Trapped In Hunter's Lodge Chaos Server

[MaurizioAM 919]

The idea is that blockades etc are tolerated during a PVP event - trapping raiders, or defending against etc. Not that new funnels are put up every time a GM pops the last set.

If new ones are constantly built just to replace the old ones purely for that reason, then popping the new ones isn't all that will happen.

Speaking of PVP... the main reason we never did anything about the 2 blockades besides the fact we never used those exits is because they helped vs griefers... meaning on numerous occasions we have had to kill single or groups of griefers who were either killing players in and around hunters lodge , so those 2 blocked locations actually helped us by not giving them escape routes... this is the exact reason why in the future something similar will be set up by myself. You all would do whatever needed to deal with griefers so I will do whatever needs to be done to ensure griefing is kept to a minimum.

[Libertha 145]

no starter deed should be blocked at any entrance/exit.

Edited September 1, 2013 by Libertha

[rosedragon 2,282]

Speaking of PVP... the main reason we never did anything about the 2 blockades besides the fact we never used those exits is because they helped vs griefers... meaning on numerous occasions we have had to kill single or groups of griefers who were either killing players in and around hunters lodge , so those 2 blocked locations actually helped us by not giving them escape routes... this is the exact reason why in the future something similar will be set up by myself. You all would do whatever needed to deal with griefers so I will do whatever needs to be done to ensure griefing is kept to a minimum.

you do realize having just one exit also means that when there is no one to help, new players can easily being camped by griefers? While having multiple in quiet a distance could means they have a chance to outrun and go somewhere.

[MaurizioAM 919]

you do realize having just one exit also means that when there is no one to help, new players can easily being camped by griefers? While having multiple in quiet a distance could means they have a chance to outrun and go somewhere.

I do hence why the 2 gates we controlled were always open unless there was reason to lock it. The other 2 we never did anything about since we never used the exits. It just so happens that for 1 day only 3 exits were locked due to griefers messing with the west side which was then locked to be fixed and to be able to deal with the said griefer.

And now most of you who are not even affected by this are putting more effort complaining about it instead of understanding there is no way to controlled who makes a freedom char who's default spawn point is HL.

And 96% of the time we always have at least 1 person on That comes to anyone's aid.

[MaurizioAM 919]

I would like to thank everyone for your concerns about this situation. This is last post about it as everything needed be said has been and for the fact that it has also been handled by a GM.

[Libertha 145]

I'd like to have a GM say that.

[MaurizioAM 919]

Feel free to /support in game and ask till your hearts content.

[Hordern 2,177]

Wasn't this good enough for you Libertha?

Start deeds are not meant to be walled in. There are some cases of pvp around start deeds and the circumstances are a little different. This is not one of those cases. These blocks are being removed and signs posted, hold on a few.

[Alyeska 2,621]

Not with all the yapping about how they would wall it in regardles and why, no.

[somebuilder 0]

I must confess, I would be the insolent one that had made fences.  I am a newer player here and I will take my lickings for it.  A GM previously come to visit me in-game whom already knew I had made the fencing.  

 

As a newer player here, I have had nothing but hard times with griefers since day one.  Upon starting on my first day of Wurm, I had been partied with Texass and his friend, in which we were camped time and time again by these persons.

The second day of playing wurm I had started to make a home, only to find my home being destroyed by two russian players.

The third day of wurm I had relocated futher away from hunter's lodge and was discovered by yet another two players, whom attacked me, taken my personal possessions and I respawned with absolutely nothing.  I said "hey, no problem, adding this @$#% heads to my "kill them later" list".

The first two weeks of Wurm have been annoying with property griefers and pvp body campers.  I understand that this is the most difficult of all servers to play on, but the player population was next to none and at every corner of finding someone to party with, the party members and I were killed, the party members had stopped playing and my friends list kept fluctuating.  Had it not been for Kentric, Reynald, Maurizio, Madnezz, Contego and others, I probably would have quit and gone back to minecraft.  

 

Besides the persons I have listed that assisted me, there was no other persons around to help new players like myself understand the game and get a decent experience.  

 

After I had a handle on the game, the assistance of kind players, I felt like Wurm was something worth staying around for and I purchased a premium subscription.  If these persons did not help me, I wouldn't have purchased that premium and I am sure that many others like me would not have either.  As it stands, every person I have played with prior to meeting the above listed persons, have quit and/or have not logged in to wurm.

 

So tell me, while everybody is so extremely worried about "saving" HL from gates, where is the worries about saving the server's newcomers?  Hopefully I don't get a reply such as, "Well join a kingdom", "create a deed" or any of those sorts.

As it stands, everybody thinks everybody else is a spy, reasonable to think that I suppose being that there is kingdom wars, however, getting into a kingdom that suits my needs could be explained with the journey that I have been questioned whether I am a spy, accused that I am a spy and killed for being considered a spy without any reason at all, I believe it was just because the stronger player could do so.

 

I have subscriptions to eleven games including Wurm and if the griefing doesn't stop, I will gladly take my money elsewhere.   

