Posted May 22, 2015 Posting here as this isn't a client or server bug per say.Of course please feel free to move as needed. New rowboat model has severely impacted our ability to dredge effectively.We used to be able to drag our rowboats and look down to see the tiles below.This allowed us to line up our boats so we could ensure we were dredging the correct tile corner.Now it's a complete guessing game as we can't see below our rowboats while dragging them. And just because I try to never bring up an issue without some form of a suggestion towards its resolution...Could the point of dragging be changed that would place us further in front of our rowboats? That would allow us to see the tiles below.It would be an added benefit if the point of dragging was exactly 1 tile away from where the passenger would embark. Or something relative to that. 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 22, 2015 Oooo...never thought about that since I have not had a need to dredge lately. But yeah, good catch. It certainly does make dredging much harder than it should be for no good reason. Kudos Tuanta. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 22, 2015 Yes both sailboat and rowboat are much harder to dredge with Placement is a challenge. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 22, 2015 I've done quite a bit of dredging in a rowboat since the change. Just float down one edge and then line up with the tile edge coming off the point you're trying to dredge to either side. It really isn't all that difficult. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 23, 2015 (edited) I've done quite a bit of dredging in a rowboat since the change. Just float down one edge and then line up with the tile edge coming off the point you're trying to dredge to either side. It really isn't all that difficult. Are you dredging in deep water? Before: We could see the tiles below while dragging. Now, this: (That black void is my face firmly planted on the bottom of my rowboat.) Here's another view while commanding and looking over the side: (The closest tile I can view is 4 or 5 tiles away.) Please post a screenshot if you believe I am doing something wrong. Edited May 23, 2015 by Tuanta Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 23, 2015 The point is, it's become more difficult to dredge properly when there was no reason to make it so. It is just one more thing in a huge pile of...well... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 23, 2015 Best way to judge is the position of one's feet, but yes it's trickier to zero in now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 23, 2015 (edited) I've been dredging the last couple days in a row boat and haven't had a problem... But then again I've dug and dredged for years so I simply sail my rowboat over the area and know exactly when to moor. Edited May 23, 2015 by Nomadikhan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 23, 2015 I've been dredging a lot in the new model sailboat. It's as easy as before, drag it, look for the corner your heading for, swim to the corner, stop dragging and jump on as passenger. That way your always above where you want to dredge. And if you're in doubt whether you have been swimming far enough, board as passenger then jump in the water again, it's only after the sailboat have moved there is an issue looking beneath, i haven't tried a rowboat but it might be the same situation there. Maybe have a knarr parked next to it in case you need to dredge a lot, knarr's can be reached from afar Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 23, 2015 I never aligned my boat that way, I always used the tile borders near me to do that. Of course I think better sight is always a good idea. Especially for people that do it this way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 23, 2015 I've been dredging a lot in the new model sailboat. It's as easy as before, drag it, look for the corner your heading for, swim to the corner, stop dragging and jump on as passenger. That way your always above where you want to dredge. And if you're in doubt whether you have been swimming far enough, board as passenger then jump in the water again, it's only after the sailboat have moved there is an issue looking beneath, i haven't tried a rowboat but it might be the same situation there. Maybe have a knarr parked next to it in case you need to dredge a lot, knarr's can be reached from afar Screenshot? How can you see while dragging? Yes, knarrs or any ship with crates parked nearby is imperative when performing large dredging jobs. Multiple dredges setup on your keyboard and a button bound to dredge are also very handy. (1, dredge, dredge, 2, dredge, dredge, 3, dredge, dredge) Again, I've played for many years and very experienced with dredging. (My deed's name is Waterdeep for god's sake) The issue is the new boat/ship models have negatively affected our ability to dredge compared to what it was before the update. Dredging at -7 to -80 depth = eh not that big of a deal. I can manage not being able to see directly under the boat Dredging at -80 to -200 or more is a serious PITA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 24, 2015 Are you dredging in deep water? Yeah, no. I was dredging at ~30 depth. When you're talking deep water, I'm curious why it matters where you're dredging? I was dredging to first make the area under my next bridge passable to large boats and then to remove the remainder of the old land bridge that I was replacing. Neither one required much depth, just enough for large boats to pass. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 24, 2015 It does take practice.... to be honest I'd barely noticed the change in difficulty til it was mentioned here. Depending on depth, looking at your feet and nearest tile borders does the trick (namely when it switches from "up" to "down" and viceversa). Deeper water yeah it's a bit nastier, takes getting used to visually estimating depth and thus how many tiles away what you're seeing over the boat's edge really is. Let's just say getting a drink of coastal water on a knarr in a gale without mooring obeys the same principles. .... Arr. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 24, 2015 I've done quite a bit of dredging the last few months. Working down to depths of 100 digs or more. I haven't noticed it becoming more difficult with the new rowboat but my method may not be yours. I don't find it too hard to line up on a tile border and drift into position then moor quickly when I'm over my dig site. I'm all for a change to make dredging easier. Any suggestions for allowing the dredge to hold more dirt, 4 would be good, would get a +1 from me. Or allowing rafts to be towed like leading horses, yes please. If the devs see fit to improve the boat models and textures, then I'm all for that too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites