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Damn, how could I be so naive as to believe that the enemy has a red outline on mouseover? I'm sorry, all of you are correct; within the letter of the wurm laws, these two were 'allowed' to steal several hota statues, slaughter several geared horses to take the gear, steal an SMC and quite a bit of highly casted tools and weapons. Wait, it wasn't stealing, since it's 'all right'. Obviously since it's a pvp server, absolutely no one you don't know in real life (and maybe some of those) are to be trusted and it's a dog eat dog world. It's always the person that loses items in this sort of thing that is entirely at fault, not the person that faked being a new and/or returning player, even partly gained a bit of trust from a kingdom and proceeds to clean them out. Nah, it's not his fault, it's the spirit of PVP right? No, it isn't. Every time I see things like this happen and get blown off as "meh, their fault, perms issues, don't trust people, etc" it makes my faith in mankind shrivel just that little bit more. And trust me, I've seen the full effects of mankind not liking one another, in a combat zone. I love wurm for the unique way that the game gives me to play, and sometimes when I get complacent and enjoy the community of Wurm, another nasty snake rears its head up and does something asshattery, and gets complimented by the pvp crowd for a well played ruse. Granted, many of the other pvpers have agreed that it was a shit thing to do, but most likely to the non pvp side, they tend to lump us pvpers into one mob of nasty, toxic community. And in many ways they're right. All you have to do is look at threads exactly like this one.

As a kingdom, we know and understand the staff's position in the matter. Some of us agree while some of us don't, but as a kingdom we accept it. We know no rules were broken and no action will be taken. As much as we would like assistance in the matter we realize its not the staff's fault. It is our fault for trusting. This thread is not about resolution. We are not asking for action nor are we expecting any. This thread is to let the community know what kind of person this man is and what to expect, and for them to know they are buying stolen goods if they buy from him. Contrary to popular belief, the Chaos community cares. We are not just Chaos players, we are Wurmians. Things will take their course. We will recover. We will imp more plate, make more horse gear, win more hotas. We will replace what was lost and go on. We will continue to have fun with our friends in TC, DD, Ebo, JK and WU. But we wont forget this. Things will change in Pandas so this dont happen again.

Sorry but this kind of behaviour is really bad for new players trying to get into kingdoms :/ Kingdoms will just stop trusting new players if this kind of behaviour becomes acceptable. I'm all for looting and raiding in a pvp setting but pretending to be a new kingdom member and gaining their trust and respect just so you can rob them? That's not pvp. That's a really low and disgusting move all because the players involved don't have the balls to go out and fight panda on the field or raid them like the game intended.

COD all these items to Pedro for the prices listed. I will be returning the items to the people you took it from.

It's no different then accepting a new villager to your deed with them pretending to be a new/returning player that needs help. Then they spend time gaining your trust/friendship and then it's all an eleborate plan to wait until the time is right and steal everything not nailed down. Any freedomers here thinking this is just a pvp problem - essentially he's joined a village just to rob it blind. Could happen on freedom just as easily.

Unfortunately GMs still support entering a kingdom on the PvP servers with the pure intent of just stealing items as a core game style. Until this changes, I see little chance of the PvP community growing. It only makes existing communities more suspicious of new players, which ultimately will lead to less people getting help, and playing the game.

I agree that intra-kingdom problems should not happen. For two main reasons: 1. It's just a ###### move. You're supposed to be part of the team. If you can't trust your teammates then who can you trust? 2. The second point follows the first. If you can't really build a cohesive kingdom then this creates artificial barriers to the pvp scene. New players can't join the scene because everyone is too afraid of them joining. Kingdoms can't really grow because vetting people is just an impossible task. Honestly, even this intra-alliance stuff on PvE servers should be disallowed, too. For clear thefts (as decided by a GM or even multiple GMs), the goods should be returned and the thieves punished accordingly. This "it's a sandbox" thing isn't an excuse to let these toxic people get away their crimes.

