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Horse at Y7 is now Horsedog, I had to go with the original name for it. Thank you

Once again, it's not WU messing up player retention, it's the players themselves. One can't drive in a straight line, the other one can't stand newbies surviving for too long, so bugger everyone else. Yeeeeeh WU is definitely what's driving players away.

From the dirt to the decorations, re-building a town that I started in with all of the people on this build, has been an absolutely amazing opportunity. Speaking for myself and everyone else I'm sure, this project was awesome! We had great times and late nights, but every one was worth it. The tireless nights are over, the memories made and to last for all of our time here, the fear of the secret forever banished below, the project complete. Speaking for everyone, we couldn't be more proud to present... The new Esteron!

Was just chatting with a friend who's on freedom who pointed out that "the white hatchling has been found" and we both laughed and quipped, "oh the most useless unique in the game" and it occurred to me that....well why the **** are the uniques drops still so broken and unbalanced. For those who don't know what i'm talking about let me lay it out for you, these are the uniques that exist in Wurmonline (drops based on freedom cluster sorry Epic i don't know enough about yours) The non-dragon uniques each can drop a decent potion that has a use, Mining, Leatherworking, Stonecutting and Woodcutting, a rare/supreme/fantastic bone and a 50% chance to drop a sorcery item with 3 charges. The 5 Hatchlings - Each gives a pathetic....shall we say average of about 0.6kg total of drake hide to the crew slaying it, shared with everyone in local. If you could get everyone to pool it together you would need about 5 hatchling slayings to make ONE goddamn drake set. Note these are weaker and less valuable than scale sets. A rare/supreme/fantastic bone and a 5(?)% chance to drop a sorcery item, which i've never seen happen. Two of them drop potions that are essentially useless, only affecting people who have a sorcery weakness to their effect. As well as having duplicate (read lazy) potions to the adults. Red - Weaponsmithing potion (broken and only works on weaponsmithing subskills btw) - Same as dragon Blue - Fletching potion - Same as dragon Green - Acid potion - Worthless Black - Armorsmithing Potion - Same as dragon White - Frost Salve - Worthless The 5 Dragons - I've seen give between 3kg and 10kg of scale (about 6 needed for a set), meaning you could make a whole scale set, which is worth far more than a drake set, from one kill. A rare/supreme/fantastic bone and 5(?)% chance to drop a sorcery item, which i've never seen happen. Red - Weaponsmithing Potion - same as hatchling Blue - Fletching Potion - same as hatchling Green - Tailoring Potion Black - Armorsmithing Potion - same as hatchling White - Blacksmithing Potion So to sum up, the potions from the dragons are lazily done, with 2 being considered useless by the community almost unanimously and others duplicating the adult/hatchling drop. Dragons never drop sorcery items at all while non-dragons drop them quite regularly. White and Green hatchlings are basically "well at least someone gets a bone i guess?". While hundreds show up for a goblin leaders immensely valuable drops. What i would like to see is some of the, already existing, other potions considered to replace the duplicates and frost/acid potions for more variety and at least consider a slightly better chance for sorcery items ( this one i can live with not changing tbh). Finally for the love of christ increase the drops for hatchlings hide and sort out the RNG with adult dragons which occasionally gives you enough for basically 2 sets and other times not enough for 1. All in all these are simple changes, everything i'm suggesting exists in code.

It was kinda a joke and I admit a bad one. I was a bit tipsy when I posted it lol. I do feel if a CA or Chat Mod is spending their time on WU they are not performing their duties in WO and IMO should be looked into but not my call or my place just my opinion. It was kind of an attack back at all the WO players that attack WU players on here. At any rate I apologize this was poor form. Feel free to lock this, delete this, even warn my forum account (ill take it in stride for this).