 

After meeting the above listed persons in my post, I decided to make sign posts directing new players like myself to Fort Freedom in hopes of helping the player base grow by assisting these new players.  Every person I had run into that was near HL had not noticed any of the 3 signs at the north, west and east exits of hunter's lodg which meant those players built houses outside hunter's lodge, they got griefed or body camped and eventually quit.

 

I built two fences at the north and east exits of hunter's lodge to deter players towards a safe haven, yet this still failed and the players continued to quit.  It was not until I closed off the north, east and west exits and directed players out the south exit, in which players found me, found fort freedom and found regular, active, helpful players and stuck around to continue playing. 

 

When I started here in Wurm, there was between ten to fifty players on at all times which I had checked via the /who command and that was during the school break.  Now as we head into the school year for players, I have noticed up to 100 players for my regular play time and even more players have stuck around, built homes, killed monsters and have been taught how-to's or given weapons and armor to help these players get a fair start.

 

A few weeks ago after my arrival to Wurm, nearly 13 players, all new characters, armed with troll clubs had come and started griefing many other settlers in the HL area whom were also new.  Kinjah, kinjay, marshall, alanto are a few I can name but not even close to the amount of players that were victimized, harassed and griefed.

 

So, yes it may have been a mistake to block off 3 of the 4 exits, however, hunter's lodge was a complete mess before those gates and after those gates.  Players bodies piled up probably from /suicide to get to JK or MR territory because the west and south gates were in fact unlocked.   

 

As it stands, I dedicate more of my time helping others than I actually get for myself to skill and be something worth fighting for you guys in the future.  If people had simply opened their eyes and seen the south exit path, I am sure they would not have complained unless they of course were unhappy that they didn't have instant, easy access to grief players whom built housing outside the locked gates.

 

Where is the love, consideration and assistance from JK, MR or BL for freedomers?  The only JK I've seen come to HL is Zors and Davy, in which both were kind and decent.  Nobody else from the PMK's come around, say hi, try to befriend any new players or help new players.   I am helpful and there was a lot of logic behind those gates which were explained to the GM's before anybody even had posted this thread, the gates remained, players still played, players found fort freedom, players had a fighting chance!

 

It was mentioned that having two or one exits is much easier for persons to grief or camp new players.  Fort freedom is expanding over top of hunter's lodge and hunter's lodge will be consumed anyways, and when it is, there will be housing, stability and heart for those who want it.  Players who want to be complete arse hats are welcome to do so, but will be KOS'ed, labelled and never forgotten.  This is a pvp server, a difficult server and the most difficult server, but the game should not be a complete heart ache for new players who are simply trying to find somewhere to build a home, forage/botanize and/or find others to play with.   The best part of any game is the community, and with a good community, high population, games survive.  With a low populace, crap community, consistant griefers and/or campers, the game is less interesting and the game eventually dies just like all others.

 

Much of my post may seem irrelevant, but it is all relevant to my experience and my reason for what I have done, and trust me, I will not stop until new players have a damn place to actually play without arse hat griefers stealing, destroying and camping those players on a regular basis.  Chaos, pvp or not, this is a game, this is supposed to be enjoyable for people and not a complete kill joy, which is why those gates were a temporary "fix" at hoping people would go to fort freedom and find a place they can call home until they wish to move onto bigger things such as JK, MR or BL, which we do recommend to those new players while recommending they be active, get premium and skill up before applying to any of your kingdoms.

 

In any case, I do not read the forums at all, but because I got word of mouth about this topic and it was in fact my fault, I am here to enlighten everybody about why I had done so and accept my punishment as the GM's see fit.  

Apologies for the inconvenience but I had good intentions at heart.

 

Sincerely, Somebuilder of Fort Freedom.

[rosedragon 2,282]

Where is the love, consideration and assistance from JK, MR or BL for freedomers? 

As a HotS I would say that we have talked with Maurizio and he knows how to contact me. Just like you, we are rebuilding. HotS is just reinstated, that should reflect our condition. 

 

And here is my personal comment: Who are you demanding such big word as love? I would care of you if you are newbie on one of the pve servers-- as much as I will answer your questions on GL and help if you are close or offer stuffs I can spare if you would walk down to my place. I still do anyway when I login to my freedom alt... which then I even answer pvp questions from chaos freedomers. I would love you if you were one of newbies I invited to my deed on Independence-- assuming when I still play there, but here you are a different kingdom, you asking too much. 

 

As an observer of the current events on Chaos, did you check the skirmish page? The past weeks MR and JK have been very busy in war. This is just my observation of course.

 

 

It was mentioned that having two or one exits is much easier for persons to grief or camp new players.  

How does it is easier? The way I see it you want to force players to your place instead letting them to experiment the game themselves. More than one exit means if some grievers are camping on one exit, other exit is available to run out from the spawn. To think that everyone got killed and so should join your village is short-minded, some people might just need to run back to theirs own homebase! This is not a way to help, this is a way to monopolize and limiting freedom! The same thing you hate! 

