sulfurblade

So these guys claim to play for the Economy or the ability to transfer in-game items characters or whatever into real life cash. And for the Social aspect of wurm.... So from there perspective I can buy there arguement that WU likely is not for them.... I had a discussion with one of my mates about WU who brought up the opposite of what I predicted... The first thing that popped into my head was that Private Wurm servers could take subs from freedom, that the builders would prefer the ability to control there server more then the PvP types.... He said " Why wouldn't Private servers make for a great environment for the PvPers to create the PvP server of there dreams the Challenge Server meets Epic, all for free without a subscription.... And honestly after he said that I was like wow I didn't think of that but damn, you could make some pretty nice private PvP private servers... So Now I can see reasons for not just freedomers to leave but now for epic to leave aswell.... I don't see myself leaving for WU because I have put so much work into affliction, but what is keeping us from recreating Yggdrasil, Epic Booty, DSC or any other deed in our own private server?!? If the right influencial pvpers decide to jump ship and set up a private PvP cluster with skill gain between Epic and Challenge on a smaller map maybe I would decide to stop paying a sub and enjoying WU if my social group decided to migrate?!? There are alot of what if's And to be totally Negative or Positive about it is crazy! I could see possibilities happening, but its easy to predict things... Until it actually happens we don't really know!

So lets seriously Ponder the out of the blue announcement from Rolf?!? What is Wurm Unlimited??? Private Servers, Creative mode, Steam linked.... ---Many people think this will bring new people to wurm?!? But why??? Why would these people who learn to play Wurm in Creative mode want to play Wurm in an environment thats slow and difficult??? And does playing in Creative actually teach them anything about the real game??? How often did Creative mode work for Minecraft? Who demanded to be made a GM or given creative mode on a minecraft server?!? ---- Kids with a short attention span (9 times out of 10) If you ever played Minecraft why did you stop??? Did you get sick of 1000's of Small mis-managed servers where the GM was 13 years old and calling you a Haxxor because your client lagged out and he couldn't hit you with his spawned diamond sword. Granted Minecraft was a big ole smash hit but its hay day has come and gone, sure it was a nice sandbox where your work got destroyed every 3 months after another server stopped paying its bill.... where you bounced around thru 15 servers for about 2 weeks until you found one that was decently managed so it could eventually die again in another 3 months when it too stopped paying its bill.... Well for the life of me I don't see how Wurm Unlimited brings anything but instability to Wurm Online... New player generation??? Sure maybe a few trolls that will quickly get sick of playing the hard way for a few months?!? For all the subs it will add it will also take away.... How many Freedomer's complain that there deed got raided thru abuse of permissions or some such crap, they are always whinging about how there safe world is never safe enough... now they have that option!!! How many Freedomers will create there own private servers and there own private server clusters??? How much revenue with Freedom lose??? Oh but they will still generate revenue on the back end via Wurm Unlimited, right??? Sure for a few months I bet, but how often will they resist Creative mode, when will they spawn in that next build to one up the other server on the cluster, how long will it take till it becomes that craps not legit you expect me to believe you built a too scale Tahj Mahal in 2 weeks??? Sorry but I only see Wurm Unlimited as being a Fast Forward button for players to speed there way to the point where they can quit playing wurm and go about there lives doing something else that's not wurm! While I would love to be proven wrong, as I don't want to see Epic die.... I laugh at the idea that Wurm Unlimited is going to save Wurm or be this amazing influx of quality players.... At best it will bring us 13 year old Trolls that will only cause more drama until they get bored and or run off... And don't get me started on the black eye wurm will get on steam! The Hunter another amazingly awesome game, one of my favorites is a perfect example of steam serving up a big ole negative rep hit, it doesn't deserve! Is Wurm destined to be the next great game with a low steam rating??? Maybe I am just old and I don't deal well with change but in what world does Wurm Unlimited make sense?