Hello! Just wanted to give everyone a heads up that things are changing for Esteron! If you happen to spawn or pass through, you'll notice its pretty empty and in the process of being built! After some fun with Enki (watching him blow things up, create lava to burn things and instantly terraform huge areas of land) we were finally set loose to get to work and build! Here's a couple screenshots of Enki's prep work for us! http://imgur.com/a/s9rk8 It was late in the evening when we were finally set to start working but several of us stayed up pretty darn late getting a start on everything with tons of great help to get started by Polojordan, Mykoal, Savronne, Dudeitsdamsel, Kunibert, Bunnii, Airisporo, Vocals, Beastwolf, Araninco and myself. Come by and say hi if you are in the area!

Wanting to sell a fantastic long bow! Blank bow with crap QL, but hey! its fantastic! Im looking to get around 2-4g worth for the item, accepting dragon/drake armours, silvers etc! Be creative, just dont get trolling, trolls smells bad and are disliked No paypal offers!! Why ? i have trust issues Mostly wanting lots of silvers but accepting various offers! http://imgur.com/hcgmoG2

Obligatory post about complaining about getting free stuff.

Does all this mean I should go to Epic and grind some of my skills which are very low in Freedom?

Here is me..and Flunky..and Bellamin..and Toxie..and many times Jeppex...and...wait..who else do I have access too....

To be fair it kinda is, Epic are denied 100 titles because of 'ruining the secrets' yet Freedom got more tomes in one week when first implemented than Epic did in years but it was perfectly ok to ruin the secrets, and even with the crappy drop rate they still get more tomes and discover secrets about title combos. So if we want to balance and make things fair why stop there.

Your whole post was on point. I work with and teach mostly adult students and while a lot of them do have a little computer-phobia at first (or learning phobia), plenty of them are returning to school to finish degrees started years earlier and take to online learning and research like fish to water. Because they think they can, at 50, 60, whatever. Brains are awesome things, and don't fall off once you hit 40, unless you stop using them!

Here is me and my gift for being salesman of the year 2015! Who needs some wheels? http://imgur.com/a/rJCZh

That's me, hi. (Joelle)

Back when I was merely old, we had to carve our character sheets out of stone slabs! Wurm's community is one of the better ones around, and you never know who you're going to run into.

This post reminds me of one of my first lectures of uni earlier this year. One of our lecturers on quantum physics must be in his mid to late 60s, and a room of around 200 people all gasped when he casually pulled up a program he wrote to demonstrate something graphically (at far beyond the level almost everyone in room had ever done before. There was lots of code and many complicated things going on and he was all "yeah I wrote this last night.") In 2nd semester he taught us our first programming module. Ageism :') It makes me wonder how much of older people generally being bad at technology is actually to do with age making you less able to learn things, and how much of it is just people being unconfident/unwilling to learn new things even when they're perfectly capable of it.

i love all the people supporting this now that its too late to have much of an effect at all kek its exactly what i predicted in the said thread.

Hi http://forum.wurmonline.com/index.php?/topic/124341-remove-gender-specific-spells-or-add-option-to-pick/

For the youngsters who are surprised at us older folk playing online games, we were playing Dungeons and Dragons when you had to use paper, pencil, and dice. We were gamers before gaming went online

You kids are so funny - who do you think has the time and money to sit and play Wurm on 3 - 4 premium characters all day and half the night every day?? If we don't work for Code Club, we must be retired, eh? We invented video gaming - whatever makes you think we'd ever stop playing?? Or stop being very damned good at it?? Yes, that's my real picture, yet I count 7 grandchildren - 4 biological, and 3 adopted. All but the youngest 2 (3 and almost 5) are also avid gamers, the oldest 2 started playing Wurm with me but it proved too slow paced for them. I know far more 'over 60' players here than will admit publically - why? Because you young ones relate better to us if you feel we are your peers. This has long been a source of great amusement to me. Remember: the family that games together, stays together! Zach, I'd give props to anyone in their 70's who had never touched a computer and could then play this game well .. but keep in mind most of us have played on and built our own computers and networks from the 300 baud days .. we've never not had the latest technology in our hands, so why would it be impressive that we can actually use it?? *laughing* Honestly, if it weren't for the community here, Wurm is getting too slow and boring for me - I've stopped saying NO to my friends (of all ages) trying to get me back into faster paced or new MMOs and started saying 'probably soon'. That's how I got into Wurm, I was asked by a game director developer of another large MMO to check out Wurm with him and give feedback. I'm still laughing that he wouldn't install Java on his laptop, so never played Wurm and here I still am. Love you all - don't care what your age is - in Wurm as in any fantasy MMO - we are all whomever and whatever we want to be. <3

