Dominate Made Harder

[Noble 70]

Yes! Another game element to become useless by nerfing it into the ground!

[Mojo 2,095]

Stop using uniques to not die

 

Stop being a little girl and accept the fact that you cant always roll over your opponents.

 

Just because we got good enough to grab a unique you had to go cry to Rolf to get it changed.

 

"Can't beat em, complain to the devs!"

[Redd 4,281]

But it IS overpowered o.O Why cant you look at this from a different point of view? I guess its cuz the troll king is right next to flamma, right?

 

Theres a reason the crown was the only way to dominte them, and there was a reason it only domintates for ~3hours and has a longer recharge timer.

Edited May 28, 2013 by Redd

[Mojo 2,095]

But it IS overpowered o.O Why cant you look at this from a different point of view? I guess its cuz the troll king is right next to flamma, right?

 

Theres a reason the crown was the only way to dominte them, and there was a reason it only domintates for ~3hours and has a longer recharge timer.

Comparing an artifact that never fails that you had to dig up ... To a spell you have to sustain damage that has a low chance to succeed.

Honestly my kingdom has no effect on my opinion, when I was BL people had the same problem with the dragons, just deal with it and kill the dude leading it ....

[Bart 954]

But it IS overpowered o.O Why cant you look at this from a different point of view? I guess its cuz the troll king is right next to flamma, right?

 

Theres a reason the crown was the only way to dominte them, and there was a reason it only domintates for ~3hours and has a longer recharge timer.

 

 

Its as overpowered as all those champ nogumps, which you can get more than one of, I wasn't actually against making domination harder, but with balance, not as soon as one kingdom gets something to combat zombie nogumps and make the playing field more level nerf it into the ground.

 

Like Ezalor said, just kill the person using it, if you tested (which i'm sure no-one did) you'd see that the troll king AoE also hits the person leading it (not sure about allies around) giving you an advantage if you target him.

 

Like i said, i wasnt against the nerf, but (and i know this is going to fall on deaf ears) actually do some research, make a poll, don't just listen to who shouts the loudest

[Che 250]

Its as overpowered as all those champ nogumps, which you can get more than one of, I wasn't actually against making domination harder, but with balance, not as soon as one kingdom gets something to combat zombie nogumps and make the playing field more level nerf it into the ground.

 

Like Ezalor said, just kill the person using it, if you tested (which i'm sure no-one did) you'd see that the troll king AoE also hits the person leading it (not sure about allies around) giving you an advantage if you target him.

 

Like i said, i wasnt against the nerf, but (and i know this is going to fall on deaf ears) actually do some research, make a poll, don't just listen to who shouts the loudest

A champ troll can kill a nogump..

 

And afaik whitelighters has a way to combat zombies... they have a spell for it... BL has no spells to counter dominations.

[Bart 954]

They have a spell with a half hour cooldown, 10 second cast, and short range that requires 70 faith, I wonder how often you'll get a cast off when being thrown, shield bashed, or attacked if you actually try to use it, sure, you can get 1 cast off, now theres only 3 more champ nogumps to deal with.

 

I was actually all for BL having a counter-spell that removed domination, on the same cooldown as Genesis (Thats something called Balance), but aparently its too hard for Rolf to implement a balancing feature, and much easier to put a blindfold on, and swing the nerf bat.

[Che 250]

Being able to kill the troll king in 1 cast is easily abusable.. so this is the only way

[Bart 954]

You didnt read that at all did you?

 

 

They have a spell with a half hour cooldown, 10 second cast, and short range that requires 70 faith, I wonder how often you'll get a cast off when being thrown, shield bashed, or attacked if you actually try to use it, sure, you can get 1 cast off, now theres only 3 more champ nogumps to deal with.

 

I was actually all for BL having a counter-spell that removed domination, on the same cooldown as Genesis (Thats something called Balance), but aparently its too hard for Rolf to implement a balancing feature, and much easier to put a blindfold on, and swing the nerf bat.

 

 

Not insta-killed, removed the domination effect, making it go wild.

 

Genesis removed zombify, causing the zombies to revert to their wild (stiff cold) state, this would do the same, remove the domination, which aside from being balanced, could have hilarious effects

Edited May 28, 2013 by Bart

[Postes 5,282]

Just lot of people who are using Dominated creatures are defending it simply because they're bias, it's why it's so hard to change anything in Wurm for the greater good and fairness.  In retrospect and without bias, MR and BL are both my enemies, and even though our kingdom owns the Crown of Might, and have owned it for months, we never dominated Troll King and used it in PvP, because it's not fair.  We didn't need to go to those levels to achieve kills.  It's very to do, and it's hard for some people when faced with a big advantage to admit it's unfair.  Sad to see, but it's why you have to whine the loudest to get these changes in.  

[Mojo 2,095]

Just lot of people who are using Dominated creatures are defending it simply because they're bias, it's why it's so hard to change anything in Wurm for the greater good and fairness.  In retrospect and without bias, MR and BL are both my enemies, and even though our kingdom owns the Crown of Might, and have owned it for months, we never dominated Troll King and used it in PvP, because it's not fair.  We didn't need to go to those levels to achieve kills.  It's very to do, and it's hard for some people when faced with a big advantage to admit it's unfair.  Sad to see, but it's why you have to whine the loudest to get these changes in.

