Name and Shame : Willieman : stole goblin leader "for JK" - Necroedarkslayer mocked us for it

[Davih 1,340]

1 minute ago, Aeryck said:

 

The first hunt I went to it was made clear that, should you win a tome, you get 1 of 3 uses. I made sure that I understood how that worked before I went to my next hunt. It's like winning a sports car in a raffle and being upset that you have to pay the taxes (in the US at least). You need to understand how the item works ahead of time.

That thing is like the 5% of the whole point of this thread, i am not really complaining for that, even if that wasn't made clear as anything else.

[Aeryck 862]

Not trying to invalidate your feelings, and I am sure the wound is pretty fresh at the moment, but let me address your tl;dr because I honestly did not read it all.

 

1 hour ago, Davih said:

TL_DR : Willieman ninja-deeded the Goblin Leader we found.

 

 

Sadly, first come first served  Gotta be ready with Shaker Orb, Deed Stake, Silver, bait alt, etc.

 

1 hour ago, Davih said:

Then he said that we would still get the loot, then he said that we will only get one piece of the loot, ignored all my messages, then they didn't even give us a single piece of the loot because "we asked for a too valuable one",

 

No idea why he would tell you that you get all the loot. This was either lying or stupidity on his part, sorry about that . If he said "one item" then he should have explained that 1 charge counted as that item. Deciding to give nothing because of some argument sounds pretty shady to me.

 

1 hour ago, Davih said:

Necroedarkslayer mocked me in top of that for being greedy, we received nothing, nobody event say thank you, they took all the credit for the event  and i was assured that nothing against the rules was made(i know that aswell) and nobody will care.

 

I have seen people complain about Necroe and I have personally dealt with him and found him to be very fair. I won a Rare Bone at a public JK slaying so obviously different people have had different experiences with them. I think it's untrue that Necroe "cant" do anything about it, but I don't know that he should. Like most of the misunderstandings with Uniques, this sounds like a misunderstanding that ended poorly because people are people and people make mistakes. I suggest everyone apologize and make up, and that Will or whoever give what was originally promised. Next time you try to capture a unique be prepared and clear about the rules.

[Davih 1,340]

I think i'll remove the TL_DR, most of people are commenting on just that.

Aeryck, the things haven't gone exactly like that, they went far worse, but i appreciate your words and toughts anyway.

Edited September 21, 2016 by Davih

[Oreo 5,793]

1 hour ago, bdew said:

 

I see people that stole a unique, try to downplay their own misdeeds with some nonsense about tomes.

Hey look at this, it helps when you can read the official OP post.. :-D

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

 

 

[Davih 1,340]

Just now, Oreo said:

Hey look at this, it helps when you can read the official OP post.. :-D

 

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I fail to get your point, but i'm ready to bet you didn't read anything as well (also the link to that thread is inside my thead too : D )

[Oreo 5,793]

Nah I didn't, really, all I saw was that you thought a Tome was something that you can claim as a whole from a slaying.

Which is laughable.

 

Also, a JK PvE Leader, lol really?

Come on, that's just sad and really funny.

[Kswords 461]

Well... what would've happened if there was no tome? There wouldn't be so much drama involved.

Seriously, if you had just set up some time to get the charge instead of making a big deal out of it this problem wouldn't exist.

Unfortunately it was explained in local that she was to get ONE CHARGE, but she wanted to claim the whole book to herself.

I'm sure JK would have been happy to escort you to Chaos to get the tome, but instead you Freedomers are too wary of going over to a PvP server thinking "It's a trap!". Instead you made a big fuss and pointed fingers at people. The one that should be shamed is you for making this thread.

 

Hell, we had someone try and steal the book right from under everyone! Why didn't he/she get a name/shame for attemptive thievery?

 

In my honest opinion, I'd have probably taken the bone if I was too afraid to go to Chaos. It'd be a good bit of silver in my pocket or a new rare tool in my hands.

Edited September 21, 2016 by Kswords

[Emoo 4,357]

TIL that Nerco is elected PvP leader of JK....smh.

 

 

[necroe 696]

I wish people would link the whole convo...

