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  1. 4 points
    self entitled upper middle class snobs that think the world revolves around them when it clearly should revolve around poor bums like me
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  3. 3 points
    Entitled snowflakes, smug & trendy brothers-keepers, and the hive mind. Yes, I live in the People's Republic of California.
  4. 3 points
    The new servers will be Steam only because we wish to keep them seperated at least for the foreseeable future. The existing Wurm players are not the target of the servers on Steam, while many may try it out, our focus is on a new market of players, with the current Wurm servers continuing, along with all updates and features.
  5. 3 points
    its pretty easy to make statements like that when you dont pvp but having a medieval glue factory is pretty much required coz walking sucks, and is even encouraged by mechanics even before the breed change, ratio for animals on deed is 5 in pvp compared to pve's 15 so you can have 3x the horses in your glue factory
  6. 3 points
    where would tc flee to after that?
  7. 3 points
    There's a lot of things I too find pathetic, many stem from your attitude and while I didn't participate in the Elevation reset due to a lack of care for the proposed changes or ability to see a positive direction coming from them - faster horse breeding was certainly not one of them. Having horses in pvp is a must and they die first and fastest in battle, not having them cripples your chances to participate so if you find people wanting to engage in pvp pathetic then I'm not really sure how much weight the rest of your complaining holds.
  8. 3 points
    Lumps seem to change how they are listed based on if there's 1 or more. Lump, Iron (1) Iron Lumps (2+) For sorting, it would be really nice if it could be Lump, Iron (1) Lumps, Iron (2+) OR Iron Lump (1) Iron Lumps (2+) This would make sorting bsb's & crates to find all of your materials much easier. I think Lump, Iron would be better because it would group all of your metals together if you sorted by name.
  9. 2 points
    +1 If you can see the business sense of emailing before a character's premium runs out, and you already follow the practice, surely it makes equal sense for deeds.
  10. 2 points
    if you don't like people talking bad about you don't do shady stuff lol, man up
  11. 2 points
    I just came back on this thread to post my decision. I'm going to stay on the existing Wurm servers no matter what happens. I'm already invested into three characters and well established on Xanadu. I'm not going to worry about people selling accounts, the current state of trade chat and the markets, etc. I'm just going to stay focused on having fun in the best way I know possible and that is to continue doing what I'm doing despite all the bickering, politics, etc. I've realized that all this is doing is causing me stress and that's not why I come here to play the game. Therefore, I'm dispensing with all of it, I just don't care anymore. All I care about is that the game servers keep running and I can continue playing. Period. I could care less about the Steam version, state of PVP, etc. I just want to have fun so that's what I'm going to do. Perhaps others will come to the same realization. I went down the rabbit hole for a while in this thread but now I digress. I'm done with this discussion. Now that I understand that the company simply wishes to have multiple revenue streams with different target audiences, it doesn't bother me. In fact, it basically means one thing. I'm going to stick with my existing characters on the existing servers and ignore Steam and WU altogether because they don't apply to me. In fact, I think the restriction Steam may have on "multiboxing" will attract certain people to WO. People who want more freedom and less restrictions. Perhaps it will be a better way to bring players into WO but time will tell. WU didn't live up to that expectation but at least it provided a "cash injection" so to speak I guess. The dev team will have to figure out how to manage WO, Steam and WU so that it doesn't become too overbearing on existing staff resources (i.e., developers, etc.). I like the fact that the current Wurm servers are continuing along with all updates and features. It shows we're not *losing anything*.