Wurm Unlimited and what it means to me! A) Do I expect to make some private server, NO.... The #1 thing I hate about games that could be competitors too Wurm, like: Life is Feudal etc is the fact there on a tiny server with a max population, no thank you!!! B] Will it change my wurm life in the least bit??? Probally not I don't see things changing on Epic, we play for more then just the building of buildings, though I am one of the far more Carebear, individuals on Epic rarely ever leaving the home server and quite happy to spend most of my time building another wall or road or canal or somthing....I have never understood those who play on Freedom, why they want to build with Zero Danger sounds like a very dull game! C) I am however quite honestly concerned with the Freedom Playerbase! Why would a Freedom type player continue to play on freedom and pay for it when he can now have his own even SAFER Private Server where he can be a GM and build everything he has ever wanted in minutes instead of years?!? And I am no fool, I understand that Freedom creates a big chunk of revenue for Wurm?!? So the only way I see this effecting me on Epic is Wurm going broke from what looks to be the dumbest thing I have seen rolf do yet?!? However- am I going to sell my account, no.... Am I going to quit playing wurm, no.... I am going to cross my fingers and hope this all works out and the game I love keeps on trucking along!

From an Epic Point of view, MEH... Doesnt bother me any... not going to partake in all this silly private server crap or get worked up over it, just going to go about my daily routine in Epic.... However, if I were a Freedom Carebear I would be all kinds of worked up over this!!! Now my land of creative genius which is the whole point of freedom as there is no PvP, just people building.... is obsolete, now the carebears can use Creative on there own server to build 5 years worth of stuff in a day! Hooray there grind is over they can now un-install wurm and go do something else..... Sorry Rolf but I think you must have been under the influence of something! I just hope the death of Freedom won't lead to the death of Epic but I would be a fool to not expect it....

Honestly this thread has me completely Intrigued from a totally different point of view! I am just amazed that people have the opinion that the seller needs to provide yet another horse, when the buyer made seller travel, provide gear, and even tame the things?!? Seriously??? The Seller went far beyond the deal.... and yet people still think the seller needs to PONY up another horse!?!? Which has me thinking that this is an obvious example of the mentality differences in people and in this case I am interested to see if this is a clear Freedom Vs Epic difference in opinion as I think it may actually be! So I ask you if your from Epic Do you think the Seller went way beyond and does not owe an additional horse? And all those who think the Seller should give an additional horse are you from Freedom? ***Note I am seriously interested to see if there is a clear cut difference in opinion here? This is not an attempt to create some Freedom Vs Epic war just answer the question for data collection purposes****

So to me this is obvious, Dannygirl went for above and beyond she delivered she tamed etc.... When she was simply selling you horses and gear the fact you couldnt tame a horse on your own is not her concern! The fact you made her jump thru hoops that ended in the death of one of your horses is not her fault... She doesnt owe you a single cent... You get what you buy and asking a person to do anything more and then demanding a refund when things go wonky is just plain dumb! Its also plainly obvious this happened on Freedom, as no one on epic would be that naive to think the seller is going to tame your horse for you etc....

