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"Wurm Classic" seems too much like returning to the beginning of Wurm with all the goofy old images, avatar styles and game functions that some people advocate to return to with a server. WO or Wurm vs Steam WO seems pretty simple. Let the new guy Steam be labeled differently not the current game but yeah I don't at all like ogwo and don't use the term. =Ayes=

Wurm: The Downward Spiral

'ogwo' sounds like mentioning old/dead game and splits things further.. like talking about runescape releases and such..... nothing good, yet it keeps sucking up the air around forums, while the original brand name fades being renamed in the quotes. That was the reason to drop the question.

And don't drink and play wurm, you wind up naked on deed with no recollection of where you are, your favourite horse is a corpse and you find your corpse on another serve#umwronline

Buckle up, things are gettin REAL in Honeywood ..

First of all I want to thank you for the Steam discussion we've had. Even though there are both strong skeptics and very positive opinions I have decided that we're moving in that direction aiming for a Steam release in the beginning of next year. I've been doing a road map for it and most things just have to be implemented in a pretty straightforward fashion which means we need to redirect our resources.That's why I also announce my decision to appoint a new Product Manager for Wurm: Samool. He's has worked hard on improving the look and feel of wurm, with huge improvements in client performance, massive visual features such as distant terrain, modern renderer and a lot of old desired client changes. He's been doing some server changes as well and even though he'll have a lot to learn we both positive he'll do fine.We're upping his contract and he'll now be taking a more focused approach in generally improving the game, leading to the Steam release. Myself, I'll be looking at implementing different QoL changes mainly for the Steam release but depending on your approval for the current version of the game. Buddas contract will expire in a month, and although I know many of you will miss him sorely these are the types of tough and possibly disruptive decisions I have to take from time to time. I can't say how thankful I am for him taking over the helm of Wurm back in April 2016 and for all the great work he's done for Wurm and you the players. As everyone understands. filling Buddas costume wouldn't be an easy task for anyone and therefor it's often best for a successor to do it in steps, sometimes changing parts of it and taking his or her own path. Hopefully game management won't be too disrupted though and soon move on in old wagon trails.Budda's legacy will live on in things such as the archaeology skill, the new journal system, the ability to gain affinities through pve, runes, and the new jackal server. I want to say from my heart, thank's a lot Budda and Welcome Samool!

If you've got a vein surrounded by reinforced walls, when you mine it out it leaves a nice hole in the wall that you can't collapse due to the walls being ya know, reinforced. Being able to reinforce the vein, and then when it's mined out completely, becomes a cave wall/reinforced call wall would be nice.

wurm is about hoarding items, only can sell by thousand items not less, try sell 250 or 500 bricks and compare it the selling 1000... agree with boost speed of all boats except knarr like the idea of servers with more focused on type of resources, for example pristine and release have big desserts so more sandsonte, deli have... no idea give them slate and zinc...

Damn MR. Ruining the environment.

I can't emphasize more on that, I've said it many times, but please focus on: Setting up the game such as players will need to trade. Make material hoarding difficult as it used to be. Boost a bit the ship speeds especially the big ones. Make a very very very interesting and not random noise-generated map that provides different amenities on different parts of it. Make people feel useful even at the long term when some will get 90 skills and others wont. Part of what makes a sandbox great is that feeling you can do something important in it and affect the whole universe with your actions.

metal brush, 19 ql, 90 coc, 1 s Cod to Jonydowy Thank you.

I think it may depend on how close to a season's "cutoff". It is certainly not unusual for half the server to see snow and the other half to see spring grass, depending on when they logged in. They have to switch the textures at some point and not while people are "looking" at them, so logging in usually checks for whether it is time for a seasonal texture update. You can get the same effect going Spring > Summer > Fall however it is not quite as jarring a chnage as snow > spring grass.

very nice! I am working on extending the highway south from my deed (Hills End) to connect with what's been already done further south east. I'll try and remember to post when it's done

WurmClassic WurmSteam WurmUnlimited Classic is always the best choice: ClassicCoke, ClassicWOW, Classic-al-Muzak (or so we will say ... words are wind )

LOL. You just reminded me of this. (hopefully wouldn't go this far)

I assumed everyone was kidding so I was kidding, while I was the only one kidding?