  12. 2 points
    Oh well.... the one issue I always had with Wurm was the lack of a reason to grind those skills. Sure, being creative with your deed and doing the one or other travel can be nice, but knowing you wont find anything exciting around the next corner is kind of meh... old deed ruins are the best you can hope for. Why should I grind fighting? To keep the mean trolls away from my deed? Spirit Templar and Tower guards can do that too, give me a dungeon to actually use all those skills in. The elusive unique that most of the time only goes to super dedicated hunting groups.... good luck trying to appeal to people with a real life and job, sure for those there is XIV and WoW or whatever then you could say... but if you want more people to play Wurm, it needs more than "here... put down a deed, build your house, up to that point its a survival game and from that point on you have a house it turns into a skill grind game". Grinding any skill to unlock whatever or have better food and so on is all good and nice but here I stand and ask myself what for... The core of Wurm used to be PvP and if you take that into consideration then sure, it all makes sense cause PvP takes that dedication but if you want Wurm to succeed in a PvE way, then it needs more content then the occasional rift or unique and the later will again go to dedicated hunting groups who will tell you "put more effort into it!". Simply slaping some "dungeon of sorts" somewhere is ofc not perfect either, people would flock to it, maybe even deed next to it just to be close and so on. For me it is hard to think up any reasonable PvE content, but what currently is in the game has never really appealed to me. One person, forgive me I forgot who, once proposed something like "gather a ton of mats to build some structure and that then spawns a unique of sorts" or something on a raid level, I think it was mentioned by the FF Brothers too .... maybe something like that would be a direction to throw thoughts at, it's nothing static you would deed close by or whatever and it could be anything, a temporary portal to a raid instance or island or whatever really. I have enjoyed my Wurm years greatly, then again I am not an average player either... Wurm is niché and trying to appeal to more people will be hard with the current content. Wurm is not bad as it is, it just needs more reasons to be played the way it is now... as soon as people fall into the skill grind hole with no real goal beyond that it becomes tedious. For me it is and remains my "Winter Season Game", but with the current news I am not sure I will return this season until those new servers are up. My char has been premed the entire time and still is, regardless if I play or not, I like Wurm.... yet I wish there was more to do, more reason to all this "building your character up" part of the game which takes a huge amount of time. But if you just slap on a new UI and some QoL changes, then sadly I don't see the new servers doing any better than what we have seen in the past - a short spike for the landrush fun (and I can't denie I would be part of that) but then it will slowly wittle down. (Actually I would argue the PvP server may do better on that end, at least it has some reason behind the grind.) Either people catch the grind bug and enjoy the pure skill grind with zero reasoning behind it on PvE or they don't and looking back, not many people did. (Not to mention a big reason for this to work was the RMT, people paid hefty prices for QL70+ tools on Release when it was not conected and so on - this time around there wont be any RMT, so that may produce a hit downwards as well, at least from the veteran side of view - not even considering the "restart from scratch" part. It may as well gives birth to a entire new sort of market, depending how coins will be acquired and then used again considering RMT is out the window.)
  13. 2 points
    And that "something big" that's needed, that "drastic" change you think it will save Wurm is what, exactly? Adding new separate servers? As if they didn't do it before. May I remind you Pristine and Release used to be separate servers and you had to start over from scratch with a new avatar? You think that helped the game growing its playerbase in a way worth mentioning? Not at all; I was there day one, I know what exactly happened: those new separate servers had a peak in the first 2 months and that was all. When the first 2-months subscription was ended, many new players left Wurm (because they got bored, they didn't like the slow pace of the game, or whatnot). The total Wurm population quickly dropped down, more or less to the same level it used to be before introducing new servers. Those new servers ended up being populated mostly by alts created there from veterans, plus some new players who remained. The whole experiment was such a "drastic" change that they had to merge those 2 servers in the Freedom cluster after a few months they introduced them. The party was over, and guess what, NOTHING changed, other that we had two more low-populated servers. Complete nonsense. Not to mention you failed to even bullet it properly. (1) The "wilderness feel" you mention will last 2 weeks maximum. Why? because "new players can be destructive" (your own words). Newbies (and old players starting over) will make a mess in no time, with terraforms and "roads all over". Example: Celebration was mainly a newbie server when they opened it, and a huge area around starting town was a disaster, a huge mess. All that in a matter of few days. Soon, the mess spread out even in my secluded outpost there. But don't worry, today most areas are wilderness, simply because nobody lives there, and even if a deed was there in the past, everything collapsed a long time ago. You don't need a new server if you want to experience the "wilderness feel". On the contrary, a