So on the touchy topic you touched on in regards to being able to travel to and fro from freedom and epic with some crazy skill gain adjustment logarithm well, I disagree.... A) thats only gate away and a gate can be a very convenient form of travel. This would allow people to use Epic as if it were Felluca and Freedom as if it were Trammel (Stealing Ultima Online terms) and you would quickly see Epic turn into a ghost town, because even the pvp minded would want there base in the most secure location IE freedom.... This would only lead to ruining the game, IMHO.... So I have a different suggestion. A new Religiously tolerant and Alignment tolerant kingdom made up of Libila, Fo, Vynora, Magnaron, and Player god followers. (Freedom) Can rename it something catchy.... And connect the Freedom Cluster Via the North side of Elevation but not directly.... Put a Server inbetween and Call it wild... Filled with the most horrible Mobs Wurm has ever seen... Sea Serpents common place, NoGumps common Place, Drakespirits common place, Eaglespirits common place, this server would be crazy for even a knarr full of highly skilled players to enter and live and thats because of the PVE content that is there.... And absolutely no building on this server.... And No Rock either... so no Mines used as safe harbors...just lots of crazy terrain made of dirt... If Any of the PvP kingdoms did dodge there way thru this PvE nightmare then they arrive in freedom where they get met with, a Worse Skill Debuff then if they were on a Home server (Thats right we will protect the carebears).... However on the flip side if Freedom rally's together and manages to sail a Knarr full south and they make it thru the PVE nightmare then they could head to a Homeserver with there crazy skills?!? (Nope they get the same higher debuff on homeservers as we get when we travel to them) AH but Elevation the land of battle will have no debuff to skills so yes the Carebears can freely travel down to Elevation and wreak havoc from affair but they have to actually travel via an inconvenient mode of transportation to do so! And before the Freedomers wave their arms in protest saying no we don't want to be hooked up to the PvP land we don't want to be part of Epic because you will all come kill us every 5 minutes. - I want you to know that thought process is off base even on epic PvP on the homeservers is sparse and with a larger skill debuff applied and having to travel thru this crazy PvE infested nightmare to get there you would still live 99% of the time in the same relatively peaceful mode you live in now..... I am sure there will be plenty of people that think this suggestion is half baked but think of the benifits of having one Big Sandbox.... You could even travel from Chaos to Freedom set sail down thru the Crazy new Wild and possibly make it to Elevation.... Everyone could cross each others path even if doing so is a totally suicidal endeavor akin to climbing mount everest...

So I wanted to Choose CA Help and a Village mate but I had to choose only 1 so it was the village mate.... But Paradox on Affliction was a great CA for a long time and he was always around to help when there were no village or ally's online! So Props to Paradox..... As for Wiki: I am very annoyed that we cannot update the data on Wiki as its often times wrong! As a veteran player I have made attempts to become one of the elite few to be able to update wiki and I have been either ignored without ever recieving a reply or straight up denied... So while Wiki can be helpful to new players its often times out of date or missing info and yet there are people who would happily update the wiki if they could....

Maybe we can use our spyglass to view the menu?!? Seriously the Tiny Menu is crap, No Model yet for the Valeri Temple is Crap and the removal of wood textures is crap! New Dragons sounds awesome as long as the servers are not overrun with All the Colors of a Dragon and all the Colors of a Drake at the same time.... I could just see uniques rampaging thru towns because there overpopulated!!!

Well I feel a bit like a chump, a degree in software engineering and a former LAN Admin in the navy and yet I never bothered to check the date on the driver!!! Well that was it Brash I updated the driver thru the link you gave and OpenAL is working like a charm!!! TY so much for your great help... Wurm sounds like it should again.... woot...

No ghost devices And I have 4 Copies of NVIDIA High Definition Audio that correlate to my Video Card and 1 copy of NVIDIA Virtual Audio Device (Wave Extensible)(WDM) that again correlate to the Video Card Plus the Realtek High Definition Audio So again I am at a loss, and again I thank you for the assistance your giving. Also all the above drivers seem to be up to date.... And I have not switched to Windows 10 yet because I hear its causing issue's with several games that I play....

Brash, TY for the reply, First off I have tried 2 seperate headsets both (3.5mm via the onboard sound card) both have the same issue, the headset I am using is Turtlebeach Earforce X12.... Though I am quite sure its not an issue with the headset itself but with Wurm being stuck on my old Plantronic USB headset... The new one being a 3.5mm via the Mobo's onboard sound. There is nothing in my sound devices other then my onboard Realtek High Definition device... And if I disable that I lose all sound as its driving the headset. The headset as far as I can tell has not created its own device like my usb one did because I dont believe it has its own built in sound card its just a dumb headset if you will..... I could be wrong... So to sum up there is only one device too select in my sound manager thats the Realtek High Definition Audio that come onboard my Motherboard. If I disable it all sound is gone... Wurm does play sound through Software mode but its horrible, and like a whole new world in my ear and I can't get use to it.... Fighting sounds distant and quiet where fighting was very loud and prominent with the Open GL, footsteps are louder in software then in Open GL, driving a cart is down right annoying with software intermittent start and stop of cart and wagon sound never heard that with Open GL... So still want to somehow get back to Open GL but I am at a loss as to what to do...