I specifically told him I said that because he asked someone in JK ,who the leader of JK pve is

Called trolling someone whom is trashing on people I know.

Anyways offered his GF the one who found the goblin something to be a nice guy, but Davih said HE wont take charity or something along those lines.

Have fun with the name and shame thread.

 

Edited September 21, 2016 by necroe

[Gofs 280]

Oki, i jsut clam down, so now trying to understand, if all happend fair, than i need to understand why it's so honest to make deed and controll loot for JK? what invistation of JK in that situation?

found goblin? - looks like "no", i think all will agree..
oki maby you cast strongwall to lock goblin? - it was do actionaly me, and i have no idea abut rest JK will make deed. 
So what left? 
What JK was done so useful to contoll loot? was in local couse i tell coordinates? nice achivment! than probably was should do publick roll not private for kingdom? 
Please dont troll me, im just a bit stupid, so help me please to understand?

P.S. asnwers like "#deeditorloseit" - are not wellcome, i was tell coordinates, so with out of that you will just sit at your deed and attach bricks to walls of house...

Edited September 21, 2016 by Gofs

[Luttuosa 405]

I know there will be grammatical errors, but I'll try to explain my point of view.

 

Yes, I know the "deed it or loose it" motto, thanks; and I know too that the sun is yellow, if someone is thinking to remind me that too.

 

A couple of people told me I should be happy and fair about how things went, but i don't feel like this. What I have seen is a person, Willieman, taking advantage about a new situation for me. Probably most of you guys went to many unique hunts, probably someone of you found one and you would have been more preparated than me. I just went to a unique event, a dragon, and this was the first unique I've ever found. 

If you guys were new players and find yourself a nice spot where you want to deed, if it is your first time and call someone to help you and the one you call deed right where you wanted deed, is this fair? I don't think so; not against the rules, but surely not fair. 

"Dear new hunter Luttuosa, you spent your time to find this unique, and now I deed it and decide everything about it, isn't it fun and fair?". Probably you must have a very weird concept about what is fun and fair. 

 

Anyway he deeded, and told me he wanted steal the loot, and he did it becouse I was afk. Now it is very hard for me to understand how he just realize I was afk becouse I just wrote on chat the second before he deeded. 

 

So, what did he told me?

[20:12:58] <Luttuosa> willie I was deeding, why do you deed?
[20:15:38] <Willieman> Looked like you were strugling and then you went afk
[20:16:54] <Luttuosa> I wasn't afk, I was asking for a deedstake and you deeded
[20:17:00] <Willieman> You will still get loot
[20:17:06] <Willieman> not stealing the kill
[20:18:09] <Luttuosa> ok, i was going to share a part with you guys for your help anyway
[20:18:46] <Willieman> Ok but we cant do it on sunday only someone will come and steal this to many people know its here
[20:19:16] <Luttuosa> what do you mean with taking this for JK?
[20:20:32] <Willieman> Get the JK over to help kill this thing we gonna need fighters
[20:20:47] <Willieman> we gonna kill it in about 2 or 3 hours
[20:24:55] <Luttuosa> Why JK and not make it public for everyone?
[20:25:08] <Luttuosa> and what is roll for rest and part for us? i don't understand
[20:26:53] <Willieman> Ok so basically you are garenteed 1 item that drops because you found it then the main fighters get to role on the other things and then the public people get the blood

The day after, the day of the slay, I wrote to willieman.

[18:40:13] <Luttuosa> hello willie
[18:41:29] <Luttuosa> will I be the first to chose the item?
[18:41:46] <Willieman> You will coose first

 

The goblin die and it drops a black tome; meanwhile it is butchered I search it on the wiki, becouse i never heard nothing about tomes, and I find this (this is the wiki description of the black tome):

 

 

Spoiler

Description

The black leather covers will reveal the secrets of high magic for the one who dares open them.

Usage

• Spell granted(Male): Summon Skeletons (Summons a group of skeletons)
• Spell granted(Female): Summon Wraith (Summons a Wraith)
• Resistance: Disease 15% (Decreases disease damage taken by 15%)
• Weakness: Water 10% (Increases water damage taken by 10%)

Item Use Requirements

You need to be standing in a 3x3 flat area in order to use this.
You need to be in the vicinity of a holy altar.