separate new server will cease to be wilderness very quickly, because you will have more people in less space, compared to the many, already empty, Freedom servers. (2) "People like coastal. Good luck on an old server": Nonsense "argument" again; Xanadu itself was yet another server that was not needed (not to mention Xanadu's many problems). Existing servers are full of empty coastal spots, not only in Xanadu but also in all other servers; and it couldn't be otherwise because ALL servers are pathetically low-populated. So who exactly takes over the coastal spots? The tiny playerbase that could fit in one server only? (3) "Clear rock layer": yet another nonsense. Have a tour around Wurm, man. Go to Deliverance and tell me how much of wasteland you will find still standing. I can recall 5 or 6 deeds on west coast, the rest is no man's land, I can easily find a spot and set a mining colony if I wanted to. There are a few old mines, most of them collapsed, and the rest is free for the taking. Pristine is full of thick rock layer you can mine and create your dream underground land. (4) The old-versus-new-players "argument" you tried is just silly. New servers will be full of old players playing a fresh toon; those will have a clear HUGE advantage against newbies. So the exact same issues with perimeters and whatnot will happen. I saw it happening myself on Pristine, back when it was a new separate server. (5) About the "market" argument you mention: Yeah, sure, none of the veterans will play on new servers; not even one of them. It will be a pure newbie community, so newbies will "have a shred of a chance at a market spot before the veterans take over". Seriously man, are you THAT naive? Veterans will be there day one and they will take over market quickly because their new alt will progress 100 times faster due to player's previous experience. That nonsense was already tried out on 2 separate servers in the past. And guess what, veterans playing new toons took over the market in a matter of one month, if not less. I was on Pristine with a new toon; I made ships way faster than newbies eventhough we all started from scratch, because I knew what to do and how to do it. Other veterans took over blacksmithing goods, farming, everything. The market was quickly saturated and the merge of the 2 new servers in the Freedom cluster was inevitable. Long before the merge, veterans already had complete control of the market on separate servers. New players really didn't stand any chance to "create their own market". And you know why? Because the market system needs an overhaul. New separate servers will never change that. (6) The Steam arguments doesn't really deserve any answer. Let me just point out Quality of Life doesn't need any new server; they introduced "QoL" changes in the past; some "purists" didn't like it, and the dust settled in a matter of days. (7) What you call "Wurm classic" is dying already, and new Steam separate servers will be the final nail on its coffin. If you can't see that you are blind. Steam is popular, despite the fact it sucks. Freedom servers will be even more deserted, forcing the remaining oldies to either quit playing, or moving to Steam servers - if they can stand the Steam crap, of course. Furthermore, none of you addressed the fact new servers will be on Steam only. Let's say new separate servers are needed (they aren't, but let's say I agree with you). Even then, why exactly new servers must be on Steam only? New players could just join the new servers via Steam if they want; others could join the new servers without Steam. Simple, and not restricting. Steam itself is a DRM galore, not to mention the bugs. Nevertheless, I have no problem with it, as long I have the freedom not to use it. If you guys like DRM, enjoy Steam as much you like, provided others still have the option to stay away of it. But Steam-only servers, if they succeed, will kill Freedom servers thus killing the freedom to play without Steam. You want new separate servers so desperately? It's a mistake but ok, go ahead and do it. Just NOT Steam-only servers. And don't tell me they need to be Steam servers for some technical reason, because Samool and Rolf already said they MIGHT connect them to the existing Freedom servers in the future, so it is possible to have a new separate cluster not depending on Steam from day one. They just don't want to do it; they want new servers to be Steam-only. I tried to guess why they insist on that in a previous post. I can see why they want Wurm on Steam. Sadly, Wurm is dying, and they hope Steam might save it because it's popular. "More audience, more people joining, more money for the company, Wurm is saved". It's not that simple, though. The best Steam can do is to increase Wurm playerbase for a few months, probably 2 or 4 months maximum. Then playerbase will inevitably drop again, because the "honeymoon" is over. And the question is how much it will drop. What will keep people playing Wurm is the gameplay, not Steam. Wurm is by nature a slow-paced game; I am perfectly fine with slow-paced gameplay, but most people aren't, thus you can never expect a huge playerbase. If I were to guess, I'd say Steam will not have a huge permanent change on Wurm playerbase. It will certainly increase the playerbase, but not too much in the long term. If that's enough to save Wurm, I don't know.
  14. 2 points
    Unfortunatly this Bozo character and all of his alts think it is fun to steal from players right in front of them no matter the situation. I always wondered why he has so many alts, it is because he can be semi anon while he ganks peoples stuff. No it is not against the rules, but it is not something I condone. Glad I put him on ignore and will never talk to him again after the hota statue thefts. We would be much better off with out people like him in Wurm, ruins it for everyone.
