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#81 bwg

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 09:48 AM

Use of the 'G' keys on a G series keyboard, mouse, or other similar product is permitted to send multiple actions as a QUEUE, provided that there is absolutely no delay between the actions sent.


Based on the above information the following command is legal, is this correct spellcast?

I'm sending multiple actions to my queue and there is no delay. The change in the rules is non-specific about whether or not the action has to be the same one.

If this is in fact permitted, I'll be creating macros to chopx4 minex4, digx4, imp/repair/imp/repair -- all to ONE key each on my G-keys.


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Edited by bwg, 10 March 2013 - 09:48 AM.

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 06:42 PM

that is fine bwg, as long as you dont use the option to add delay between the characters or a repeat.

i use U and I for repair / Imp, (why M? its so far from I?) and i can tap iuiui fast enough that all get sent in the same second of timestamp in event window, so there isnt any real difference with using one of the G keys to do the same other than I burn more calories my way.

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 08:01 PM

(why M? its so far from I?)


Because the keys on the right side of my keyboard are mapped randomly - they're all re-assigned to G keys. So repair is G7 and improve is G8. However, with this new rule G7 will be improve, repair, improve, repair!

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 08:07 PM

Oh - also, would this be permitted.

" 4 ENTER "

So when I drag from a BSB I can hit a G key to enter 4 into the # box and hit enter, instead of me having to type 4 and press enter? Again, with no delay.

Since this value cannot be changed in the settings (only shift-drag can be changed) it would be helpful to be able to only take a set number of items at a time.
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Posted 11 March 2013 - 12:56 AM

OK so what about people who was banned for using a Logitech type keyboard? with keys similar to G keys? since the rules changed? do they get unbanned accounts / apologies now? Maybe free month of premium or two to reimburse their loss?
as a friend of mine lost a deed+ his priest account recently due to using a gaming keyboard.
He would use 1 key mapped as P-(pray) hit it, go back to his 2 other accounts and play, then come back and hit the button again. Thus ignoring that account except to pray, (it never ate/drank/etc unless he wasnt playing his other 2 accounts which was rare)

I also have a gaming keyboard, have had it since Logitech came out with G15 (so its the blue lit keys with movable monochrome LCD)
I recently got the Logitech G930 headphones with 3 G keys.. down the road I might get the Logitech mouse with G keys (dunno yet since current Logitech M mouse is so nice still)

But unlike him,I only play one account, im not online much.. (infact in total I got under 65days of gameplay over last year..)
while he was online often, until ban, and gots multiple accounts.. which he is not considering not renewing any of his accounts (along with few other friends of mine with multi accounts) because the ban so disheartened him (along with some other issues)

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 02:59 AM

the G key use as permitted under the new rule would not result in a player being banned for macro use, so if your friend was banned then he was not using the keyboard in the described manner.

we have not actually changed how we define, detect, or punish a macro within the team, only the wording of the rule itself.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 03:21 AM

Well I didnt say which friend, so you dont know the case im sure.
But I do know this is how he used his gaming keyboard. so yes this is why he was banned.

And unlike many others who say "my friend" I really do mean a friend :P and if any GM wants info - I can provide it. but since I passed this onto my friend im sure he will be doing his own attempts to return his character.
Which was banned 1-2 months before this rule changed.

I have had 2 friends banned for "macro" use. One proved he was just using a Keybind and tapping the button to que up actions, then ignored that char. so he was unbanned.
but my other friend was using a hardware keyboard to do similar to Logitech G keys (but not logitech brand) but end result was same. it was a keybind remap feature to a different type gaming keyboard.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 05:00 AM

it doesnt matter which case.

Using a gaming keyboard in the manner specified in the rule would not have resulted in a ban at any time in the past several years.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 11:34 AM

How about mouse function macros (notice the 'mouse function' tab in the screenshot above) ?
How do I queue DPS ?

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 11:38 AM

How about mouse function macros (notice the 'mouse function' tab in the screenshot above) ?


Same rule applies.

Quote: Use of the 'G' keys on a G series keyboard, mouse, or other similar product is permitted to send multiple actions as a QUEUE, provided that there is absolutely no delay between the actions sent.
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Posted 11 March 2013 - 12:03 PM

Same rule applies.

Quote: Use of the 'G' keys on a G series keyboard, mouse, or other similar product is permitted to send multiple actions as a QUEUE, provided that there is absolutely no delay between the actions sent.


Wouldn't a mouse action imply a delay due to movement ? or does the program just let you enter coordinates for a click or w/e (i doesn't has fancy keyboard)

Edited by Elen, 11 March 2013 - 12:04 PM.

How do I queue DPS ?

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 12:04 PM

Elen was asking about the other way round: binding regualr mouse functions to a G key.

I'd say you can bind the right klick or the scrollwheel, but if you bind any mouse movement you can get in trouble.
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Posted 11 March 2013 - 12:36 PM

I don't see how re-binding a key to any other key, mouse included, would give any unfair advantage over other players so (I'm no GM...) I don't see how it could be considered illegal.

The mouse actions on the Logitech control panel allow Gkey to be assigned to mouse buttons, not mouse movement. However, I can't see how in Wurm mouse clicks can be used to an unfair advantage.

e.g. Bind G4 to left click, right click, mouse3 click. How that would ever be helpful in Wurm I have no idea.

But if it was used to do [Left] [Wait 3 seconds while you move your mouse] [Left] [Wait 3] [Left], then that immediately breaks the rule defined as no delays.
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