enemies and 20% parry chance vs. 100% (I'm assuming that's a % of normal parry rate).

    The downsides seem to far outweigh that one upside.

  19. Posted · Edited by Eldurian

    https://gyazo.com/8f7ad1fc02f684e7142ef1feafcd612b

    So this picture is a direct side by side comparison of Scythes and Halberds. Of course the Halberd bonus against charging opponents isn't even shown, and even without it's a significantly better weapon. No skill penalty, better parry, longer reach, the only downside is a slightly lower crit chance.

    However the latest round of updates has given the ability to make a very flavorful buff to Scythes. 

    For those who remember the days before statuettes Scythes were the channeling object of Libila in the days of old, and are still prominently featured in most depictions of her. With the new spell "Essence Drain" there is now a spell available to her priests that drains health.

    I suggest giving scythes a benefit that when they have Essence Drain cast on they have a bonus to the quantity of health stolen. Pure RP flavor, but come on, it would be awesome, and it wouldn't make them OP in any way unless you way overdid the bonus. Just less trash. 

  21. Posted

    I'm noticing many of the deities have updated spells but the penalties and passives seem to be lagging behind. For instance:
     

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    Priest penalties



    That is from the current version of the Smeagain page but does not reflect his changes as a Mag template deity. 

    Also his passives:

     

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    Smeagain priests abilities and penalties

    (See the priest page for details on priest-hood)

    Priest abilities


    According to this page he has no passives which seem very doubtful to me.

    I've noticed smaller inaccuracies with my own deity Libila. According to her page she cannot garden. However I picked and planted flowers barely ten seconds ago. If she has gardening restrictions they need to be more specific because I have yet to encounter a gardening action I'm blocked from.

    I'd really appreciate if someone could make these changes as I have a friend looking to get into the game that wants to play a 15% damage bonus priest and I can't really inform him about any options other than Mag given all the inaccuracies surrounding passives at the moment. 

  22. Posted

    So watching the fishing video, while it looks way more fun than the current system a huge concern was raised for me.

    The biggest problem with the current system is fish are essentially useless. They aren't a good food for HFC grinding nor are they used in any top tier recipes like full house pizza.

    So if I am doing more work per fish it might be more fun, but what is the take away in the end? Hopefully this is something you've already considered but if not it is something you need to.

    To this end I suggest a couple things:

    1. Fisherman's stew
    Oven + Cauldron + Stock + ONE OR MORE Any fish (Whole grilled, diced, steamed etc.) + ONE OR MORE Any veg (chopped) + OPTIONAL salt

    People would actually make this as listed because it can be made in a cauldron (64kg capacity) and easily allows for 30 ingredients meaning FHP level affinity timers. As a liquid though it has alternate storage options. Primarily it can be stored in a sealed barrel and you can fill waterskins from the barrel/reseal as you need it. This is a highly useful storage with the downside it must be contained within a container at all times. So people would actually use this recipe but there would still be benefits to using FHP.

    2. New recipes using things only found through fishing.

    Things like pearls could be added as ingredients extractable from things found while fishing meaning there is a certain value in fishing for the sake of unique crafting materials.

  23. Posted

    9 minutes ago, JakeRivers said:

    There is a option already to have affinities deleted.

     

    It involves a trip to chaos.


    To be fair to him, as I stated above, the chances are random. If you have a mix of good and bad affinities and you choose to "delete" the bad ones in Chaos you could very potentially lose good ones.

  24. Posted

    You want bad affinities. As Oblivionnreaver stated, if you have an affinity in X skill it won't affect you chance to get a new one in Y skill. Just your chances of getting a 2nd affinity in X skill.

    Where bad affinities really benefit you is say you have a weaponsmithing and body strength affinity and you go to Chaos and get killed. 50% chance they get WS, and 50% chance they get BS.

    Now say you have WS, BS, Yo-yo, Puppeteering, Exorcism, and Preaching. You have a roughly 1/6th chance of losing any of those given skills, giving a level or protection to your more valuable affinities.

    So "bad" affinities are of considerable worth if you are a PvPer, and harmless if you aren't.