+1 Glassmaking!

lets do this!

Wurm is not expensive if you consider how many people drink, take drugs, go out to bars/clubs or other forms of entertainment over the course of one year. Times & Coins In 1 (One Account + Deed): 1 month premium time and 1 silver coin (ingame) = 120EUR/year and 12s 1 month premium time and 5 silver coins (ingame) = 192EUR/year and 60s 1 deed that costs 5 silver upkeep (ingame) = 60EUR/year Total in EUR (1 month premium + 1s into bank + 5s deed upkeep): €180.00 (€15.00/month in entertainment) Total in AUD (1 month premium + 1s into bank + 5s deed upkeep): $292.90 ($24.41/month in entertainment) Total in CAD (1 month premium + 1s into bank + 5s deed upkeep): $263.30 ($21.94/month in entertainment) Total in USD (1 month premium + 1s into bank + 5s deed upkeep): $197.62 ($16.47/month in entertainment) Total in EUR (1 month premium + 5s into bank + 5s deed upkeep): €252.00 (€21.00/month in entertainment) Total in AUD (1 month premium + 5s into bank + 5s deed upkeep): $410.05 ($34.17/month in entertainment) Total in CAD (1 month premium + 5s into bank + 5s deed upkeep): $368.68 ($30.72/month in entertainment) Total in USD (1 month premium + 5s into bank + 5s deed upkeep): $276.71 ($23.06/month in entertainment) Can you include that in your entertainment budget? If you can't then you can always sell items ingame to eliminate or at least reduce the overall cost. If you do 1 month premium time and 5 silver coins (ingame) every month, you can always apply the 60s at the end of each year to pay for a year's worth of deed upkeep in advance. Keep in mind, this does not assume multiple accounts, multiple deeds, or deeds that cost less or more than 5s upkeep. It's meant to show the basics; one account + 1 deed for a year in some common currencies.

I hope you do realize Wurm Online can and will go poof the moment their new corporate overlords decide it's not making (enough) money and they don't feel like spending more on it. And at that point WU servers is all the wurm you will have left. Much bigger and more successful MMOs have closed down AC, SWG, WAR, CoH, Landmark, Wildstar, Tabula Rasa... alll those MMOs have been way more successful than WO at their peak, and are now gone. Many of those communities have spent countless manhours trying to recreate their lost beloved game in various emulator projects... I bet many of them would kill for something like WU that would allow people to run private servers after the official game went under.

+1 here too

Skipping endless pages of nothing. This is all that matters and I'll be here till they turn out the lights.

Agreed. Why not just move WO to steam and separate the servers? Let players choose if they want to start on a fresh server, or the old freedom cluster

300 hours and complaining about a game, bet he didn't even finish a house. The arguments about the grind and other aspects are not helpful to the discussion, and detract from the thread as a whole. Wurm is about the journey, to some that's a grind, to others its a path to take that proves itself rewarding in the achievements. We are not seeking to be another cookie cutter faux sandbox mmorpg. We are aiming to be wurm, and while we may change things, we are not sacrificing what makes wurm wurm, and that's the journey.

Definitely a Yes! to this point. Every time I check my deeds Info I am very paranoid about inadvertently clicking the "Disband" option. Although it can be "undone", really it should be moved to the bottom of the list since it is the least likely choice to be used anyway. =Ayes=

Even based on your information here, the game would run you 18e/month which comes out to $19.76, or just about $20/month. With 2 accounts and your 2s/month deed, you don't come anywhere close to your "$40"; it is HALF of that. It was a cheap shot in the sense that I don't get to have an opinion as I am not a player according to him, which is untrue as I am a player as well, that happens dedicates a bit of extra time to help support the game in a staff capacity. There is no "Captain America" ###### here, it is simply calling out your theory that you NEED to pay $40 a month in order to play Wurm as factually broken. Yes, despite you not liking to hear it, having more than 1 account is just fluff, and is a personal decision and not a requirement. And yes honestly, a single account and a deed can get you everywhere.