So I get sound in everything but Wurm since my last headset died, and I had to get a new one.... I did get some wurm sound when I switched to software instead of the Open GL and well that was some funky sounding wurm and it proceeded to crash right quick.... switched back to Open GL and nope no sound... Wurm doesnt ever show up in my sound mixer as a running program when its going! Any help would be much appreciated...

Since wurm evidently is able to update the goblin leader, and change the graphics for weapons for the 100th time etc etc... you obviously must have people on the staff that can give the Valeri Temple a Model once and for all..... Most everything in game that doesnt have a model isn't a big deal a butchered bison or valeri items, I don't notice them!!! But my Valeri Temple that took 1000's of Actions, the rarest flower in the whole internetz... and a whole lot of time sitting out there as a daily reminder of OMG how do wurm dev's prioritize there time??? Bye flipping a coin??? Annoy's me to NO end! Its simply unbelievable that an items the Wurm God's Demand that you build that takes so a monumental amount of work HAS NO MODEL.... This needs to be priority #1 for the Artists... its not acceptable the first time I posted this months ago.... and its NOT acceptable now....

Goblin leader gets graphic updates and the Valeri Temple still is a big ? Bag Placeholder!!!! If you want me and others to be happy about graphical improvements then atleast create a damn graphic for all the stuff that has placeholders before changing the look of a Small Maul for the 20th time!!!

its not on deed.... I am not on Freedom I am on Epic.... Bridges again are suppose to be repaired when walked on....

I am of the understand that bridges were changed to function like roads and there decay reset when they are used?!? If this is suppose to be the case then its not working!!! My Bridge to my deed is used 20-100 times a day and the decay is not resetting at all....

Inkheart: The Original Owner of the account aka Spellfire, does not play much anymore and is surely missed! Kept me supplied with good gear when I was but a fledgling player, helped me with many wurm projects and often bailed me out when I was in the worst positions like stuck and boxed into a fence because of a wonderful NoGump trapping me there... I could always count on him to help!!! Biggibo: For being a long time friend and ally in Wurm, often listening to me vent in PM's. Always there to back me up when the chips are down, and for the strong leadership he helps provide BL, he can be a strong voice of reason in sea of chaos and instability!!! Saddamo: For being helpful, for being unique for being a poor farmer, and the Richest Player I ever knew in wurm! Your missed.... Stop playing so much minecraft!!! Rileys: For being my right hand man, keeping our village running, finishing all the impossible projects I start! And for being a stand up Aussie!!! Atheas aka Strongwall: For the 1000's of 98+ QL Locks I have demanded thru the years! For the generous amounts of Silver you donate to the Village, for the infinite amount of time you put into the game and put into our village and our alliance and Black Light in general. Your one of the Vets that keeps Affliction kicking and your a Legend in my book!!! Paradox: For the lengthy time you served as THEE CA of affliction, you taught all of us thru the years even if CA Help WASNT for chat..... And you are also a Legend of affliction my friend!!! Durand: For being a Damn good friend, and damn good person, we play far more then wurm together and you still log in routinely to help little ole me even if wurm is grindy and not always your favorite cup of tea, its appreciated!!! Libila: For making me cut trees all over the map, for making me hunt rare flowers for hours, for demanding I build a Temple that DOESNT have a Model yet (DEV's COME ON)....

Zcul I think that would be an excellent idea!