We will remember this. Your rep just dropped to the ground.

When you give humanity a chance to hide behind a veil, humanity will do what it pleases or whatever it benefits them regardless of how it is seen by others. It takes a lot of morals for someone to not take advantage of somebody else, especially when you know you can get away with it. Maybe their motives were never to make friends.. or build an actual community at all. Obviously saying it's your fault does not soothe the problem at all or even gets anywhere near, and in a position where you're now, you just want to vent and get support from others that feel the same way about the subject. It is a hard lesson we all learn and go through multiple times in the real world and in the virtual world. What is most scary to me is.. regardless of how together in harmony we all become... there is always going to be a few looking to destroy what was created with love and care just because they can.

I don't feel Enki is needed in this situation. It is a sandbox game, unless he abused game mechanics to steal the items then yeah GM's should be involved. This doesn't mean I stand by what he did at all, but if he obtained these items without abusing bugs or an exploit he shouldn't be punished by the GM's. Like I said before it's a sandbox game so you can do whatever you like inside the official rules.

Please keep your PvE vs PvP drivel out of this thread.

How to set up an auction: Step one - Start a new topic in the Auction section of the forum. Step two - Fill in the title and tags (usually the type of item and rarity is enough for tags) Step three - Add a timer and bidding guidelines For the timer, you want to click here The tool is very simple, pick the time you want your auction to last and click on create a timer. Step Three (Continued) - After you click on create a timer, this is what will pop up below (the time is up to you to choose, you're not obligated to set it up for 7 days this is only used for the tutorial) Step four - Flavor text, and bidding instructions ( you want to be as clear as day when you add bidding instructions to avoid confusion or bid withdraws) This layout is the most optimal, You can go ahead and copy this if you feel the need to, and place the timers' BBCODE below it (leave a space for less clutter) Starting Bid/Reserve: Min Increase: Snipe Protection: Buyout: This picture is an example of what your listing should look like. Congratulations on creating your first auction Few acronyms to understand when watching the market: WTB - Want to Buy WTS - Want to Sell WTT - Want to Trade WTA - Want to Auction OBO - Or Best Offer/Or Better Offer Special thanks to NESGamepro and his associates for creating the wonderful tool for us, original thread here

a replacement poll was opened for Xanadu and will be added to the existing poll

One missclick or bug and your tile is borked and your OCD triggered. Would be great if we could apply concrete to ceilings to drop the height.

Just incase the dev team are not already aware of this request... Please please please remove the BL taming nerf ;-; Pretty much everyone I'vespoken too on Chaos wants it gone and that's not just the guys in Dreadnaught Dynasty. We need like 10 extra taming levels to be able to ride hellhorses compared to any WL kingdom. I'm not quite sure why or what this balances? Please, would love to see it removed so the kingdoms can be fair in terms of taming and being able to ride hell horses.

Hello, I am here to warn you not to buy from this person or his friend Echo. I put my trust, not knowing his rep, in my kingdom on chaos. He learned when the best time to do his deed was. He stole so much stuff from us. 5 to 6 hota statues, SMC, about 10 high casted COC and woa tools that I put in a LMC for kingdom to use and return that I won in an auction and so much more. I tell and beg you not to buy from him. He is a thief and all he sells is not his. He has stolen it. @Mickaell@Echo you still have time to do good. @Enki I would really like it if you came to my deed on Chaos and look at everything that was taken. Sheer Pandemonium is where it was all taken from.

Mickaell-Today at 7:31 PM definately worth it Guy is in the wurm discord bragging about it now. I hope nobody is dumb enough to trade with this player from now on :/ I've never seen a player so toxic before as this.

Not even worth 50c Math.

[11:02:18] Placebo will receive a warning to leave the settlement. 3 minutes later the reputation will take the effect and he will be attacked by the guards.