Can be used at any altar in a 3x3 flat area.

 

I read it, and the wiki say it is for the one who open it and that is an item.
So I waited for the butchering, hel told me what the goblin had, I looked for them on wiki and than I chose the black tome.(I would like to underline that: until it drops the tome, he always told me i could took an item and never told me "if it's a tome you can have just a charge", he alway told me about an item, and that what I have read a tome is: an item).

I felt like I found a crown and quickly he changed his mind in something like "Oh, I didn't tell you? Of this item you can take only a gem!", and I was like "what :S?".

Anyway that's why he wanted not give it to me:

[20:10:53] <Willieman> Can't give you the whole tome because you probably just gonna sell it. You can get a charge or you can take something else

So he turned into my dad when I was 6 years old "I don't give you the money or you will spend all of it for stickers".

So, basically at the end my and my friend had one charge and he took two charges, the rare bone, the hat and the skull toot. 
Again, is this fun and fair? I really don't think so.

Now I really hope that this guy will at least leave my charge in the tome and bring it to me on a freedom server, becouse I don't think I am asking the universe and I am really upset about all this story and this guy and I want to close this "game chapter" really soon.

 

 

I don't know why the last part of this message has a white background, but it seems like i can settle it, so... look at it like it has no background color.

Edited September 21, 2016 by Luttuosa
Grammar corrections

[Cecci 1,609]

Really ugly.

Pvp people should have enough uniques on their own server.

 

On Deli we do what we can to prevent this and we do take our uniques back also when something like the described happens.

 

Show some style, JK.

 

[bdew 2,462]

This thread is just ridiculous. A bunch of people attacking the OP, arguing a side point (about tome) and completely failing to address a stolen unique. Somehow i feel most of them connected to the guilty party.

 

Name and shame indeed, and the only one you guys are shaming here is yourself, so congrats... i guess.

[rixk 830]

Kinda funny, how the finder of the goblin is now being shown as "greedy". While JK simply took advantage of her.. motivated by greed.

[Egard 3,359]

I don't know why you are all upset, they alteast made a post and all. If Willie wanted to steal it he could have had it killed the minute he dropped the deed. What I think really happen here was poor communication both parties English does not seem to be their first language (Willie and Lutt). There are countless unique slayings that happen in private and people don't even get a chance for potions heck I did one not even last week on Xanadu. Be grateful for what you got and move on. Next time you find a unique take all preventive measures yourself. If you were to make a name and shame thread for everyone that's allegedly stolen uniques this board would have hundreds of threads like this one. 

 

 

typical deed it or lose it situation.

 

 

Edited September 21, 2016 by Egard

[SeeD 117]

Strikes me that the issue that occurred here is not realising that tome charges were considered individual items.

 

It's always been this way when dealing with unique loot, but perhaps both sides could have acted better.

 

I can only hope JK resolves this situation to luttuosas satisfaction, rather than the surprising amount of JKers attacking the OP for not understanding it was 1 charge.

[bdew 2,462]

16 minutes ago, SeeD said:

Strikes me that the issue that occurred here is not realising that tome charges were considered individual items.

 

Strikes me like you didn't read the OP or anything in this thread.

 

18 minutes ago, Egard said:

Be grateful for what you got and move on.

 

Yes, be grateful that you got stolen from. And then attacked on the forum and called greedy. Because apparently poor communication. /facepalm

[Niki 2,278]

7 hours ago, Davih said:

[21:32:11] <Necroedarkslayer> I was elected as PVE leader today since we seemed to need one, and woah mate wasnt even there

Doom, rip JK. Also not surprised by this, you can't trust a kingdom with a unique. You lost a very valuable item, smart that you didn't take there offer, that would of been a trap obviously.

 

As always Chaos Kingdom PR is abysmal in Wurm.

 

Now to the point, the fact is this doesn't reflect well on you nor them, everything they did was legal sadly. This game is chaotic by nature and kind of lawless, I generally don't trust very many people for good reason. As you can see people are just going to attack you on the forums as this is where the trolls live.