S Well players of note! From both Epic and Chaos give this *Thumbs Down* And as has been pointed out there is support for this from Chaos and Epic players, I also don't think we need to resort to calling these players "Scrubs" either! They have there reason's and older veteran's who have played both sides of the fence understand that what they are asking for would be a bad move for wurm. Epic and Chaos players have very different mindsets and play in very different ways! Heck you can see a change in mindset between Elevation and the Home Servers. Right now while a healthier population would be nice, every type of wurmian and there playstyle has a home and a place. And its a good blend a health mix if you will.... I believe that many of these players that want this merge are also those that are the most "Call of Duty" They crave action, combat, killing, death, the PvP excitement non stop 24/7 And they sometimes forget that many players around them are not so oriented, they might crave making a road, or creating a bridge more then killing another player!

Why do new players quit??? Your seriously asking this??? A) You arrive in Golden Valley from there is a (Wonderful) or (Annoying) Tutorial that can or can't be skipped and is Always skipped because it takes so much time (Atleast that is how a new player feels regardless as they don't yet understand that wurm takes time) So now they just gotta get out of this horrible place (Golden Valley) and Get somewhere where there are people- But where?!? OMG all these options (Epic, Chaos, Freedom, Deliverance, Serenity, Affliction, Elevation, etc.... *CONFUSED* - Ended up on Freedom, Cant PvP wtf.... I want to smash some face this game sux's - Ended up on Affliction, I want to build something cool wait why did I just get killed??? PvP I hate pvp.... C) Finally get to where you want to go... - New PvPer ends up on Affliction, where is everyone, how do I talk, HELP chat, (Uhm how do I talk) .... Wait 10 minutes for a 33% Chance of STFU noob or 66% Chance of (Random advice that could be of use) -5 Minutes latter bored 60-70 FS 6 Month old account on the verge of quiting Wurm because there is not enough action and too much grind decides I am going to go hunt this newbi that talked in help chat! - Shortly after newbi gets killed by totally different guy who's deed he came to close too... - Winds up at the started town where the guy hunting him is waiting at.... D) New Builder type player makes it to Freedom only to find out he really can't build anything cool.... E) Most players that quit never fully experience wurm because they are not allowed to with the 20 Skill cap restrictions on the account. May or may not have stayed if they actually could have built a home with Brick and Mortar and it didnt fall down 5 days after they built it, off deed terrible QL. Unknown to them that there wood shack would decay in 5 days. After it took them 5 Days to actually build it because omg finding the Iron to make that Large Anvil took all of day 1.... then chopping all the planks took an entire day... And the nails omg the large nails and small nails.... what a pain.... (No idea a normal player can build there 5 day project in about 5 minutes of time) F) So they never go premium, the community kills them, tears down there wooden eye sore of a house in 3 hits (ONLY 3 hits) took me all day to make that!!! And all they see is the worst part of the Wurm Grind... Being New! How do you fix the community??? How do you fix stupid??? -For the most part you can't You have to make the community start being nice?!? Stop accusing everyone of being spys??? How on earth do you do this??? -Ingame moderation might help but then again we could end up with more of the silly OMG you typed a curse word into global chat I must beat my chest and show off my ability to moderate because I am a CA crap! ***So let me Rephrase, In Game Professional Moderation could help*** Not player volunteers on a power trip! This however will never happen as that would require Paying people! Maybe try asking the playerbase to be nicer.... reward niceness... masquerade as a new player and see if you get helped maybe give a title or some premium time to folks that do good... (We already have that "The Referal system") - LOL You mean the system that allows a new player to sell his referal for some silver to any random dude that could be the first guy to kill a new player! I don't think the referal system should be removed is functions as well as can be expected... Simply have a GM or Dev interact in the world masquerade as a new player from time to time and reward people who are worthy would possibly start to change the community for the better??? Maybe??? Thats one idea! A almost mandatory Tutorial is needed - Who can avoid the mandatory Tutorial, Player's refered by premium accounts of good standing IE I talked my buddy into playing wurm and I play to teach him how to play he doesn't need to go thru the tutorial - Alts of Premium accounts, obviously should not have to go thru a mandatory tutorial.... (Though they should get some sort of Infamy when mis-used as spy alts) What would the Mandatory Tutorial be A land of low difficulty mobs, plentiful guard towers, Mines that have been reinforced with plentiful veins so they are not destroyed by dumb mining, and plenty of mountains where people can dumb mine! You Graduate it when you reach a certain skill gain amount or you create a boat and sail away.... A land where the starter town has Large Anvils PLANTED Forges PLANTED Ovens PLANTED etc to make it easy to craft! A land with lots of FLAT land for lots of 1*1 wooden shacks! when Writs leave said land they vanish and you never can return too.... No Veteran can travel there and grief! *** I believe if the normal random new wurm player was put into this type of environment, No Trolls, or Veteran players, easy access to resources, that they could learn the basics of wurm in a peaceful less hectic way!*** That it would help player retention!