I rather have champ nogumps to be honest, which we DID use against a ton of people.

Its an advantage of course... You should use it if you get the chance to.

[Postes 5,282]

we had one, we brought it to hotas, but actual fighters the nogumps were in were nearly none.  we brought it usually as a defensive backup, but rarely it got used or needed.  

 

an advantage is like having a supreme longsword, it's fair, balanced, placed in the game and an edge over other players. a unique that is unkillable by less than 10-20 people isn't an advantage, it's just a slaughter 

[Bart 954]

we never dominated Troll King and used it in PvP, because it's not fair.  We didn't need to go to those levels to achieve kills.  It's very to do, and it's hard for some people when faced with a big advantage to admit it's unfair.  Sad to see, but it's why you have to whine the loudest to get these changes in.  

 

But you quite happily PvPed with a Dragon, by your standards, that would be "not fair" but you still did it

Edited May 28, 2013 by Bart

[Postes 5,282]

Nope, I never did.  

[Fawkes 1,567]

Yes, dominating was difficult before. But considering how much it shifts the fight in your favor, that wasn't a bad price to pay. Compared to how much time you spend preparing for fights -- imping armor, shields, weapons, arrows, horse gear, etc -- spending a few hours dominating something that could conceivably kill everyone in the enemy kingdom is a bit much. And if dominating uniques wasn't already in the game, I don't think many people would demand that it be put in. It's just a matter of people fighting tooth and nail to keep every advantage they've been given, regardless of how unbalanced that advantage actually is.

 

With that said, I don't mind putting up with uniques. BL knows how to win fights without requiring sheer muscle. And if people feel like they need a troll king to escort them beyond the perimeter of EC, that's their own prerogative.

[Bart 954]

Sorry what was that? please, repeat that for me

 

Nope, I never did.  

 

[22:28:07] Hellfang tries to cut you!
[22:28:08] You try to hit Hexproof.
[22:28:09] The aged black dragon hatchling moves in to attack you.

Edited May 28, 2013 by Bart

[viruskiller 105]

Should take days if not weeks to dominate it with incredible skills/stats.

can u read what u just said and realize how stupid it sounds, what would be he point of dominating it if it would take that long, honestly if i'd have to spend that long and prolly die 2-3 times to get a dominated unique i'd prefer not to.

  if it would take longer than 4-5 h of constant casting with high skills to dominate unique i'd call of a removal of the ability all together and maybe get mags a buff on the fireheart  spell that is utterly useless now.

[Postes 5,282]

In BL I never owned the Crown, I wasn't in the village (Purgatory) that had it and used it commonly, and there were times even we wouldn't invite Gomeo to come with us roaming because all he would do is ride a dragon.  I can't recall every event or logs just from that, but I never personally set out with anyone using a dragon, but they may of met us somewhere most likely.  

 

Go search the epicserv1 twitter for me dominating any dragon, you will find 1 time, and we killed it 20 minutes afterwards.  We never used it as Mongols because I never allowed anyone to use it, and headed up killing literally all the dragons left on the server.  

Edited May 28, 2013 by Postes

[vill 248]

 

 

• Many players agreed that the dominate spell was overpowered against uniques, so it is now a lot harder to use against thos

 

Does it change anything for game play??   I don't think so:

One more hour of Dominate tries and the Unique creature will be dominated sooner or later,

just higher channeling skill gain nothing more....

Edited May 28, 2013 by vill

[BrQQQ 2,854]

It's funny how some people try to act like they're too good to use uniques because "it's not fair", but were completely fine with using (champion) nogumps, not realizing those were more effective in combat. Though I think that just proves the whole "some people are huge hypocrites" point over and over, which only makes them look bad anyways

[Postes 5,282]

very subtle, and equally stupid but ive grown to that since converting and becoming extremely bitter in your deaths

[MetalDragon 1,630]

That's a shame, I thought people who managed to dominate a unique without the crown should deserve the use of it. I have attempted to dominate Kykclops's previously and after many attempts never succeeding, 37 soul str/depth 65+ channelling. Could Rolf give some numbers on "how much more difficult" it is?

[SmeJack 5,806]

http://forum.wurmonline.com/index.php?/topic/81650-valrei-creatures-epic/

 

Remove it all, doming uniques without the crown too, the whole lot

 

As someone who got good enough to dom the troll king I can tell you it certainly is not easy but more importantly I would rather stand in front of him than a nogump any day of the week. So when I can have a unique pet that hits like a girl people start getting upset, nevermind they can have as many nogumps as they do priests. I could not care less about having this nerfed into the ground because I have enjoyed the tears so much, was the only reason to keep trying to be honest.

 

Now do the right thing and put a stop to velrei creatures being used.

[Postes 5,282]

to people like realize maybe its not just about them, maybe it has also to do with people putting a kyklops in strongbox? 

 

doesnt seem like many are aware of that case, not everyone abuses it, but some do and the potential for griefing with such abilities is why it needs nerfing, not for how it is now.  there are such things as precautionary nerfs, just having the capability to do such powers is a problem, while it may not be abused currently, it very well could and has been on Serenity 

Edited May 28, 2013 by Postes

[BrQQQ 2,854]

very subtle, and equally stupid but ive grown to that since converting and becoming extremely bitter in your deaths

ahh the even more subtle 'you mad', the stuff people try to troll with when they are called out on something