Edited September 3, 2013 by rosedragon

[somebuilder 0]

Rosedragon quotes Somebuilders, "It was mentioned that having two or one exits is much easier for persons to grief or camp new players"

 

Rosedragon writes: How does it is easier? The way I see it you want to force players to your place instead letting them to experiment the game themselves. More than one exit means if some grievers are camping on one exit, other exit is available to run out from the spawn. To think that everyone got killed and so should join your village is short-minded, some people might just need to run back to theirs own homebase! This is not a way to help, this is a way to monopolize and limiting freedom! The same thing you hate!

 

 

I think you are getting confused slightly here.  First of all I originally stated, "It was mentioned that having two or one exits is much easier for persons to grief or camp new players.  Fort freedom is expanding over top of hunter's lodge and hunter's lodge will be consumed anyways, and when it is, there will be housing, stability and heart for those who want it.", hence your reply of "how does it easier..." makes absolutely no sense.  I was simply stating that someone else mentioned that having two or one exits for HL is much easier for persons to grief and/or camp new players followed with what is eventually going to happen.

 

As for forcing other players to "my place", if you actually visited Hunter's Lodge, you would know that my base is directly attached to hunter's lodge and is on the north side of hunter's lodge where there was a gate locked, therefor I would not be sending any players to my "base", rather trying to direct players towards Fort Freedom which is completely the opposite direction of me, but you would know that if you really were involved with hunter's lodge and it's surroundings, wouldn't you?  As you already stated, you are rebuilding hots, which means you don't need to worry about hunter's lodge at all, right?

 

As for players having the ability to "experiment" themselves, they were still able to exit hunter's lodge, travel in any direction with a fifteen second detour and they were never enclosed and trapped, hence said "experimenting" would still be a possible venture.

 

In terms of players dying and "so should join you"

My base is located where the first locked gate was on the north side.  Players die on a frequent basis, I simply talk to each and every person while I am online and offer help from the get go, while not away from the keyboard.  When the offer of assistance is rejected, I always refer kingdoms of JK, MR or BL as reference and explain how to get there, what the dangers are and that fort freedom would help should they not gain acceptance into one of the kingdoms.  

 

Fort Freedom is made and cared for by players who care to help others regardless of which kingdom he or she wishes to join or is friends with persons of said kingdoms.  Before Fort Freedom was established I had spent my own personal time, partying with these newcomers, giving to the newcomers, essentially assisting any newcomer if I was able to, which totalled well over twenty players in my first two weeks.  Do not take a warm heart for something of negative means, portray my errors, goals and desires for something of intentional negative means, which you are implying when you state that I am essentially attempting to, monopolize freedom. 

 

Since my base is directly connected to hunter's lodge and is on hunter's lodge territory, I have more activity at hunter's lodge than most persons of freedom isle.  I see the newcomers, I see the griefing, I see the distraught, I see the despair, I see the agony and frustration on a regular basis.  There is not a single person here than can honestly claim they actively spend more time at hunter's lodge than I currently.

 

I discussed this fencing idea with many players who were griefed, camped and threatened to quit the game or they would make life hell for them.  Not one single player had an objection to this and in fact even offered to help me put this idea into action.  The west and south gates were unlocked and the only time the west side was locked is when some player made a very steep pit outside the west gate resulting in players ultimately falling to their death complaining and leaving.  I had little time to find or dig enough dirt to fill that steep hole, especially with low digging tools and digging skills, hence the west gate that I had made went up and was locked to prevent new players from being griefed by land.  Yes, perhaps this was not something I should have done, however, GM's and dev's took the gates down and put up signs, which was for better results correct?  So I am the bad guy for attempting to be a reactive optimist?   Perhaps I should join the "band wagon" and camp hunter's lodge, kill newcomers, destroy newcomers homes as I am sure that will increase the player populace right? 

 

Nobody was trapped, I was not attempting to monopolize freedom, while others think the gates were a horrid idea the persons directly involved in the abuse did not think this.  

 

I have been nothing but helpful to those around me as was others helpful with me.  Sharing is caring, but sacrificing oneself for another is true loyalty, and I have loyalty to freedom and it's people unless otherwise declared.  I may not be anything of "power" or be revered in Wurm, but my mentality, caring, proactive and reactive means exist and this is how I choose to play and having those temporary gates made an impact!

 

rosedragon "Just like you, we are rebuilding"

 

I am not rebuilding, I am a new player thank you.

 

rosedragon "Who are you demanding such big word as love?"

 

I never implied I am someone of high rank, importance or your god, nor have I demanded love, thank you.  

 

rosedragon "did you check the skirmish page"

 

No, I have not checked said page, nor do I often use forums, as said previously.

 

rosedragon "The past weeks MR and JK have been very busy in war. This is just my observation of course"

Very astute of you.

[EnvyODB 144]

GM's have made their ruling and have told the playerbase what is happening.all blockades have been removed and messages have been posted on the signs at the hunters lodge.