  15. 2 points
    Enable PvP on freedom simple solution
  16. 2 points
    next time it will be real alarm but no one expect a thing, stupid reasons to test every week
  17. 2 points
    Lmao dude yoinked your yoink Hahahaha
  18. 2 points
    -- EDITED FOR CLARITY -- What's the status on Amazon? Are there still plans to move the network/server infrastructure to be hosted on Amazon servers along with the Steam integration? I'm just thinking the one big complaint people always have is lag. If you're anticipating a huge number of new players to the game, the existing infrastructure may not handle it so well at launch. Just wondering what the team's thoughts are around that? Personally for me though, coming from Canada, if I have lag I just connect to a VPN in Germany, then I connect to WO and my lag issues are non-existent. Most of the time it's network lag it seems at least in my case. It doesn't happen too often though. I'm biased because I'm a PVE focused player and I don't see PVP as a priority for me personally. However, others do and those people are selling their accounts and quitting the game now before even seeing the Steam release. I think getting the PVE launch right first and then focusing on the PVP aspect makes sense. Take lessons learned from PVE launch and apply to PVP launch. As for the idea of server merges, I don't think anyone likes the thought of losing their existing characters, deeds, items, skills, etc. so I'm *hoping* regardless of what happens, we don't lose what we've already invested tons of money and time into. A lot of us sunk a lot of EU/silvers into these things. From a player's perspective it's seen as a long-term investment into the game for continued fun and future gameplay so the last thing we want is to see all of that money and time spent go to waste. I noticed since the release of Jackal, it really killed Trade etc. on Xanadu. I'm still playing here on Xanadu but it's more dead now than it's ever been. I'm not into the whole Jackal thing and it bothers me that this seems to have taken away a sizeable portion of the Xanadu population away from playing on the server. Overall, it has had a negative impact it seems. What are the dev team's thoughts on this? Perhaps enabling Jackal for 6 months was too long? Finally, maybe this change in direction won't be such an issue in the future *IF* the game manages to attract more players after being migrated over to Amazon and/or Steam. We all hope it *rebounds* and the markets improve. It adds to the fun of the game. As the current server population is on the decline, existing players are losing interest and very worried about what the future holds. I'm one of those people who is going to try and stick with this through thick and thin but not if I'm going to lose my existing characters, skills and all of their belongings. I'm trying to stay positive and base my decisions on "What IS" instead of "What IFS". The community has become sort of toxic lately (due to "What IF" scenarios) and it's sad to see. Perhaps the dev team is striving for a better foundation moving forward but so far it seems to be at the expense of losing the entire existing customer base. I just hope the staff thinks things through! Cheers. -- EDIT FROM YESTERDAY -- I just spoke to someone and they cleared up the reason as to why everyone is selling their accounts. They believe they will all have to *start over* from scratch as there will be two parallel versions of the game (the current one and the steam one). They believe there will be a high possibility of the current one dying. In other words, the reward we get for years of loyalty is to *start over* from scratch regardless if you've been here for 12 years or 3 years, etc. This is my current understanding as to why people are so upset. So it seems to me a merge of the existing data (the current one) must make it into the new one on Steam or this game is going to die a very quick death. ***The person I spoke to said you guys need to should do a Q&A on this matter live on stream before it's too late.*** Might not be a bad idea... I started playing 4-5 years ago so naturally this has me pretty concerned I must say.
  19. 2 points
    People do play the game. The game requires ONE mayor per deed. People may have different deeds with sleeping mayors. It has happened numerous times that a deed disbanded due to this and it would actually make business sense to let people know they have the option to renew before the whole deed is gone and they perhaps decide to, idk...go play another game?
  20. 1 point
    Even after Hota has been won and the battle camp tower has left i still cannot build in area where tower was. [16:15:29] You cannot found the tower here, since this is an active battle ground. Also, when the tower vanished from hota win, it cleared all the walls within an area of about 25 tiles.
  21. 1 point
    We welcome @Shrimpiie and his deed Blackmoor as our second alliance manager on Independence!