Well you would spend silver to gamble, but 1 I sell silver, 2 its better to be safe than sorry with anything dealing with luck. He is running it through all the ringers but so far he said first glance I would probably want to give a "free" use once every 24 hours.

The new Esteron looks amazing and is a wonderful asset to the area now! I was so glad to be able to take part in this project and see it come together literally before our eyes in just a matter of days. It's probably the most fun I've had in Wurm since I've started playing (except for maybe my first Rift experience on Pristine the other day ). Thanks to all the team members who helped out as well as a few friends and locals who joined in as well! It was definitely a real community event.

[19:25:48] Puertorro slain by Wsrich Ciray [19:51:28] Puertorro slain by Yagyujr [19:58:42] Lathe slain by Puertorro [02:16:15] Blackdeathdragon slain by Wsrich Necroedarkslayer [03:44:00] Malevolence slain by Wsrich Necroedarkslayer Twillight Yagyujr Riddic [04:34:09] Kgorski slain by Wsrich Necroedarkslayer Yagyujr [04:34:47] Yagyujr slain by Blackdeathdragon Zaffasurf Malevolence [04:41:24] Blackdeathdragon slain by Wsrich Necroedarkslayer Twillight Riddic [04:41:53] Kgorski slain by Wsrich Necroedarkslayer Riddic Why not get in on a little bit of fun on Chaos? Needing crafters and PvPers alike, throw in an app.

What if they are deeded ?

This isn't about the nature of players and how the organise slayings, it's about basic balance. However you view the way it's distributed and how players organise that, you cannot deny that this system is unbalanced and flawed. Did you even read what i said? you get more scale than drake atm from kills and hatchlings that drop useless potions. That's not the fault of player organised slayings that is an imbalance in the loot that the devs should fix.

-1 I'm all for more loot, but the problem is if there's more loot, or more scale, or drake hide whatever... it will further entice the same 10 people that find, pen and kill the uniques to host private fights all the time. Every non-dragon, non drake unique on Freedom has private loot.... but feel free to show up for your usless acid potion and .02 kg of drake and maybe you'll have a drake set someday if you attend 200 of these seemingly pointless events. If it's a dragon or drake, of course it will be a public slaying, because the only thing to gain is a skull or a bone, which these folks already have a full collection of. (Not to sound degrading or to label the "Secret Service" as I call them as greedy, but it bears relevance to this proposal).

Only Australians will appreciate just how trash i really am

I'll scale it down and make two versions.

+1 to some way of being able to remove collosi. Colossi. Collsususes. Big honking leftover statues.

what about Obelisks they stop you even being able to deed .one is 18 months old and abandoned and it's stupid you cannot kill it

#classybitch

Started playing in July 2009 when I was 38, will be 46 this month.

It wasn't forgotten about as much as the blunder I made before (see Steam hub) resulted in this not being patched. 1.0.0.7 going live will see this resolved, which will happen later this week.

Youngest player in our alliance is 8 and eldest (who will admit to their age) is about 65. Although, I am still unsure about Robby, since he says he is "old" and definitely is grumpy... (when he is not ninja sending cakes in the mail).

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Trying to recall how old Ol'Winter was... Though doubt he topped 80.

Wow, I suddenly feel young! What a great thread!