Sorry Brew but I have to agree. I don't think you realise the full intent of the situation and the amount of lying and backstabbing this player did. He played the long con. That kind of behaviour is just going to kill pvp and if he acts like that on chaos I'm sure the pve community won't want someone who is that toxic around either. I feel bad for the MR guys and everyone on Exodus if he's moved there.

We may give each other a hard time and try and rile each other up but we look after our own. Watching the whole discord get together just proves it.... we are one big disfunctional family.... I'm the adopted one ;]

you had ONE job!

The colours can be changed and the UI update will also include a more expansive combat log, this is just paving the way

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I would crowfund to beat your offer, but he stole everything we had and we cant afford it.

I find this funny because it used to be pvpers entering freedom with that purpose. And here I thought gameplay on wild was steal, kill and destroy by any means ingame. Perhaps wild should be renamed peaceful if there's this much commotion about someone achieving a heist. Do I get that stealing from your own kingdom is a crappy move? Sure. What's worse is being able to run across the border to pve land and not be touched. Or being able to dump it all on an alt thats safe even if your main got banned somehow. Perhaps it's time to close that border down and just allow folks to TP back and forth with 0 inventory.

I am impressed at the amount of support the Chaos community gave us. That was unexpected to say the least. Thank you guys for all the good intentions and your support. It further cements my argument that the Chaos people are a community worthy of envy.

Thank you for being a stand up person for the people victimised by the seller's lack of integrity.

the rules should be changed to prevent internal kingdom theft then, the word 'sandbox' gets thrown around to much, whatever happen to people being decent to each other?

Just a heads up. This person just up and robbed us on our Chaos capital deed. We are still tallying damages and a post will be upcoming. Just wanted to give everyone a heads up to not trust this person. Be careful.

Now that we have underground bridges, I suggest we remove some of the safeties currently in place when mining. For example: [08:46:37] The cave walls sound hollow. A dangerous side shaft could emerge. I'm aware of the danger. Glad to get the warning, but would like to bust through nonetheless knowing I have various options to address the outcome. I suggest we keep the warnings in place, but ultimately allow players to carry on if they so wish.

It would be wonderful to have a container for empty bsb and fsb; they take a lot of space, and even a caravella can contain just few of them. We could craft bsb, store them in the rack and take them when we want instead of having a mess on the floor. What do you think about it :)?

I'm sorry, Angelklaine, but I refuse to allow anyone to force me into the victim's mindset. Were we at fault for being generous to a supposed new/returning player? Ok, that I can accept. But regardless of permissions that allowed Falgorn/Mickaell to help themselves to the hota statues, small magic chest, and somehow kill multiple geared horses and steal their gear, WE did not deserve what happened. The victim of domestic violence is not at fault for their spouse beating the crap out of them, nor are we at fault for trying our hardest to make sure those two players had the gear they needed to survive in chaos. @mickaell, how long did I spend on your first day in pandas on my sme priest, casting up a new set of plate for you and making sure that everything had higher than 80web (minus hands/feet at 70+web)? I'm pretty sure you got a compass that wasn't the starter one, with a high cast on it as well. Oh, and don't forget the 88coc LMS I gave you out of my own inventory so you could train that. Everyone that was online at the time scrambled to make sure you got tools, weapons, armor, equipment necessary to skill up and pvp. So you can "especially lis" all you want, I want nothing to do with you either now, except your corpse and your affinity. Thank you for proving my suspicions correct though. And there you go, folks. Not even hiding his guilt, and obviously proud of himself for screwing over pretty much the only person in the kingdom that didn't want him kicked for being fishy, Evadaly. She's one of the best people I've met in Wurm Online or for that matter any game, and she stuck up for him until the very last day, when she logged in to find her stuff stolen. You're such a great guy, aren't you, Falgorn? Will we recover as a kingdom? I have no doubt, we have people in it that have been tested by the fire of meta-gaming, still going through the flames when trash like Mickaell/Placebo disrupt the fun. They have done nothing but strengthen resolve within kingdom to be more aware of anyone attempting to join our family. I suppose I should thank them for that.