  22. 1 point
    I am sure you have a real problem with them scratching your car or pooping on your statues but I cant help it...... Yes those dam seagulls. I'm just trying to sit on the beach. There is a purple red sunset. The campfire is crackling. Someone is playing the guitar his hippy girlfriend sitting very close to me. I have a hotdog on a stick. My wife is giving me the eye. Everything is as it should be. Then out of nowhere those seagulls, flying over the breaking waves. They start squawking. That horrible love making noise they make. That just ruins everything. I wanna give up and go drink or maybe try prison. Those dam Seagulls. I would leave but this hippy chick is playing footsy with me and my wife is smiling. Maybe I will wait it out.
  23. 1 point
    yes, they try to denigrate my name since I'm not doing anything much, this post is totally unnecessary and the two were fighting for the place for days. nothing was stolen, it was who to catch first.
  24. 1 point
    Today I've just got this idea from nowhere, it's a simple decorative item with 'a candle on a skull' Made by attaching candle on a goblin skull.
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  26. 1 point
    I had this when Lady Mystics Farm disbanded. aside from keeping planks, i gave what i found to the alliance she was part of. (theshaw's) there's a funny story involving someone called.. ah good i forgot his name. jake managed to snatch 5k mortar from under my nose.. well played sir. yeah im sorry, if a deed disbands and you're camping it, chances are someone else is as well, even if you don't see them. strategies vary. it's free for all and can be, as the fall of horsedog proved, a very nasty, entirely fervid money grab. Truly ugly colours shining in the rush to claim. I grabbed a rare loom that one of the vultures had expected to claim after he returned from pillaging 1g's worth of stuff, he complained and whined as if his expectation was a right.. till i re-deeded the land and told them all to **** off. (just the land and junk loot, everything else had already been taken.) I didn't get there in time because one of the deed owners had logged on a month before after a year away (evilspot) and told me HD was secure.. that's all i cared about so i stopped camping it and stopped feeding the token with what little i could spare. If i had caught it it was my genuine intention to distribute the wealth because i still loved the server back then. I knew Risky in eq1, crazy bard. Wolfs den is probably another example but i stayed well away from that one. Those that care the most, those that intend to distribute wealth fairly or those that intend to hold onto it for the original owner, never win because they're not fueled by greed. it's not enough to simply care. If greed doesn't motivate you, you are out of your league. better to simply try but expect to be beaten by the professional vultures. Most of them leave stuff behind that they haven't the patience to sell or catalogue. It's better to dissolve your expectations and bridle your hopes. Disbanded deeds are free for all no matter what presence you find there.
  27. 1 point
    For people to know it's a drill, they should always test the sirens like this:
  28. 1 point
    to friends who are interested, there is still rare forge, rare bsb and rare chair, ready to be looted, is in crystal bay, indy. just bash it. Our friend up there notices every time someone goes looting. thanks for nothing
  29. 1 point
    many many hermanos sin casas
  30. 1 point
    Personally, I won't be moving to WOS. Starting again has 0 appeal to me, and playing on a dead world even less. This, I suspect, will be a prevailing attitude among most WO players. If Jackal is anything to go by, the thrill of a fresh start is short lived in most of them.
  31. 1 point
    To put what Ekcin implied more precisely and is usually the source of confusion: There is a "hidden state" that is hotter than "glowing" hot that needs to be reached in order to smelt something. So you have to wait a bit longer after an item turns "glowing hot" still. It is correct that enchants (and runes) will prevent smelting, but OPs problem is that the option does not appear which is entirely tied to the item being sufficiently hot. A hot enough item will always show the option but "resist smelting" when actively trying it if runes or enchants are present.
  32. 1 point
    They thing that I hate about where I live, Arkansas, is how everyone calls you "love, sweetie, hun, darling ECT" I hate it. I just want to be like "i am not your sweetie, sweetie" It is suppose to be a nice thing here, but even being born here I feel like it is a insult or something. It just annoys the hell out of me.
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  35. 1 point
    Yep, title. When you drag an item from your inventory onto a player character it should start the trade window with that item already loaded into it.