Subscriptions are a scam. Think about all the free offers you get for things. "Try free for one month, then we will just auto bill you unless you cancel". How many times have people tried free, decided they didn't like it and completely forgot about the service, until BAM, there it is on your credit card bill. There are so many subscriptions for things now. As a consumer, it is a nightmare. Need to move to a model where people can pay one time for a thing they want.

Opening a new server on Steam, just doing the same game mechanics and same subscription model as current WO will end is complete failure. almost every sub you get there will be from existing players on WO. Some will keep going on the old WO servers, but many will abandon them completely. This would just be a money transfer to a new platform, where you also have to give some of it to Steam. Having the possibility of a merge from WO to the Steam servers is a horrible idea, UNLESS the merge is simply moving the WO cluster to Steam, but keeping it completely isolated from any of the new servers. Saying the merge is a possibility is sending a message to everyone that "at some point, we will destroy the market completely and make your hard earned skills pointless". Launching a new server on steam will get some additional traction, but tell me, what do you think a new person will choose, when presented with WU or WO on Steam? I'm all for making the move to Steam, but drop the subscription model. Just deploy it on the WU platform and come up with an alternate form of revenue than the dead subscription model. Also, congrats on the new role! I've always loved your work on the game. I just feel bad that you might be in a more visible position as the execs head down this path of darkness.

Wish you all the best. Just hope the combat won't become another fishing.

longsword, 70 ql, 84N, 89LT, 82COC, 72MS, 3 s CoD to Kysmaster

I am a far from casual player with one deed costing 4s a month and one account. If I need priests I pay for it but that's my own choice. If a player wishes to own everything and be everything solo that's fine, but it's far from expected play nor is it the cost a new player would be looking at. It's like saying you HAVE to buy every cosmetic item from a cash shop to play a game to it's fullest

That was a cheap shot with no ground to stand on, because far as I am aware, I am also a player of this game, and I as well put quite a lot of money into it so I would hope that affords me the privilege of posting in regards to Wurm and its pricing. Paying for an extra account is indeed, just simply fluff, as with a single premium account you get access to the entire game. Paying for a deed larger than the 1s/month minimum upkeep is indeed, just fluff. Both situations are adding no additional content that is unavailable to someone not putting into a premium account and a deed.

It is utterly amazing when folks post this sort of stuff. Let me break it down for the umpteenth time, Wurm, is, cheap. You can purchase premium for 16e/2 months, 8e/1 month essentially. A deed's minimum upkeep is 1s/month. If you convert 1s to 1e, you are at a grand total of, 9e/month to play the game. This totals to just under $10/month. Extra accounts, a larger deed, is wholly on you and is far from necessary to play the game. Everyone quit it with the "oh Wurm is expensive" stuff, because it is not, it is not, it is not. If you are paying $40/month then you have a lot of accounts, or more than one deed, or multiple deeds, or any combination of the sort. In any of those cases, you are CHOOSING to spend that much more on the game, and in no way are REQUIRED to pay that to play the game.

Let's go silver only, for ease of figuring cost. Also, this person has decided to make a 25x20 deed ( max for 1s monthly upkeep ). Converted to USD using the current USD / Euro conversion at the current in-game Silver cost of 1s/1Euro... $8 for the first month and $13 for every month after ( I am rounding up to the nearest dollar ). Month 1 total: 7s Premium: 2s Deed: 5s -- Every month after total: 11s Premium: 10s Deed Upkeep: 1s That's IF someone decides to deed straight away. I really do not understand where you got $40. Also, new players don't typically go straight for multiple premium characters and multiple deeds. I can tell you right now that I spent no more than the monthly premium on Wurm for the first year I played. I still don't spend that much more on a regular basis. If I purchased premium monthly, I would likely spend $15 a month including my deed.