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One of us, one of us, one of us..... I came here to work bulk but liked it so much i joined the kingdom. Deus Vult

that is why i am trying to post everything i know that he took.. so people can look out. the SMC still is locked by me and permissions can not be changed

1s if you chuck in some hota statues with it ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ GIBE HOTA

Currently working on a new version, having to do a rewrite of the code for functionality updates and future features, please be patient while we finish this up then new features will be added.

He is KOS on all my deeds on exodus and have suggested the rest of the alliance adds him to kos, kos does not do much, but at least it will keep him off your deed.

So the combat tab is certainly more colorful, but I was wondering if there is room to adjust the new color code system so its easier to view? Rather than having multiple colors on the same line, can we just have different colors for each line? Someone hits me, that line can be all red, I hit someone, all green, my buddy hits someone, make that one blue. My enemy hits my buddy, make that one yellow. You get the idea? What is everyone's thoughts on this new system? Easy to read, hard to read, maybe just takes getting used to?

if your cousin, aunt, uncle, sister comes over, do you allow them to use your cooking utensils, your restroom and similar? tahts what wurm is, you're not leaving out drake sets and rares, but every day coc tools, hota statues you use for food and those. you include them into your chaos "family" because only if you can trust them with this kind of stuff can you trust them to have your back in pvp. your comparison to strangers is quite far off.

Taking things you have permissions for is allowed and isn't exploiting mechanics. It's a shitty thing to do that i don't condone, but Mickaell/echo had permissions set to allow them to take stuff due to being part of the kingdom. Even on freedom you're allowed to steal anything not bolted down as long as you don't have permissions/locks telling you no you can't.

You broke the quotes there. And its silly that you have to join PvP to get a statue. I get it that to you guys is either some monetary gain, or the illusion that people might go to Chaos to get a statue and end up joining PvP and weee!! PvP is saved!! but sorry, no. Thats silly.

Don't post auctions in Don't post auctions in WTS - that just pisses off the mods.

Legios, I both agree and disagree. Kind people, honourable people will remain as such, even in a game, regardless of game. People who aren't all too nice, whether just showing glimpses of it, afraid of retribution, or is it downright visiable, will be that or even worse in a game. But no person who is decent, will stop being so just because of a screen. I don't PvP, but inside jobs, I'd never class as OK. Unfortunately, this comes down to a lesson learnt. To you who were robbed: You have my deepest sympathy, I will personally have nothing to do with people of this low behaviour - but don't lose your faith in mankind. There are good and decent people around as well. Thankfully, most people aren't this dishonourable. It is just those who are that become louder, or causes people to raise their voices, that are shown more. But most people aren't this bad. *hugs everyone* My heartfelt best! I wish I could return your stuff at you, but all I can do, and will do, is to have nothing to do with them. Warmest regards, Gilwen Aistrinas

-1 for grass/dirt/things that NEED SUN for survival (including most 'shrooms...heheheh), +1 eventually for moss, 'shrooms, mycelium. Solve the animal thing by having FINALLY a damn trough the animals would eat from, so not even more a problem for animal to pack grass so easily.

Thank you.

Hang on, isn't this a pvp server and therefore his actions 'fine'? Sure its a ###### move, but I thought this stuff was to be expected.

To add to what Eva said, he killed a lot of our horses to get the gear off and looted the chests of other members who live in unsecured areas (Public motel). The damage to the kingdom was not purely monetary, but he killed our horses, severely limiting our ability to move. We are still tallying what all he stole, and I am sure much more will be revealed. We brought this upon ourselves by trying to do good for a returning player. As soon as he joined, everyone rushed to his help and support. We set him up with gear, I gave him a free boat and we set him up with everything he could possibly could. This is how he repayed us. Beware this person. He is a thief and a liar. Do not let this person into your confidence.