  36. 1 point
    A simple email notification should be standard. "Dear Mayor, this letter is to inform you that your taxes are due within the week. Failure to comply will result in your deed being reclaimed by the crown. Signed. - The King." lol. Or something of that nature. This disbanding and looting thing happened to me TWICE the past few years. Each time I was late by a week or so, walls were low ql (because they were on deed, who cares, right?) buildings fell and everything I'd gathered for years that wasn't bolted down was looted the second it was able to be looted. Then all the livestock was stolen or killed, because you know, that's how people roll. People loot stuff down the the nubbins, not even leaving you a few seeds in your FSBs to replant your crops. And it's never newer players. It's always people who have so much stuff they don't know what to do with it that are scoping out your deed the moment it falls. Gotta add to the packrat hoard and junk they don't need into their warehouses after all. Anyway, this is a long way of saying that upon logging back in and finding my deed looted to the bones the immediate response was **** it. Usually a year or so passed before I cared enough to try to rebuild. So yea, this pushes people away. Many, many people I've talked to that I've played with said the same thing. "Yea, I logged in and my deed had fallen and was looted, so I just logged back out."
  37. 1 point
    Definitely +1 A simple email to the address of the mayor's account seems very reasonable. Maybe an option in our character's profile to enable/disable for those on the fence.
  38. 1 point
    It's always a mistake to try to generalize a vast group of people. Some WU servers have survival mods, start with only a crude knife, crude shovel and a hatchet while others are perma-death meaning if you die you completely start over. There are servers with no compasses, vampires and much harder mobs to kill. Some servers have 1x or even slower speeds. There are also faster grind servers that do more with content to make the game less about watching a number and more about having fun. WU in many ways has advanced far beyond WO. WU servers have experimented with trying new things. Unfortunately WO prefers to keep making foolish mistakes rather then reaching out to these people and finding out how things worked out. I have yet to see a single compelling reason for the new steam product that will make people want to play it. Perhaps the compelling reason will come as product details become more known. If it turns out it's just Wurm on steam then I suspect you are going to get another shock. ~Nappy
  39. 1 point
    Sent; since my priest is not playing atm I can't do the demise but I made a little discount
  40. 1 point
    Hi, You can COD Rare Saw - Blank (3.5s) To Arka Thanks
  41. 1 point
    Please COD to Grobrim: QL ~85 Shovel w83 (70c) Thanks!
  42. 1 point
    Please cod to Glory Rare green foresters wool hat (1.5s) QL 41.40 potion of woodcutting (2s) thank you
  43. 1 point
    If you search for adventure and a different experience then a ordinary Wurm server are giving then you got to the right place! The map is huge with two different very large PVE zones (kingdoms) with two PVP kingdoms on the same continent. Religions are remade to deities and spells redistributed. There are 9 different deities to choose from that all has a given place in the storytelling and the kingdom it belongs to. Read up on that before you choose location! There is a very well written backgroundstory behind all 4 kingdoms and there is a Roleplay channel for those who loves to play a RP character. Also a World channel for talking across the kingdoms. The serverowner makes his own mods and they are all working very well and are well thought out not to ruin the story content or the economy but to enhance it. Awakening is a fairly new server with a slowly but steady growing community I hope you are interested to join and be a part of. It is definitly for those who enjoys a slower pace since its 1x1x but then the joy of what you create is a lot bigger. I love the server – can't you tell? Aqeela - Tirvalon
  44. 1 point
    Hi, can you send 2x Rare Horse Shoe - 91QL - 91woa (4.20s) And 2xHorse shoe - 71+QL 95woa (1.6s) COD to Arka pls tx EDIT: Cancel that. don't need anymore. Sorry . Thanks
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    I am sorry for the huge delay, we had some unexpected problems and couldn't log in for a while. I have codded all the items i have found with some discounts, feel free to return them if you don't need them anymore, the thread is now paused, please accept our apologies.
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    QL ~85 Shovel w89 (95c)QL 71 Large Anvil w92 (1.2s) QL 95 Small Anvil w91 c83 (3.4s) QL 68 Carving Knife w96 (1.7s) COD Chachajenkins
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    Friends i am back! Tentatively started playing Wurm again a few weeks back and now getting back into working on my deed. It's been about 7-8 months of me only really logging in every couple weeks due to some....fairly cataclysmic RL issues. Anyways MORE TERRAFORMING! Removed the old manor on the east side so i can bring up the secondary platform same as it is on the west end. and from up top Decided to keep going a bit and make a path along the side of the mountain which i'll link up to local highways soon The tunnel to the top of the mountain is as good as finished but it's honestly not worth taking pictures of because it's just more dark reinforced ramps xD Here's an end of year deedplanner view