 

Sorry but lesson learned hopefully,  topics like this generally never fix the unique hunts community. It's terrible, the system needs revision badly, maybe one day.

 

 

Edited September 21, 2016 by Niki

[Wargasm 1,926]

Every unique fight I've ever seen on Freedom OR Chaos has always been the same.  No one person walks away with all three charges of a valrei item.  If you get a charge, you are excluded from rolls on the lesser items like skull, bone, etc.  That's just how uniques are hosted.  That was how my first unique hosting was handled, and I let someone else do the deeding, trapping, killing, distributing etc because I didn't have a clue at the time.

 

And before people look at the JK logo under my name and say "oh well of course you side with them, you're in JK!", feel free to ask the good citizens of Release how I hosted a goblin leader that dropped the most sacred sorcery item, Smoke of Sol, and didn't keep a charge for myself, or even for my kingdom. 

 

Ask anyone in this list of people.

 

If the OP didn't even know what a black tome is, he probably has no business hosting a unique kill in the first place.  It is very clear from your PM's to both Willie and Necroe that you were driven by nothing more than greed, so stop making it sound like you wanted to host it for the good of the community.  You'd have kept a charge either way, whether you played your cards right and Willie gave you a charge, or you hosted it yourself.  If you hosted it yourself, and kept all three charges, I'm sure this thread would be named in your honor.

 

Fact of the matter is, Tomes have three charges.  You give the tome to a person, they use it on a 3x3 flat surface near an altar (doesn't have to be on Chaos, dunno why he told you that), hand it to the next person and they use it, and with 1 charge left they'd have given it to you.

 

Willie did a good thing by announcing the fight so that people could show up for mining potion bloods, it's not like we sailed a knarr of guys over from Chaos and killed it on the spot with 12 people.  We offered you a charge, that wasn't good enough, and you tried to drag our kingdom through the mud via this forum post.... so instead you get nothing.

[bdew 2,462]

1 minute ago, Wargasm said:

you were driven by nothing more than greed

 

That's why he deeded over a unique that someone else found... oh wait, no he didn't, JK guys did. So who's greedy again?

[Wargasm 1,926]

3 minutes ago, bdew said:

 

That's why he deeded over a unique that someone else found... oh wait, no he didn't, JK guys did. So who's greedy again?

 

The OP, who clearly doesn't understand how unique loot works.

[Niki 2,278]

2 minutes ago, Wargasm said:

ou give the tome to a person, they use it on a 3x3 flat surface near an altar (doesn't have to be on Chaos, dunno why he told you that), hand it to the next person and they use it, and with 1 charge left they'd have given it to you.

It's not like chaos players haven't been "luring" players a lot lately... Also this whole thread has turned into semantics about him wanting the full tome, when it's about him getting the unique totally ripped off.

 

Also that list, come on 95% of those players are JK. This guy just got bamboozled by JK bullies, as always the loyalists setting a fine example of your kingdom. 

[Wargasm 1,926]

What list?  The one from the bdew twitter feed?

 

• Atheline ( tweet )
• Explora ( tweet )
• Ghuljan ( tweet )
• Ladygodiva ( tweet )
• Pepejot ( tweet )
• Spyte ( tweet )

 

I've never seen any of these players on Chaos, so how are they in JK?

 

[zigozag 918]

@Luttuosa @Davih @Gofs

So what did Willie do to help penning the goblin apart from dropping a deed?

[Niki 2,278]

Just now, Wargasm said:

What list?  The one from the bdew twitter feed?

 

• Atheline ( tweet )
• Explora ( tweet )
• Ghuljan ( tweet )
• Ladygodiva ( tweet )
• Pepejot ( tweet )
• Spyte ( tweet )

 

I've never seen any of these players on Chaos, so how are they in JK?

 

That's the unique hunter clique group, I did say 95% however, I'll be reasonable and say 75%.

 

Seriously though, what good does this do? It's a bad to have the community dislike chaos even more. Well first mistake that. Just make it right by him and prove that JK isn't a villain to the community. I know a good amount of you don't want people to think less of you. I know you want to deep down.