Unlikely. [14:15:13] You have been premium a total of 41 months until Dec 2013.[14:15:13] You have been premium a total of 26 since Dec 2013. I got a rare sub 50ql knapsack. Feels a bit underwhelming for 67 months (Almost 6 years) of prem seeing as Aaron's knapsack beats mine like a redheaded stepchild for his 27 months of premium.

Hi all, I am a returning player, and I started a deed to help newbs learn the game. Since I do not always time to play, the deed is not a school, but more of a playground with tools and resources available to all players to use and explore on their own. In fact, deed does not accept citizens, but allows pickup and a bunch of other activities. Current resources are: - Mine with Iron Vein, Forge and Large Anvil. - Oven for cooking food - Templar + tower guards for protection - Vynora Altar (in the mine), for skilling bonus and sacrifices The deed is located a bit South of Sloping Sands (the starting point), on the southwest side of the hill with the Market and ''Kingdom of Lindarian'' deed. If you head directly south from Sloping Sands (past Artdin's shed), turn right (West) after you see the guard tower. If you walk past the market, follow the wide highway to a well named ''Troll Yellow Water'', and follow the road south. Detailed info and rules are on the wiki page: http://www.wurmpedia.com/index.php/Settlement:Holmgard The deed is underdevelopment. My current plans are to add: - Safe house - Training dummy - Beds - Floor Loom - Rope tool - Above-ground altar Suggestions for other things are welcome. I do not want to accept donations b/c I like to make things myself, but it will be a while before I can build an underground house, and I do not see any other way to keep the Large Anvil from getting stolen.

Wow, kind ofblown away by these older folks playing pc games, keeps their minds sharp i would guess, im the wrong side of 45, and ive been playing flat stick since feb, before that i was playing anno 2205

Waow, make him come back!

We had an alliance member (we are dearly missing her, she left for WU); at the time she started playing she was a little over 70, so now would be over 71 I'm sure there might be older players as well, the other "old" player in our ally is 65.

I wish beating a dead horse hard enough would bring it alive again, but the proof is in the pudding. Wurm has not kept a stable population in a while. Between abnormally long balance fixes and far and few between updates ( Soon ) the population has found better games. What sucked me into Wurm was how it sucked you in by making the world feel so alive. Walking down a main road out of spawn and seeing peoples homesteads/hearing people smithing and building gave me a feeling so unique to this game. It was awesome on Serenity, with a feeling of community and the low-scale pvp, either defending from baddies or pestering Davidlewisbell till he left again, it made the game feel so alive. Wurm isn't worth a sub to me unless there's 80+ people playing on a serenity sized map. with the MAYBE 15 people on serenity now it feels so lonely and pointless. Being a merchant in wurm was SOOOOOOOOOO cool, but without 80+ people theres no place for merchants and traders, or very many skilled tradespeople. I really wish people didn't go quite so ham on pvp in this game, pvp was fun enough so that you could solve dispute with the metal in your weapon-stand, and maybe a territorial battle here and there, but the huge kingdom fights, and in particular the toxic community around pvp turned me off of it. the pvp system just wasn't there for those scale fights. ( HIGHER DIRTWALLS, NO, HIIIIIGGHHHEERRR.) Call me a carebear but I enjoyed the homeservers immensely. People need to put aside their petty server-quibbles and merge, truthfully, that's the only way to keep it remotely populated. I know people are attached but.. being attached to something dead isn't very fun or entertaining ( what a game is, to me.) One PvP server, one PvE server, or just one server. The gamebase is too spread out... but people are attached and it will NEVER happen, which is sad... checking in on the forums now and again and watching what was once a flourishing game, with servers that felt alive, dwindle into this retirement home with a dwindling population of people moving on. Even if you wiped the skills and maps people will still quit, some put time into grinding that rivaled their jobs. and the possibility of losing subs to Rolf is too much to bear, even if there's a chance to bring people back. Sorry for not contributing to the discussion much, but it's really sad seeing this game dwindle down.

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