We want to keep the differences minimal, but we are open to changing the steam version in order to address some of the issues that have been raised, and in ways that make it difficult to introduce to ogwo. This is mostly just leeway in case there are differences, but all updates being discussed are applying to both clusters at this point in time

Forum moderation issues can be taken up with me, via PM. I apologise if you've had a slow response recently, but I'm currently temporarily covering the LFM slot. This is not the place to discuss moderation.

https://xkcd.com/1357/

There's been a few posts regarding moderation that we've removed which I'm sure is going to spout all sorts of conspiracy theories, but I feel the need to say something about it. Using these forums to push or antagonise other players, harass developers, or simply accuse staff of removing posts is not on. The majority of posts we've removed have been thinly veiled bashing of the staff, the game or the general playerbase at large, the rest have been removed for referencing thst or continuing the issue. This is not your arena to post whatever you like, accuse us of censorship or whatever. We have very clear rules that are very easy to abide. If you fail to do so it is not on us to gently remind you. We will not tolerate it.

I don't think those bans are as common as you make it seem. If all your friends have been banned for toxic behavior, that probably says a thing or two about your friends.

I also think it's rather toxic to be discussing the removal of other staff.

I have been in discussion with both rolf and samool and rest assured, I am continuing my role as community manager as I always have, ain't nobody else like me! I'd rather this stay on topic though, so I will say to Budda, thank you. We both started out in our roles around the same time, and over the past three years we have accomplished many tasks, seeing some of our biggest dreams coming to wurm, and also conquering lands in dnd, you also convinced me to move to new Zealand and I can honestly call you a very good mate, I will see you at the pub first Friday I'm back as usual, we just won't be talking wurm! Samool, you've been a genius when it comes to the client, and you've really brought wurm forward visually, I look forward to supporting you as you bring wurm forward into steam. Also, yay steam!

Sounds good, I'll be sure to get an alt made on release to claim some land for the day clusters are merged. Cause lets be honest, Im not starting over lol.

We will rage all we want. People have the right to be dissatisfied with your product and to express it. We are not required to nor should be expected to solve the problem for you. You have developers, so develop. Its what we pay for. That's a pretty dismissive attitude you got there and is not okay. All rage aside, it is quite asinine that 3hours of a single, recurring activity is the norm, especially when the rewards are so meager. 3.5 hours would be a pretty nasty raid in WoW and you get the equivalent of Scale Sets of gear here. In comparison here you get what? Rings and shoulder pads? Most of which dont even have a use? That's something that needs tweaking. A dragon slaying takes maybe 5 minutes at the most. Drops tomes and scale. Bones and parts. Time and effort invested is not at par with the rewards.

Ah yes there are no plans to remove the existing client. Also we might make it possible to log on to the existing servers (the accounts you have today) via the steam client as well.

Current servers will remain as is. Steam server would only merge with existing servers if it doesn't go well, otherwise they will remain totally separate No plans to phase out existing launcher

Hmm no not really a revamp. It would mean opening a new server with the same code as before and releasing the game client for free on Steam. If we need more servers because a lot of players come we would start new ones. The existing servers will remain. I don't know the difference between a dream and a plan. Thinking about something becomes a plan I think, especially when you ask around and find out if there are any showstoppers or big problems with the idea. It's not like we need to plan a lot more once we've discussed this thoroughly. Then it's more "should we do it or not" and take the obvious steps.

See, on Cele, if we didn't like you, we wouldn't pick on you!

wohoo im in history!

In Rolfs post about WO on Steam he repeatly talks about pc and linux players. But will the Steam WO be available for mac too?