Most of the -1 against this idea in the thread Are Epic guys!!! Arronicus Zeke Gary Lorena Myself infact the guys in the begining who +1 this claim to be from Chaos and there reasoning is that Epic has an insignificant population!

This is an incredibly useless topic A) While sure you could make an arguement that the mounted combat buff can help a newbi kill a chicken or allow him to be more mobile when he is overweight its simply not NEEDED or vital, its a waist of the Developers time! More or less newbi tools are pointless, the first random person that kills you will make you drop it all because newbi tools drop on a pvp death??? (WHY) Oh right respawn and attacking of Premium Geared players over and over! - So because a Free Alt can exploit a game mechanic we make newbi items drop on death??? - How about fixing said exploit another way and NOT have newbi tools drop on death! Because REAL newbi's need there crappy tools! C) While most newbi items hold no GREAT value to a Veteran player a Newbi rope that is with them everytime they die to a NoGump or Drakespirit would be VERY VALUABLE and thus WHY it should NOT EXIST..... (Because if the Veteran didnt have a reason to kill the random new player, just incase he is a spy alt, the need to get himself a new BLESSED Rope could actually serve as a reason for even the more tolerant Veterans on PvP servers to kill a lowbi... So to summarize, the development team has waisted time to paint a target on new players heads instead of fixing the one major flaw in newbi tools (They drop on PvP death) Additionally the crowd of people that like to abuse alts will no doubt make Freemium alts over and over to create a Catapult.... Something a Freemium alt could never imagine because the aquiring of rope (Rope Tool / Skill / Wemp ) Was highly unlikely but the rest of the parts needed for a catapult are quite easy! So now we will have the typical armys of Free alts actually armed with Damaging Catapults>???????? Seriously Dev team???

I agree in part with Lorena, I didnt do any libila missions to get Nathan to ascend? Why is he one of my gods? Nothing against Nathan I am glad he has gotten his due but wtf! He has been my enemy as long as I have played this game, I sure ain't going to switch to his religion..... but wait he might get LT MS and Genesis and (Insert other WL spell a BLer really wants) Not I am thinking about making an alt a Nathan follower??? WHAT!!! Nathan has NO BUSINESS being BL PERIOD!!! IF FO MAKES THESE DEMIGODS GODS.... Then they should be WL!!! Infact Only FO followers should be able to convert to them PERIOD.... Because its FO that keeps winning Scenario after Scenario not libila! So why are you dividing our playerbase up??? With Player gods.... MR is the playerbase that needs to be divided up bye the player gods because FO is who keeps winning and making them..... And to simplify the issue!!! It might not be very fun but the Playergod should get an Exact duplicate spell list of the God that made him a god.... So all those FO appointed gods should have FO spells.... Thats just my two cents...

Same Issue here, and Server population is rather low I am guessing we are not the only people....